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Title: Lalouette/Carolan , Navan
Post by: seanmhi on Saturday 29 September 12 14:24 BST (UK)
Trying to trace further decendants of Patrick Lalouette, listed Chapel lane, Navan, 1854 Giffiths evaluation. A daughter married James Carolan, also from Navan, in 1882, any  further information? :)
Title: Re: Lalouette/Carolan , Navan
Post by: taramcdsmall on Monday 11 August 14 19:29 BST (UK)
AWWWW

I've just seen how sad and lonely this board is ~ tut tut ~ how did we miss you first time around

OK, so to avoid confusion I shall post any finds here !

Tara
Title: Re: Lalouette/Carolan , Navan
Post by: taramcdsmall on Monday 11 August 14 19:34 BST (UK)
Hi Seanmhi

So,

We know that Patrick was a coachman.

We know that he appears on the GV in Navan, Meath !

It's highly possible that this George is his son !

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Meath/Navan_Urban/Trimgate_Street/1618080/

We know that his daughter Mary married James Carolan (and that Lalouette / Carolan part of your tree is Ok ~ we are just trying to sort out Patrick !)

Tara
Title: Re: Lalouette/Carolan , Navan
Post by: taramcdsmall on Monday 11 August 14 19:35 BST (UK)
So,

Given the fact that Mary Lalouette married James Carolan THEN

these 2 ladies MUST be her sisters !!!!!!!!!!

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Meath/Navan_Urban/Bridge_Street/726927/

What do you think ?

Tara
Title: Re: Lalouette/Carolan , Navan
Post by: seanmhi on Monday 11 August 14 19:40 BST (UK)
A very good effort Tara..BUT.... a huge age difference,,30 yrs plus..the Lalouetts at Bridge st were in late 20s. in 1911. mary lalawith/Carolan according to marriage cert was 26 in 1882..the quest continues 8) kind regards
Title: Re: Lalouette/Carolan , Navan
Post by: taramcdsmall on Monday 11 August 14 19:44 BST (UK)
Seanmhi

How little you know about ladies !

Ladies of the time were given to GREAT exaggeration as to underestimating their age on the Census.

Please don't rule them out so quickly !

Tara

Title: Re: Lalouette/Carolan , Navan
Post by: taramcdsmall on Monday 11 August 14 19:47 BST (UK)
Possible death o Patrick Lalouette

First name(s)    Patrick
Last name    Laloett
Age    67
Birth year    1814
Registered year    1881
Death year    1881
Registered quarter/year    Jul - Sep 1881
Registration district    Navan
Volume    2
Page    591

I recommend that you order this cert to see if it's a match !

Tara
Title: Re: Lalouette/Carolan , Navan
Post by: seanmhi on Monday 11 August 14 19:54 BST (UK)
Tara... the ladies often still do!!!!

but by 30 years? :-\
Title: Re: Lalouette/Carolan , Navan
Post by: taramcdsmall on Monday 11 August 14 20:05 BST (UK)
Hey, my mother does it all the time  ;)

If you were to take their ages 'at face value' then they are very similar in age to their 'nephew', not rare but does it not make you question their ages ~ if you look at the original image you will see that whoever filled out the form originally was putting their ages under the male column, then rubbed it out and put, what appears to be a different age in the female column  ???

OR

Another way to look at it is that the term 'niece / nephew' was a loose one at the time.

The may have been cousins and hence could be children of a sibling of Mary's.

Did Mary have a son called Patrick ? I would imagine so given that her father was called Patrick !

Where was Mary and her husband James in 1901 ?

Tara
Title: Re: Lalouette/Carolan , Navan
Post by: taramcdsmall on Monday 11 August 14 20:18 BST (UK)
So,

back to Patrick and his occupation of Coach Driver !

Interesting

While it is VERY dangerous to presume that when someone has a rare surname, that ALL those with it MUST be related, I did find the following interesting.

We have mentioned that the name most commonly crops up in Dublin, yet we wondered how Patrick was in Meath.

Well, have you see that there was a Lalouette's Undertakers in Dublin at one point !

There were also called Lalouettes Carriage, Horse & Mart Repository !!!!!

Is it possible that Patrick was part of this family at one point and for some reason went to Westmeath with his own carriage . . .

HUM, makes you think !

http://www.libraryireland.com/Dublin-Street-Directory-1862/131.php

Tara
Title: Re: Lalouette/Carolan , Navan
Post by: seanmhi on Monday 11 August 14 20:21 BST (UK)
if the ages are incorrect..Patrick was a nephew and his age almost correct..thanks
Title: Re: Lalouette/Carolan , Navan
Post by: taramcdsmall on Monday 11 August 14 20:27 BST (UK)
A fab mention of the Dublin Lalouette's in connection with carriages, cabs, coaches etc here !

https://www.wordnik.com/words/tilburies

Tara
Title: Re: Lalouette/Carolan , Navan
Post by: taramcdsmall on Monday 11 August 14 20:36 BST (UK)
Another good reference to Lalouettes and Coaches !

http://www.familytrees.eshire.net/whats_new_5.html

Tara
Title: Re: Lalouette/Carolan , Navan
Post by: taramcdsmall on Monday 11 August 14 20:38 BST (UK)
WOW, I just recognised something which MAY be of interest to me !

What do you know about James Carolan . . .

I just thought it was interesting that there were Lalouettes at Elephant Lane AND my pals Carolans lived in Elephant Lane !

Most likely a coincidence but STILL OOoooooOOOO !

Tara
Title: Re: Lalouette/Carolan , Navan
Post by: taramcdsmall on Monday 11 August 14 20:47 BST (UK)
John Lalouette

Born Navan, Meath

Same Occupation ~ HAS to be a son of Patrick ! First son called Patrick too !

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Castleknock/Ashtown__part_of_/1268575/

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Arran_Quay/Sigurd_Road/47241/

Tara
Title: Re: Lalouette/Carolan , Navan
Post by: taramcdsmall on Monday 11 August 14 20:52 BST (UK)
In 1910 John Lalouette is still listed as a Coachman from Navan !

Tara
Title: Re: Lalouette/Carolan , Navan
Post by: taramcdsmall on Monday 11 August 14 20:57 BST (UK)
Another Lalouette / Carolan connection ???

http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/9ba4ef0044859

Tara
Title: Re: Lalouette/Carolan , Navan
Post by: seanmhi on Monday 11 August 14 21:07 BST (UK)
Lived at sigurd st? according to search on the LDS site, he was jailed in 1910 for assault,and died in Dublin in 1918..dont know if related
Title: Re: Lalouette/Carolan , Navan
Post by: taramcdsmall on Monday 11 August 14 21:15 BST (UK)
Did you get his marriage to get his father's name ?

That's the only way to be 100% sure !

Tara
Title: Re: Lalouette/Carolan , Navan
Post by: seanmhi on Monday 11 August 14 21:26 BST (UK)
That i havent got..
Title: Re: Lalouette/Carolan , Navan
Post by: seanmhi on Thursday 06 October 22 13:04 BST (UK)
I got Patrick laloett  born march 1808..father George.