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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Hampshire & Isle of Wight => Topic started by: Chainsaw on Saturday 29 September 12 20:06 BST (UK)
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Researching the Ayling family, I have one William Ayling, 1766-1855, Hampshire, wife Anne Faulkner. Can anyone expand upon this, Please ?
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What information are you looking for,census,BMDs?
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Chainsaw,
I think a bit more detail might help - what particular area of Hampshire, please? I see that William & Ann married in Sussex, so what is the link with Hampshire?
And can you tell us what you already know. It helps to avoid someone duplicating what you already know.
Nell
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I was not specific in my request, simply because I seek all and any info on this couple. Parents, exact birth dates, marriage dates, anything would help.
I mentioned Hampshire because that is where he is thought to have been born, I have no more detail than that.
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But the marriage - which you must have found, otherwise how did you know Ann's name - is already on the IGI. It took place in Felpham in West Sussex:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N22Z-N8V
Both were resident in Felpham at the time.
I don't see any baptisms of children to this couple in Felpham, but a more detailed look in Sussex may be worthwhile.
I don't see any deaths in Hampshire in 1855 which I can say for certain are William. There is one in Farnborough - but that RD covers an area straddling the borders of Hampshire Surrey and Sussex. There is another in the Westhampnett RD which covers Felpham - presumably this is your William.
Still nothing to indicate a link to Hampshire :-\ Any idea why this is where he was thought to have been born?
Nell
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No Nell, I had not found the marriage. I was given the information by someone online, that is why I said it was 'Thought' to be so, it has not been verified.
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So, I now have the marriage date and place, thanks for your help, unfortunately, it does not show either of their birth dates, ages, not their parent's names.
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Familysearch has 2 WILLIAM/ANN-E Ayling Couples Christening Children post 1790.
EG;
SARAH Ayling 27 March 1791, Warbliington, Hampshire, to WM/ANN
WILLIAM Ayling, 27 November 1791, Eastergate, Sussex to WILLIAM/ANNE
So looks like different Couples to me.
Several Children were Christened Aldingbourne, Sussex to a William/Ann;
HARRIOT 06 August 1793 (may have died)
EDMUND 20 October 1794
HARRIOTT 20 October 1794
CHARLES 25 December 1795
ISAACK 02 April 1797
CHARLOTTE 02 November 1798
Who is you confirmed Ancestor that you are working back from?
Trish :)
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If William died 1855 he should appear on the 1841/1851 Census.
There is one on the 1841, down as age 80, c 1761 in West Bourne, Sussex.
If you look at the image it looks to me that he is age 20, not 80
HO107/1104/2/West Bourne
If you are descended from Issac which a Tree I have seem as the info you posted on it?
Issac is in Broadwater 1851 Census.
I am going to "throw a spanner in the works here"
Marriage;
24 January 1821, St Mary, Broadwater, Sussex
William AYLING, Widower
Rhoda PAGE
(Source FreeREG)
1851 Census has a William Ayling born c 1769, Greatham, Sussex, with a younger Wife Rhoda born c 1785, Billinghurst
HO107/1651/118/16
May be him or not!
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Thanks Trish,
The line I'm following goes like this;-
James Ayling, born 1842, Broadwater, Died 1914, Worthing. Wife Mary, born 1849, Storrington, died 1935, Worthing.
His Father, Isaac Ayling, born 1797 Aldingbourne, died 1881, Worthing. Wife Frances, born 1786, Broadwater, died 1880, Sussex.
His Father, William, born 1766, Alverstoke, died 1855, Worthing. Wife 1st Anne, born 1768, Aldingbourne, died 1816, Broadwater. Wife 2nd, Rhoda, born 1785, Billingshurst.
It would not be a surprise in William's 2nd marriage, he would no doubt have been glad of the help raising 6 young children.
I think that the William listed at West Bourne in the census is a different person.
I have also seen Isaac's father shown to be a James, but I don't think this is the right one as all the children you show for William and Anne fit perfectly with family knowledge. It was the suggestion of that James that caused me to double check this family line, but so far you have confirmed my data. So now I seek the next generation back.
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Trouble is that William with Wife Rhoda is not born Hampshire.
Or am I missing something?
