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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Donegal => Topic started by: caruby69 on Monday 01 October 12 03:36 BST (UK)
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Hello,
This is my very first post here but I am desperately trying to go further back in my family tree.
I am a great grandson of:
a farmer named Alexander Love (b.1872, Killimard) and his wife Margaret McBride (her family tree encompasses Maxwells and at least one McCann) They married around 1903, settled in Ballyshannon area.
Their children included Lillian, Robert (Bob), Bertha, Edith, Kathleen, William, Alexander (Alec), Emily and others.
I seek as much information in particular about Alexander's Parents, also Killimard based. They are John Love (born 1828) and Anne Richey (born 1836).
They married 26/09/1854 in Killimard, I believe. Both their fathers were named William; William Love and William Richey. I don't seem to be able to find anything further back than this, so I am hoping someone reading this may be able to fill in some blanks.
Any details about their lives or more names on the family tree are very welcome!
Thanks in advance,
Cary
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Have you checked out these census abstracts?
http://www.ulsterancestry.com/ShowFreePage.php?id=116
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www.familysearch.org lists several children of John Love & Anne Ritchie/Richey:
- Ellen born 14 July 1869 Donegal registration district (page 28 in civil register)
- Margaret born 17 Aug.1874 Co.Donegal
- Andrew born 15 Oct.1876 Co.Donegal
- Mary born 27 Apr.1879 Munacally, Co.Donegal
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Huge thanks to you both, Gaffy and Aghadowey! ;D
A reply to each of you is below. If you have any tips on getting to the earlier generations details then please do let me know.
Gaffy:
Thanks for linking to the census abstracts ... Identifying which of the William Love's is John's father and Alexander Love's grandfather is proving tricky! There were a few Williams as fathers of Johns, and as the geographic area is very small, I am taking villages other than Meenacally into account. I am wondering if these Loves were basically cousins etc.
Later today I am going to write them all out on separate sheets of paper and try to do a timeline to see if anything leaps out. It would be great to home in on William's father and mother if possible, as it would be going back that extra generation (or even two) as a result.
Aghadowey:
My goodness ... that is wonderful ... thanks so much for your help as it has filled in some question marks and gives a greater idea of Alexander's childhood ... It seems he was the second born (1872). Is it likely that the spellings Richey and Ritchie were variations belonging to that same family? I was filtering out the Ritchies thinking they must be different, but this suggests otherwise.
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Hi Caruby and welcome
If John Love and Anne Ritchie married in 1854 I would imagine that they had some children between then and Ellen b 1869.
The thing is that civil registration only began in 1864 so you would need to look at church records to see if any children were born to them in the interim.
I did see an Anne Love b 1881 Donegal to this couple on the free index on ifhf.
I did see a marriage between a John Love and an Anne Richie in 1854 but no children between then and Ellen b 1869 ???
Are you 100% that the 1854 marriage is the correct one and not just a concidence - noticed that they didn't name any of their children William, which is unusual ( but does happen too !)
Tara
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This looks like Anne Ritchie Love and 2 of her children in 1901
love family 1901 irish census (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Donegal/Donegal/Meenacally/1167458/)
Tara
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John Love obviously lived in Meenacally and you have said that his father was William Love
The 1825 Tithe Applotments show a William Love in Meenacally
william love tithe applotments (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal/killymardtab.htm)
John Love is showing on the Griffiths Valuation of 1857 in Meenacally and there is a William Love there too !
john and william love gv (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal/killymardgv.htm)
Tara
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Was Edrim Glebe ever mentioned as a location for the Richie family ?
Tara
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If John Love and Anne Ritchie married in 1854 I would imagine that they had some children between then and Ellen b 1869.
The thing is that civil registration only began in 1864 so you would need to look at church records to see if any children were born to them in the interim.
I did see an Anne Love b 1881 Donegal to this couple on the free index on ifhf.
I did see a marriage between a John Love and an Anne Richie in 1854 but no children between then and Ellen b 1869
Are you 100% that the 1854 marriage is the correct one and not just a concidence - noticed that they didn't name any of their children William, which is unusual ( but does happen too !)
Many Church of Ireland registers do not survive before 1870s/1880s which could account for gaps from 1854 until the 1881 baptism.
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Hi Aghadowey,
Of course you are correct re missing / unsurviving records..............I just didn't want Cary working on what MIGHT be an incorrect presumption that Alexander was the second born !
Tara
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I would certainly suspect that there were quite a few more children born before 1864 but was pointing out that checking church records might prove impossible.
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Hello Tara and AGHadowey,
If you read nothing else, please read the last paragraph as I want you to know your help really has made a difference.
I have just gained confirmation from my elderly grandmother that Alexander was unable to gain papers relating to his birth because they were destroyed in a fire, so that is in line with what you both stated. I'm not too worried about that though as John's father is named on his marriage registration - as William. Of course with a few Williams in the area, that is where it gets vague and as I am only adding entries to the family tree once I feel 99% certain about them, the trail has gone a bit cold. :-\
That said, the fact that John and William appear on the Griffiths Valuation (1857) is really quite convincing that they were living near each other in Meenacally, and certainly the area is ringing bells with my grandmother even though she never actually visited there due to a family rift which began before she was even born.
