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Thomas Lowry was 29 when he married Mary Florence Godfrey in Rockhampton, Qld. in 1902 so he was born circa 1873. He died 20/06/1930 aged 57, so his age on the marriage and death records are consistant. Also consistant is his parents names.
His marriage certificate (Rites of the Methodist Church) states that he was born in Melbourne Victoria. Parents were Thomas Lowry, hairdresser, and Elizabeth Farrow. The parents are NOT witnesses to their son's marriage.
I have been unable to find anything on Thomas the youngers birth or for that matter any details on his parents.
Would appreciate any help chatters may be able to come up with.
Thanx in advance..
Jon
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Hi,
The 1903 Electoral Roll has Thomas & Mary Lowry residing at 126 Alma St Rockhampton where Thomas was a plumber and Mary on domestic duties.
Regards
Gerry
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Is this the death for which you have the certificate?
1930/ REG C1948 Thomas Lowry
Parents Thomas & Elizabeth---
If so, does the certificate actually give the former name for ELIZABETH?
It does not on this registration from the online index.
Sue
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Gerry - I have most if not all of the info on Thomas junior in Qld aside from his possible birth in Melbourne Vic.
Sue - Yes the certificate shows the mothers names as Elizabeth Farrow. So does the marriage cert.
Jon
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I have had a good look through the Victorian indexes in the period, but no real clues.
An unmarried woman named Elizabeth Farrow had a daughter in 1888, but cannot really establish any connection there.
Who was the informant informant, Jon?
It is quiite possible that the parental details were simply copied from the marriage certificate by someone for the certification.
Who were THOMAS' siblings?
Sue
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Hi Sue
This is a real brick wall. The informant to Thomas junior's death was his son Henry Thomas Lowry. I have been thinking the info on the death cert was too 'convenient'
It does look as though it was a copy over from the marriage cert.
If you are asking about Thomas senior's siblings, then I don't know. I cannot find anything on this family at all. Spent several hours yesterday going thru Trove to no avail.
It's almost as though the name is a fabrication or alias. AND hairdresser! Were men called haridressers in the late 19th early 20th century?
Jon
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Jon,
I have looked at the Melbourne Directory for 1875 and I can't find Thomas Lowry or Lowrie or Lowrey under hairdressers, which was a trade category in the Directory.
Gerry
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Thanx Gerry and Sue for having a look. It seems as though this one is destined to remain a mystery.
Jon
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Have you picked through the information in the death/funeral notice for Florence Mary LOWRY?
Morning Bulletin 27 Aug 1945
THE Relatives and friends of Mr and Mrs H. T. Lowry (Son and Daughter in-law)
Mr and Mrs W. R. Smith, Toowoomba
Mr and Mrs P. Weatherby, Brisbane
Mr and Mrs P. F. Wells. Townsville
Mr and Mrs E. Crossan. and Families
(Sons-in-law and Daughters, and Grandchildren).
Mrs A. Goodhew, Sydney (Sister)
Mr and Mrs J. Stevens, Sydney (Brother-in law and Sister)
Mrs A. Godfrey (Sister-in-law)
Mr and Mrs W. S. Bell-Booth, Brisbane, and Families (Brother-in-law, Sister-in-Law, Nephew and Nieces
....... Funeral of their deceased beloved Mother, Grandmother, Sister, Aunt, and Relative, the late Mrs FLORENCE MARY LOWRY,
.....the residence of ber Son-in-law and Daughter, Mr and Mrs Eric Crossan,
No. 152 Quarry St, TOMORROW (Tuesday) FORENOON, at ll o'clock, for the North Rockhampton Cemetery.Fix this text
There is much effort to identify family relationships, so if the Bell-Booth people are described as BIL and SIL to Florence, does that mean they are related to her husband Thomas Lowry?
Who are the witnesses on the marriage certificate, 1902 please.
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Wivenhoe - you are brilliant ;D
William Stanley BELL-BOOTH married Florence HEILBRONN in 1931.
Florence was born in 1879, the daughter of Thomas Illidge HEILBRONN and Elizabeth FARROW. Florence died in 1958.