A Katherine Ayling was a Witness to the Marriage of Issac and Frances Bacon 22 Nov 1819, Broadwater.
Also a Isaac Ayling was Christened 02 April 1797, Aldingbourne to EDM/ANNE
Has there been a mistake on Records?
Or are Edmund/William Brothers who christened Sons same day?
Also a Edmund AYLING married Catherine PARSONS 29 July 1816
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Ha Ha, there was no shortage of Isaac Aylings, I have 5 on file, vis;-
!. Father of William Ayling who wed Mary Anne Collins on 2 July 1848, Alton.
2. Son of William Ayling and Anne Faulkner, who wed Frances Parsons* on 22 Nov 1819 at Broadwater. They had a son Isaac (3)
3. Isaac Ayling 1822 Broadwater - 1908. Wed Mary Anne Cobby on 1 June 1845, Broadwater. She also wed Edward Knight.
4. Isaac Ayling 1805, Alton wed Mary Tuesley on 28 Jan 1824 at Alton. He was son of James Ayling and Mary Isaacs.
5. Isaac Ayling 1834, Alton, son of James Ayling and Sarah Smith.
Edmund Ayling 1794 Aldingbourne - 1876 East Preston, wed Catherine Parsons* 29 July 1816, Broadwater. He the son of William Ayling and Anne Faulkner, She the daughter of Richard Parsons* and wife Frances.
*** Richard Parsons and wife Frances were the parents of Frances Parsons and Catherine Parsons.
The Katherine Ayling you quote was probably nee Catherine Parsons, but I have no idea at present who was the Isaac Ayling wed to Francis Bacon on 22 Nov 1816 Broadwater.
THE PLOT THICKENS !!!
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OOPS I put the wrong name :-[
22 Nov 1819 Isaac to Frances PARSONS, not Bacon
Katherine Ayling a Witness
A Catherine AYLING Married a James BAKER, 17 Oct 1830, Broadwater
A James Ayling was a Witness
Gosh I dont envy you your task!
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It's not easy, Trish. I learned the hard way not to trust 3rd party transcripts, now my main source is fiche of the original Parish Registers that I buy as and when seems appropriate. Trouble is that some of the original documents are in poor condition, I'd love to put them under an ultra-violet lamp so I can better read them, but permission would never be granted.
I'm assuming that Catherine Ayling, nee Parsons, first husband, Edmund Ayling died before 1830, and that her 2nd marriage was to James Baker, that does sound reasonable.
If I could scan the fiche into the computer it might be possible to reconstruct some of the degraded data digitally, I'll have to ask my son, he's the computer expert.
Meanwhile, if anybody has further info to offer I'd be most grateful, Thanks.
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Yes I agree that that is possible that she Married twice.
Hopefully your Son can come up with a solution to your Fiche problem
Trish :)
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I realise that if we accept that Catherine was twice married, then what of the death of Edmund Ayling recorded in 1876 at East Preston ?, and how did he come to be there ?
Was there a divorce ? and this also calls into question the father of Eliza Ayling in 1833, although she is listed as an Ayling.
Nothing is ever simple !
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I have also seen Isaac's father shown to be a James, but I don't think this is the right one as all the children you show for William and Anne fit perfectly with family knowledge.
Um, I thought you said you had no information about William at all!
So, I now have the marriage date and place, thanks for your help, unfortunately, it does not show either of their birth dates, ages, not their parent's names.
I'm afraid you will be whistling in the wind for those details ;) Before the introduction of civil registration in England and Wales on 1 July 1837, no ages were shown, no fathers' names were shown (you don't get the mother's name ever!) or birth dates. If they were, tracing one's ancestry would be considerably easier!
Ages at death are only as reliable as the person providing that information. Always treat with caution. If William was married to Rhoda as his second wife (she died in 1852), then the 1851 census really should be investigated and appropriate note taken. He seems to be saying in both 1841 and 1851 that he was born in Sussex. :-\
Also a Isaac Ayling was Christened 02 April 1797, Aldingbourne to EDM/ANNE
I have found the parents listed as John and Ann. :-\
I'm assuming that Catherine Ayling, nee Parsons, first husband, Edmund Ayling died before 1830, and that her 2nd marriage was to James Baker, that does sound reasonable.