The 1837 Tithe Applotment Book's reference to both William and a Robert living in Meenacally (North and South) is interesting because it raises the question of who Robert is in relation to William. I would be thrilled if this was William's father and thus another generation back, but who knows? I will have to keep searching for clues ... Another bit of possible confirmation is that William's grandson Alexander named one of his sons Robert alongside a William, Alexander Jr., alongside a Tom / Thomas and if I recall correctly a John also. The same names seem to repeat across the generations.
Tara, in response to your question about no William being listed among the early children of John Love and Anne Richey/Ritchie, this does seem to parallel my grandmother's recall too. She doesn't recall any Uncle William being mentioned, but Uncles Andy and George plus an Aunt Anne were mentioned. So it could just be that they really did omit the name William for a generation.
Edrim Glebe I will ask about ... it does come up here and there with the names doesn't it!
The main thing though is to thank you both for your helpfulness ... and Tara you really did locate some gems there! You have both helped so much and I am truly grateful. It is wonderful that I can fill in blanks for my grandmother ... and finally I can show my elderly England-based grandmother where her grandfather appears to have farmed and lived in Meenacally - especially since it can be seen on Google Streetview. Amazing that technology can make that possible as it would have been unthinkable to her at her present 90+ years of age! That will mean so much to her and her single remaining sister.
So a big THANK YOU. You have helped some wonderful ripples to move through our family :)
Cary
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Hi cary.
Am more than happy to have been able to help a bit.
Tara
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Cary:
I know your original post is several years old but I just came across it and am going to take a shot anyway. Hopefully you are still researching the Love/Richey families.
Ann Richey B:1836 is my 3rd great aunt who lived in Edrim Glebe Donegal. Her father was William (my 3rd Great Grandfather) B: 1783 and died on 22 October 1868 at the ripe age of 86. He passed in Edrim Glebe where it seems he lived his entire life. I have come across that he was married to a woman named Elizabeth B: @ 1802, no other information has been found regarding her. When William died his son Francis was present at his death. William is found in Irelands Griffiths Valuation of 1847-1864 in which he leased his land from Reverend William Hughs in the parish of Killymard Downland of Edrim Glebe. William and Elizabeth had had seven children;
Bell: B@1821 supposedly records show she immigrated to the USA but no other info found
George: B@ 1823
Catherine: B@ 1825
Thomas: B@1833
Anne: B@1836
Elizabeth: B@1839-1923 ( Married Alexander Brown)
Francis:@1843-1934
Ann did marry John Love when she was 18 years old and he was 26. They were married in Killymard Parish Church which was witnessed by a Andrew Williamson and John Scott. Both Ann and John's fathers were named William and all three were listed as farmers.
Ann and John had 6 children that are at least recorded and whose records survived (i have not been able to look at the Parish Register for any others)
Ellen: 14 July 1869
Alexander: 1872-1959
Margaret: 17 August 1874-
Andrew: 15 October 1876-1953
Mary: 27n April 1879-
Anne Jane: 1881-
Ann Richey died at the age of 72 on 6 April 1908.
In researching the Richey family I have found many different spellings, Richey, Ritchey, Ritchie etc...makes it more difficult but I have come to believe that some were unable to read and write therefore it was spelt phonetically.
If you were able to find any other information I would greatly appreciate you sharing it with me, that is if you ever get this message. A shot in the dark but isn't that what genealogy is!
Thanks and hopefully you get this.
Jean Branigan
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Hello Cary,
I am hoping I'm replying to the right chat/string. I noticed there was some information listing Margaret Love - born 17 August 1874. Margaret is/was my great grandmother. I couldn't determine all the information and/or confusion over the history. I'm not sure all the rest of the information but I do have a copy of Margaret's birth certificate listing John Love and Ann Love (formerly) Richey. Hopefully you can tell me more about the rest of Margaret's siblings, her ancestors, and perhaps her descendants. My grandmother Margaret's daughter visited Donegal Killymard parish and found some information about the members of the family that stayed in Ireland. And something about John Love (not sure if that was Margaret’s father or brother) selling the farm property to postmaster. My grandmother’s notes are somewhat cryptic and she is no longer with us. My mother is 88 and having memory issues. So I’m hoping to pick up the trail of my Irish roots. Any help in that will be greatly appreciated.
Gary Williams
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Welcome to RootsChat, GaryW :)
Unfortunately caruby69 hasn't been back since 2012 but hopefully if his email hasn't changed he will get a notification of your post.
Eddrim Glebe has been mentioned in this thread, so for your information it's in Killymard Civil parish and halfway between Donegal town and Mountcharles.
https://www.townlands.ie/donegal/banagh/killymard/donegal/eddrim-glebe/
KG
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KG,
Thanks for letting me know about Cary. I couldn’t tell how long ago the thread was but figured it worth a try. Maybe he’ll yet respond.
Again thanks,
Gary
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KG,
Thanks for letting me know about Cary. I couldn’t tell how long ago the thread was but figured it worth a try. Maybe he’ll yet respond.
Again thanks,
Gary
Have you used the Irishgenealogy BMD search website? Use Donegal as the Civil Registration district.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
KG
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KG,
I haven’t looked at Irishgenealogy. I’ve really just dipped my toe in looking into my genealogy. But with your assistance I’m going to take a deeper dive into these things. Thank you for your advice! I’m be sure to take a look. Thanks again!
Ever yours,
Gary
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Are you still out there, I have some information on the Loves and Ritchies.