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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Warwickshire => England => Warwickshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: robertmead70 on Wednesday 26 September 12 01:25 BST (UK)
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Hi looking for parents names, occupations etc for a marriage between
William Ball & Maria Perkins
18 July 1843.
Thanks for any help Rob
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If you purchase the marriage certificate, you will get most of the information you are looking for:
Marriages Sep 1843
BALL William Birmingham Volume16 page313
JONES John Downes Birmingham 16 313
JONES John Downs Birmingham 16 313
PERKINS Maria Birmingham 16 313
WILKINSON Elizabeth Birmingham 16 313
WILKINSON John Birmingham 16 313
WINDER Catharine Birmingham 16 313
WRIGHT Martin Birmingham 16 313
WRIGHT Mary Ann Birmingham 16 313
Using the above reference details it is quick and easy to purchase the certificate online using a credit card. Cost is only £9.25: http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp
As you don't know their ages, and it is likely that there are several candidates on the censuses, you really need at least the father's names to make sure you are tracing the correct Maria and WIlliam.
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As an example, assuming William was about 23 when he married therfore born 1820, I looked for a William Ball in the 1841 census born around 1820 +/- 5 years living in Warwickshire. I got 9 results.
Of course any of these perameters may be incorrect, which would give even more possible William Balls.
So, buying the certificate is the best way to progress with this search to ensure you are following the correct families. :)
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I have located William and Maria on the 1851 census. Do you have this?
This tells us that William is 32 so born about 1819 in Birmingham.
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I have also found the family on the 1861 census. Interesting that William has his mother with the family. Places of birth are different from the 1851 for both William and Maria.
Let me know if you would like the details of the censuses.
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I will pass these censues onto you anyway:
1851
Class HO107/ Piece 2061/ Folio 78/ Page 8
16 Court, Aston Road
William Ball head mar 32 pearl button maker
Maria wife 28
Charles son 5
Catherine daur 2
Margaret daur 3mo
Edward Glover brother unmar 36 ornament maker
John son 12 do
Rosa daur 10 do
(all born Birmingham)
I do not understand how Edward Glover is a brother to William, unless he is a half brother or a brother in law? :-\
1861
210 Aston Road Birmingham
RG9/2177/102/17
William Ball head mar 38 pearl button maker Staffs Pugeby(may be Rugeley?)
Mariah wife mar 36 Middlesex London
Charles son 15 gun maker b Birmingham
Margaret 9 do
William 7 do
Margaret Ball mother unmar 66 attends to Dron....(?) shop b Shaksl(t)on County NK
So a few inconsistencies between the censuses which will need chasing up. And a few place names that need investigating.
I can't easily see the family in 1871, but I think I found Margaret as a lodger in another household.
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I see you have signed off before revisiting this thread. :-\
I will wait for a response from you before continuing to search any further.
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Hi
William Ball - Full age - Bachelor - Occupation - Railway Company Guard - Living at Clerkenwell, London - Father - William Ball - Tailor
Married
Maria Perkins - Full age - Spinster - Living at Digbeth, Birmingham - Father - Richard Perkins - Farmer
Witnesses are - William Sutcliffe and Sarah Sutcliffe
Hope this helps
Brummygirl
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Hello
If William Ball is a Railway guard on his wedding banns living in London
father Tailor this could be William and Maria.
1851 H0107/1496 folio 344 Page 50 St Pancras Sommers Town Middlesex
128 Upp Seymour Street
William Ball age 63 Tailor born Hitchen herts
Mary wife age 55 Sheephead Leicestershire
William Ball son age 33 Railway guard London
Maria sons wife age 31 Rushton Northants
William son age 7 Clerkenwell
Mary Ann dau age 2 St Pancras
Edwin Rd son age 3 months St Pancras
Mary Ann dau age 30 City Middlesex
Emily dau age 23 Milliner City
Thomas Oram?son age 18 Clerk born City
Eliza Jones age 15 servant
Pam
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Looks like a possible for Margaret in 1851;
Born Shaxton, Derbyshire
1851 Census
Court 17 Aston Road,
Aston, Warwickshire
HO107/2061/79/10
William BALL, 55, Mar, Errand Man, born Warwickshire, Sutton
Margarett, 58, Wife, Mar, born Derbyshire, Shaxton
Richard, 19, Son, Pearl Button Maker, born Warwickshire, Birmingham
Catherine, 22, Daug, Unm, Pearl Button Maker, born Warwickshire, Grindon
+ 3 Lodgers
Trouble is that William Snr is not a Tailor. Could he have upped his Fathers occp as Marias Father was a Farmer?
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AH I'm looking at the one that Married Maria GLOVER, 13 June 1851, Warwickshire.
Makes sense that a Brother Edward is with them in 1861 ;D
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Hello
If correct family from Brummygirls and my posts
1861 RG9/332 folio 36 page 24 Southwark St George Surrey
Gt Union ??
William Ball age 41/7 Omnibus Conductor born Middlesex
Maria wife age 41 Rushden Northamptonshire
William E son age 16 tobaconist born Clerkenwell
Mary Ann dau age 12 Somers Town Middlesex
Edwin R son age 10 South Wales??
James T son age 5
Cannon son age 3
Herbert W son age 3 months Southwark
1871 RG10/727 folio 18 page 31 Camberwell St Giles Surrey
9 Dane Road
William Ball age 53 Omnibus Conductor out of employment Blackfriars Surrey
Maria wife age 50 Russhton Northamptonshire
Edwin son age 20 traveller to tobacconist Somers Town
Emily dau age 18 Camden Town
James Thomas son age 15 Heredfordshire
Cannon son age 13 Heredfordshire
Herbert son age 10 born Middles Bow
Albert son age 8 Walworth
Thos t Giles lodger
Pam
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1881
Maria Ball age 60 widow Rushton Northampsonshire
James Thomas Ball age 25 son traveller Drapers born Wales
Cannor son age 23 Furrier born Wales
Herbert Walter son age 20 Warehouseman Southwark
Albert Garebaldie son age 17 Wood Stacker Southwark
1891 RG12/ 389 folio 30 page 54 Lambeth London
Edward Street
Mary Ann Wood widow age 42 Office Cleaner Camden London
David son age 18 packing case marker Peckham London
Henry Woods son 10 Bermondsey
Charlotte Woods dau 4 Lambeth
Cannon Balls brother age 34 Farrier born North Wales
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Hi
William Ball - Full age - Bachelor - Occupation - Railway Company Guard - Living at Clerkenwell, London - Father - William Ball - Tailor
Married
Maria Perkins - Full age - Spinster - Living at Digbeth, Birmingham - Father - Richard Perkins - Farmer
Witnesses are - William Sutcliffe and Sarah Sutcliffe
Hope this helps
Brummygirl
Ok, sorry I went off on the wrong trail there. Never mind. :)