Debra :)
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Death in Queensland
1885
1885/C1836
Elizabeth HEILBRONN
Parents Edward FARROW
Sarah Mitchell KEEYES
Birth in Victoria
1855
Elizabeth FARROW
Father: Edward FARROW
Mother: Sarah KEEYS
Registered: Castlemaine, Victoria
Reg. Number: 2358
Debra :)
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I have no idea what is going on here. ???
Thomas and Elizabeth were married in 1871 so she was only 16. They had a son Thomas:
1872/C852
Thomas Illidge HEILBROM
Parents Thomas Illidge & Elizabeth FARROW
The son Thomas married Clara POULTON and was a carpenter living in Gympie.
No he didn't. This Thomas Illidge HEILBRONN died in 1926 (aged 69) and is buried with Clara (died 1935) in the Lutwyche Cemetery in Brisbane. His death reg:
1926/B50337
Thomas Illidge HEILBRONN
Parents: John & Mary BAILEY (Ancestry names her as Mary Bailey ILLIDGE)
No sign of another Thomas Illidge, so did Thomas LOWRY start life as Thomas Illidge HEILBRONN?
Having a look at Ancestry trees, and Thomas Snr. is recorded as a....drum roll....hairdresser! ;D
Debra :)
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It seems Thomas Snr. was both a farmer and a barber.
Both from when he died in 1890....
Mr. Thomas Heilbronn, one of the pioneer farmers residing on the Widgee Crossing.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article71111958
Thomas Illidge Heilbronn, of Gympie, barber.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article3507902
Debra :)
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Debra and wivenhoe!!
Amazing work!
Sue
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Debra and Wivenhoe.
That is absolutely amazing work. I am tied up for most of the day but look forward to being able to digest it all this evening. THANKS guys!!!!! Greatly appreciate the fact you went the extra mile or two.
Jon
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Nice detective work, well done.
Insolvency 4th July 1885, Brisbane Court.
Thomas Illidge Heilbronn.
Gympie, haidresser.
Gerry
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AND hairdresser! Were men called haridressers in the late 19th early 20th century?
YEP, they sure were, especially in NSW ;) I have a family of 15 children born in Sydney from 1870 to 1895 and each BIRTH registration shows their dad was a HAIRDRESSER. Needless to say ALL the boys that survived to adulthood also became Hairdressers, and the occupation is shown on their electoral roll entries and on their enlistment papers.
I am quite sure though that they were also Barbers, and sold tobacco and perhaps indulged in some SP betting efforts too. ;D
Cheers, JM
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Some 1903 Electoral Rolll findings May or may not help.
GYMPIE 1903
Surname- HEILBRONN
ADOLPH- Muckleton Farm- Miner
CAROLINE- River RD -HD
CATHERINE- Pine St HD
CLARA Clematis St- HD
FLORENCE Violet St- HD
FLORENCE Muckleton Farm- HD
GEORGE WILIAM- Muckleton Farm- Farm- Labourer
HARRY SCOTT- Pine St.- Carrier
JOHN HENRY- Pine St.- Labourer
EDWARD FARROW - Carey St- Miner
JOSIAH MASON- Muckleton Farm,- Farmer
MARY ANN- River Rd- HD
MARY BAILEY- Muckleton Farm HD
ROLAND MUCKLETON- River Rd- Cabman
THOMAS ILLRIDGE- Clematis St- Carpenter
Sue
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This OBITUARY for EDWARD FARROW is of interest (7/2/1939)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/39022434?searchTerm="heilbron" +gympie&searchLimits=
ADDING some detail
.......Mr. Edward Farrow, of Nash Street, Gympie, died recently at the age of 70. When he was five years old, Mr. Farrow became an orphan in Bendigo
(V.), and went to live with his uncle and aunt, Mr. and Mrs. H. Heilbron, in Gympie, where he later became a hairdresser. ........
Sue
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As an aside, hoping you will all have a chuckle or two over this…..
“Chiropody electrolysis ladies hairdresser & hair worker” interesting combination …. I have just used the Index to Registers of Firms at the NSW State Records Office online.
They have ten pages of returns when I used the keyword “hairdresser” for the keyword at their option for “Nature of Business." The Register is for firms Registered under a NSW Act of 1902
http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchform.aspx?id=48
Cheers, JM
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Thomas and Elizabeth were married in 1871 so she was only 16. They had a son Thomas:
1872/C852
Thomas Illidge HEILBROM
Parents Thomas Illidge & Elizabeth FARROW
The son Thomas married Clara POULTON and was a carpenter living in Gympie.