Katherine not showing as a widow when she married James Baker :-\ Above not proven yet. Can't find a burial for Edmund Ayling of an appropriate age.
Eliza Ayling in 1833 - where does she fit in, please. I'm obviously missing something :(
Nell
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At that tine, Nell, I did not, but strangely enough this is not the only source of my information. Other data arrived after my post in question. That included one Eliza Ayling, but as I said, I do have my doubts about her.
In spite of some hostility shown from some quarters, I am making a little progress. I have been researching family history for many years, and am not quite the novice I was.
I thank all those who have been helpful and given encouragement.
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It says "Wm" for William, father of Isaac, in the original records. Some have transcribed it as John or Edmund in error. If you look at the entries below Isaac the clerk is repeatedly using "Wm" for William. Also a very faint entry for an Elizabeth in 1798.
Chainsaw: how did you come up with father to William from Alton, Hampshire?
Chris Ayling
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Hi Chris,
Chainsaw hasn't been online since 2012, but hopefully will see or receive notification of your reply.
Nell
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Maybe he still gets an e-mail "head's up" as I did to this post. Nothwithstanding I guess this post is more of a reference for others (like me) who come across these posts in years to come :)
Looks like William (father to Isaac) was from Greatham according to 1851 census for Broadwater, Worthing in Sussex. I believe someone else posted this link indepdendent of me previously on Rootsweb. I can't recall the post but think it was here.
A check of the one set of parish records currently accessible via familysearch.org shows no baptism for him in/around that time in Greatham. So born but not baptized there, or born elsewhere and that was the birthplace he recalled. Or transcription error in the census, but it does look like "Greatham." Nothing nearby with similar name.
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See my tree "John Ayling (B. abt 1540) of Petersfield Hampshire & descendants Family Tree" on ancestry.com (or message me for the .GED) for this entire family line. William likely born in Felpham (not Greatham: this was probably a census taker transcription or recording error in the 1851 census) to Thomas Ayling (1734-1794) and Elizabeth Greenwood. Thomas probably originally for nearby South Bersted. His father was likely John Ayling, born 1712 in South Bersted. John's father was Richard Ayling. He was born somewhere around 1680 and I suspect he came from Felpham.
Aldingbourne: https://www.ancestry.com/boards/surnames.ayling/359/mb.ashx
South Bersted: https://www.ancestry.com/boards/surnames.ayling/398/mb.ashx
Felpham: https://www.ancestry.com/boards/surnames.ayling/385/mb.ashx
Chris Ayling,
Canada
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I have an autosomal DNA match with a descendant of William Ayling via his granddaughter Caroline Ayling (B. 1844). This puzzled me because I did not see a link between my Ayling ancestors (in the Graffham/Woolavington area) and the Aylings of Broadwater/Worthing.
In the 1851 census William says he was born about 1767 and from Greatham. I thought this might have been transcribed in error for Graffham. And there is a William born there in 1767...but he is deceased in 1767. However, there is a William Ayling born in 1766 in nearby Woolavington. There was a lot of movement between Graffham and Woolavington for Ayling families. For example, my 6X great grandfather James Ayling (1774-1860) was born in Woolavington. His father Thomas Ayling (1738-1820) was from Graffham. James' son John Ayling (1804-1890) raises his family in Graffham.
So what I am saying is that perhaps William Ayling of "Greatham" was the son of Thomas Ayling (1738-1820) of Graffham, brother to my 6X great grandfather James Ayling (1774-1860). If so, this other person and I would share about .7% of autosomal DNA from Thomas. Is this enough for Ancestry to pick up? I'm not sure.
The only way to know for sure would be for an Ayling male descendant of William to take a YDNA test and compare to my test results. If you are that person, contact me at * . Or contact me via the Ayling Surname Project at www.familytreedna.com/groups/ayling-surname/about/background
Cheers,
Chris Ayling
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William Ayling (1767-1855) was born in Graffham, not Greatham, West Sussex, son of Thomas Ayling (1738-1820). Confirmed via YDNA testing. One of William's male descendants and I both tested and we match consistent with my confirmed ancestor James Ayling (1775-1860) and William being brothers. My research confirming my 5X great grandfather James was also confirmed via YDNA matches with two other of his descendants.
Mystery solved :)
Chris Ayling
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Thats a great outcome Chris :)