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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Meath => Topic started by: seanmhi on Saturday 29 September 12 14:24 BST (UK)
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Trying to trace further decendants of Patrick Lalouette, listed Chapel lane, Navan, 1854 Giffiths evaluation. A daughter married James Carolan, also from Navan, in 1882, any further information? :)
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AWWWW
I've just seen how sad and lonely this board is ~ tut tut ~ how did we miss you first time around
OK, so to avoid confusion I shall post any finds here !
Tara
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Hi Seanmhi
So,
We know that Patrick was a coachman.
We know that he appears on the GV in Navan, Meath !
It's highly possible that this George is his son !
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Meath/Navan_Urban/Trimgate_Street/1618080/
We know that his daughter Mary married James Carolan (and that Lalouette / Carolan part of your tree is Ok ~ we are just trying to sort out Patrick !)
Tara
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So,
Given the fact that Mary Lalouette married James Carolan THEN
these 2 ladies MUST be her sisters !!!!!!!!!!
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Meath/Navan_Urban/Bridge_Street/726927/
What do you think ?
Tara
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A very good effort Tara..BUT.... a huge age difference,,30 yrs plus..the Lalouetts at Bridge st were in late 20s. in 1911. mary lalawith/Carolan according to marriage cert was 26 in 1882..the quest continues 8) kind regards
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Seanmhi
How little you know about ladies !
Ladies of the time were given to GREAT exaggeration as to underestimating their age on the Census.
Please don't rule them out so quickly !
Tara
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Possible death o Patrick Lalouette
First name(s) Patrick
Last name Laloett
Age 67
Birth year 1814
Registered year 1881
Death year 1881
Registered quarter/year Jul - Sep 1881
Registration district Navan
Volume 2
Page 591
I recommend that you order this cert to see if it's a match !
Tara
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Tara... the ladies often still do!!!!
but by 30 years? :-\
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Hey, my mother does it all the time ;)
If you were to take their ages 'at face value' then they are very similar in age to their 'nephew', not rare but does it not make you question their ages ~ if you look at the original image you will see that whoever filled out the form originally was putting their ages under the male column, then rubbed it out and put, what appears to be a different age in the female column ???
OR
Another way to look at it is that the term 'niece / nephew' was a loose one at the time.
The may have been cousins and hence could be children of a sibling of Mary's.
Did Mary have a son called Patrick ? I would imagine so given that her father was called Patrick !
Where was Mary and her husband James in 1901 ?
Tara
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So,
back to Patrick and his occupation of Coach Driver !
Interesting
While it is VERY dangerous to presume that when someone has a rare surname, that ALL those with it MUST be related, I did find the following interesting.
We have mentioned that the name most commonly crops up in Dublin, yet we wondered how Patrick was in Meath.
Well, have you see that there was a Lalouette's Undertakers in Dublin at one point !
There were also called Lalouettes Carriage, Horse & Mart Repository !!!!!
Is it possible that Patrick was part of this family at one point and for some reason went to Westmeath with his own carriage . . .
HUM, makes you think !
http://www.libraryireland.com/Dublin-Street-Directory-1862/131.php
Tara
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if the ages are incorrect..Patrick was a nephew and his age almost correct..thanks
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A fab mention of the Dublin Lalouette's in connection with carriages, cabs, coaches etc here !
https://www.wordnik.com/words/tilburies
Tara
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Another good reference to Lalouettes and Coaches !
http://www.familytrees.eshire.net/whats_new_5.html
Tara
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WOW, I just recognised something which MAY be of interest to me !
What do you know about James Carolan . . .
I just thought it was interesting that there were Lalouettes at Elephant Lane AND my pals Carolans lived in Elephant Lane !
Most likely a coincidence but STILL OOoooooOOOO !
Tara
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John Lalouette
Born Navan, Meath
Same Occupation ~ HAS to be a son of Patrick ! First son called Patrick too !
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Castleknock/Ashtown__part_of_/1268575/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Arran_Quay/Sigurd_Road/47241/
Tara
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In 1910 John Lalouette is still listed as a Coachman from Navan !
Tara
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Another Lalouette / Carolan connection ???
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/9ba4ef0044859
Tara
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Lived at sigurd st? according to search on the LDS site, he was jailed in 1910 for assault,and died in Dublin in 1918..dont know if related
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Did you get his marriage to get his father's name ?
That's the only way to be 100% sure !
Tara
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That i havent got..
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I got Patrick laloett born march 1808..father George.