No he didn't. This Thomas Illidge HEILBRONN died in 1926 (aged 69) and is buried with Clara (died 1935) in the Lutwyche Cemetery in Brisbane. His death reg:
1926/B50337
Thomas Illidge HEILBRONN
Parents: John & Mary BAILEY (Ancestry names her as Mary Bailey ILLIDGE)
No sign of another Thomas Illidge, so did Thomas LOWRY start life as Thomas Illidge HEILBRONN?
Debra
Births in Victoria
HEILBRONN John
Father John Mother Mary Bailey ILLIDGE
At Beechworth 1856 Reg#6325
HEILBROWN Thomas Illidge
Father John Mother Mary Bailey ILLIDGE
At Tarrgee 1858 Reg#14548
HEILBRONN Lucas Percival
Father John Mother Mary Bailey ILLIDGE
At Rutherglen 1861
The Argus 3 June 1858
IN RE JOHN HEILBRONN.
Second meeting. Present, Mr. Laing, Official Assignee. The insolvent was not present.
Mr. Laing stated that the insolvent, who kept a public house near Beechworth, had not enough of property to pay for bringing him down to town. He had returned the lease hold interest of the land on which his house was built at Tarrawingee as worth £500. It consisted of 50 acres of land, rented for seven years, at a head rent of £150 a year. He, Mr. Jacomb, had communicated with his agent at Beechworth, and ascertained that there really was no lease executed, and no sane man would execute a lease as tenant at that rent. The inn (called the Eureka) was a wayside inn, and all the purchased land, about the 50 acres on which it stood, could be purchased in fee simple for 25s. or 80s. an acre. The building was a wooden one, wholly dilapidated, and would not sell for £20. The place was of no value for its stand as a hotel, for there was a really well kept hotel quite close to it. The furniture was of no value, but as lumber, consisting principally of gin and pickle cases, patched up with a few bush saplings.
The debts in this case were £2,007, and the assets were valued in the schedule at £529, of which this seven years' lease of the "hotel" and 50 acres at £150 a year, were valued at £500.
His Honor commented very strongly on the conduct of the insolvent in putting this fictitious value on his assets.
The meeting closed, and the Court rose
Cando
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This OBITUARY for EDWARD FARROW is of interest (7/2/1939)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/39022434?searchTerm="heilbron" +gympie&searchLimits=
ADDING some detail
.......Mr. Edward Farrow, of Nash Street, Gympie, died recently at the age of 70. When he was five years old, Mr. Farrow became an orphan in Bendigo
(V.), and went to live with his uncle and aunt, Mr. and Mrs. H. Heilbron, in Gympie, where he later became a hairdresser. ........
Sue
Gee, I don't know that this is entirely true. He is living with his wife and Edward FARROW Snr. in Gympie prior to Edward Snr.'s death in December 1906 (registered 1907). Despite the age difference, I think Edward Jnr. was Elizabeth's brother or maybe half brother?
1907/C1654 Edward Farrow - - ** born England aged 77 years
Marriage
St. Giles, Camberwell, Surrey
22 June 1852
Edward FARROW, full age, batchelor, Footman, residing Norfolk Street, Peckham, Father: George FARROW, Butcher
Sarah Ann Mitchell KEEYS, full age, spinster, no occupation, residing Norfolk Street, Peckham, Father: Thomas KEEYS, Miller
Witnesses: Hannah KEEYS, Rebecca LEE
Jon, I think you will need a large packet of headache pills to work out the relationships in this family, their movements between Victoria and Queensland, and what happened to mother Sarah Ann.
Debra :)
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All the names together......Heilbronn, Bellboth, Lowery and Farrow.
I think you need to buy some BDM certificates.
FUNERAL NOTICE
The friends of MRS. JULIA HEILBRONN and FAMILY, No. 153 Sachs-street,
..... funeral of......husband and father (Edward Farrow Heilbronn) respectively, ... St. John's Church, Cairns, at 3 o'clock THIS TUESDAY AFTERNOON... Cairns Cemetery, Martyn-street.
The friends of Mr. and Mrs. E. F. Heilbronn, jnr. (Emerald Creek, Mareeba),
Mr. and Mrs. Bellboth (Bri bane),
Mrs. W. Lowery and family (Rockhampton),
Mr. and Mrs. E. Farrow (Gympie),
Mr. and Mrs. W. Burrows and family (Cairns),
Mr. and Mrs. J. Burrows (Gordonvale),
Mr. Geo. Heilbronn (Charters Tow ers),
Dorothy and Lucy Heilbronn (Townsville) are also invited to attend.
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I had a look to see who Edward FARROW was Footman to in 1851. Turns out it was Goodenough HAYTER, a person I am distantly related to by marriage. True story. :o
Jon, I think this means you have to come over and do my housework. ;D
Debra :)
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Edward Farrow Heilbronn is buried at the Martyn Street Cemetery in Cairns.
Age 58, buried 21St Feb 1933, Monumental Section, Row E2, Plot 2531.
Gerry
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This OBITUARY for EDWARD FARROW is of interest (7/2/1939)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/39022434?searchTerm="heilbron" +gympie&searchLimits=
ADDING some detail
.......Mr. Edward Farrow, of Nash Street, Gympie, died recently at the age of 70. When he was five years old, Mr. Farrow became an orphan in Bendigo
(V.), and went to live with his uncle and aunt, Mr. and Mrs. H. Heilbron, in Gympie, where he later became a hairdresser. ........
Gee, I don't know that this is entirely true. He is living with his wife and Edward FARROW Snr. in Gympie prior to Edward Snr.'s death in December 1906 (registered 1907). Despite the age difference, I think Edward Jnr. was Elizabeth's brother or maybe half brother?
1907/C1654 Edward Farrow - - ** born England aged 77 years
Marriage
St. Giles, Camberwell, Surrey
22 June 1852
Edward FARROW, full age, batchelor, Footman, residing Norfolk Street, Peckham, Father: George FARROW, Butcher
Sarah Ann Mitchell KEEYS, full age, spinster, no occupation, residing Norfolk Street, Peckham, Father: Thomas KEEYS, Miller
Witnesses: Hannah KEEYS, Rebecca LEE
Jon, I think you will need a large packet of headache pills to work out the relationships in this family, their movements between Victoria and Queensland, and what happened to mother Sarah Ann.
Sarah Ann Mitchell FARROW died 1855 in Victoria, she is registered as FARRER.
Death:
FARRER Sarah Mitchell (born KENT) d. age 28yrs 1855 #5078
Father/Mother: Unknown
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I had a look to see who Edward FARROW was Footman to in 1851. Turns out it was Goodenough HAYTER, a person I am distantly related to by marriage. True story. :o
Jon, I think this means you have to come over and do my housework. ;D
Debra :)
Ha, ha! Love your sense of humor Debra. I would love to hep out BUT with all this info you have found for me I just won't have time. Don't think I am gonna have time to even do mine. Just can't thank you enought for your help.
Gotta also thank Gerry, Sue, Wivenhoe, JM, Cando and Merlin. There have been some real little gems of info that have been unearth.
There is an absolute ship load on info that I have to digest and a few online trees have also opened up which will need looking into and verification.
Thanx again guys.
Jon
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Wivenhoe - you are brilliant ;D
William Stanley BELL-BOOTH married Florence HEILBRONN in 1931.
Florence was born in 1879, the daughter of Thomas Illidge HEILBRONN and Elizabeth FARROW. Florence died in 1958.
Debra :)
Debra
A quick question? The online BDM's and Diggers give Florence's last name as Booth. Where did you get Heilbronn from?
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Hi Jon. I just found this thread. Have you sorted out all the Thomas Illidge Heilbronns yet? I can email you some stuff that might help. Have you found out why he changed his name to Lowry?
Cheers
Ros
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I can email you some stuff that might help. Have you found out why he changed his name to Lowry?
Cheers
Ros
Ros
Always looking for any information that I may not have. Haven't found out the reason for the name change as yet.
The best way to email me info is to send it via PM (personal message) but you need to have three posts up before we can make contact this way. It is not permitted to display email addresses on the open forum.
Jon
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It could take me another century to get 3 posts up. I think I have only one other. I'm not much of a chatter - except when something is really bugging me. Then I refer to the wisest counsel I can find (fellow researchers).
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When it's OK to post your email, let me know if you still want the "stuff". :-\
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Ros
You should have a PM. Let me know if you have any problems.
Jon