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Title: John Hudson - COMPLETED
Post by: Gravity on Tuesday 25 September 12 22:00 BST (UK)
Hi

Wondered if anyone could help me with trying to find out more information about my Gt Grandfather, John Hudson, who was born in  Bassenthwaite, Cumberland sometime between 1860 - 1870.

I know that he married Mary Graves - born Dalton-In-Furness in 1860 - in Ulverston in the 4th quarter of 1885. They had 6 children - William (1887); Robert (1888); Florence (1891); Mabel (1896); Hilda (1898) and Ida (1900).

Unfortunately I can't seem to find anything about his parents or whether he had any siblings!

Any help would be greatly appreciated as I seem to be going round in circles!!  ::)

Thanks
Title: Re: John Hudson
Post by: suzard on Tuesday 25 September 12 22:51 BST (UK)
Hi

Wondered if anyone could help me with trying to find out more information about my Gt Grandfather, John Hudson, who was born in  Bassenthwaite, Cumberland sometime between 1860 - 1870.



Any help would be greatly appreciated as I seem to be going round in circles!!  ::)

Thanks


Where did you find his p.o.b.?

and why do you think he was born 1860-1870??

This is his possible death reg  FreeBMD
John Hudson
age 39
Jun qtr 1900
Barrow in Furness
8e 617

1891 census  puts his y.o.b. c.1861

1891 census his p.o.b. is given as Branthwaite Cumberland

Or am I looking at the wrong family???

Suz
Title: Re: John Hudson
Post by: CaroleW on Tuesday 25 September 12 23:10 BST (UK)
I think you have the right family Suz as the children match those given above

Gravity - do you have a copy of his marriage cert showing his fathers name and occ
Title: Re: John Hudson
Post by: Gravity on Wednesday 26 September 12 20:40 BST (UK)
Thanks for the replies.

Found his place of birth and a rough estimate of his dob on Genes Reunited whilst looking through records for my Grandmother, who was his daughter Hilda.

The death record is in the right area so will follow up on that.

Not got his marriage certificate but think I may have to order it as my next step in finding his parents, or father at least!
Title: Re: John Hudson
Post by: suzard on Thursday 27 September 12 00:37 BST (UK)
Marriage certificate is a good idea

Do you have any census details for him - I can post some if you wish.

I would also take care with information on Genes - some is really well researched - some is not so good -some is pure fiction. I had quite a bad experience -
Someone on that site copied my tree but altered all of the p.o.b.'s to various places in Scotland -so they would "fit" in with her ancestors. On the line which was copied I have no one b Scotland!! And others have copied the "fictitious" tree!!!

Suz
Title: Re: John Hudson
Post by: clearly on Thursday 27 September 12 13:36 BST (UK)
I will have a quick look and see if his marriage cert./banns is among the church records of Bassenthwaite, held in Carlisle Archive centre. It's cheaper and faster that going the civil route.
Edit: not having read first post properly, of course, his marriage was at Ulverston.
Title: Re: John Hudson
Post by: clearly on Thursday 27 September 12 17:21 BST (UK)
Have checked Bassenthwaite St Bega and Bassenthwaite St John 1840-1890 on birth, deaths, marriages and banns and can find no mention of of the Hudson surname anywhere.
However there are the parishes of Crosthwaite, Thornthwaite, Wythop and Isel all bordering Bassenthwaite Lake.
Title: Re: John Hudson
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 27 September 12 17:57 BST (UK)
Hi

Unfortunatley - there is no 1871 census entry fitting the profile shown on the 1891 entry.  There are a couple of John Hudson entries in his age range but without knowing his fathers name - it's difficult to pinpoint the right entry

I searched the 1871 using just John b Bran** Cumberland 1859-1862 but only one entry - John Bibby - nephew aged 9
Title: Re: John Hudson
Post by: suzard on Friday 28 September 12 00:07 BST (UK)
I will have a quick look and see if his marriage cert./banns is among the church records of Bassenthwaite, held in Carlisle Archive centre. It's cheaper and faster that going the civil route.

Can't find a census where his birth is given as Bassenthwaite ? 1891 census gives his p.o.b. as Branthwaite?????????

Suz
Title: Re: John Hudson
Post by: Gravity on Friday 28 September 12 01:05 BST (UK)
Thanks again for all replies, they are greatly appreciated!

The GR info. was from a census transcription - can't remember which one and I can't find the printed copy in my files {helpful, I know! :P}... maybe it is Branthwaite and the transcriber got it wrong? ???

It's proving to be a pain finding any info. on my Dad's side of the family!! My Mum's side is back to the 1600s but I can't get further than Gt Grandfathers on his side! ::) :(

Frustrating is not the word!!  :P
Title: Re: John Hudson
Post by: clearly on Friday 28 September 12 08:14 BST (UK)
Could the census transcription possibly be Braithwaite which is only a mile or so from Bassenthwaite Lake.  Branthwaite is a good deal further away and in the parish of Dean, I think.
Title: Re: John Hudson
Post by: MaureeninNY on Friday 28 September 12 13:48 BST (UK)
Shot in the dark-but the nephew ,James HUDSON,who is on the 1891 also has a birthplace of Branthwaite. Looking on the 1881 there's a likely candidate in Caldbeck (Reg district Wigton and street address Branthwaite).RG11 5169 70 6

 Going back to the 1871 for that same family-in Caldbeck and same address there's a John HUDSON age 7. RG10 5232 76 12

I think you really need the marriage cert!!!

Maureen
Title: Re: John Hudson
Post by: suzard on Friday 28 September 12 16:22 BST (UK)
Could the census transcription possibly be Braithwaite which is only a mile or so from Bassenthwaite Lake.  Branthwaite is a good deal further away and in the parish of Dean, I think.

We are supposed to work from the images so the transcriptions are our own - image reads Branthwaite to me - now looking at transcription and that is also Branthwaite

I has missed the nephew!!!!!

Seems a possible which Maureen has found - but as she stated you really need marriage cert

Suz
Title: Re: John Hudson
Post by: clearly on Saturday 29 September 12 10:01 BST (UK)
I think the Caldbeck man may very well be the one.  However here is one, a little earlier, from St John's in the Vale, Keswick, which I came across yesterday
Title: Re: John Hudson
Post by: Gravity on Monday 01 October 12 19:22 BST (UK)
Thanks again for the replies, truly appreciated  :)

I've decided to go with ordering the marriage certificate as that's the only way I'm going to be certain of where/when he was born and who his parents were, then I can carry on from there {hopefully!}!

Thanks again x
Title: Re: John Hudson
Post by: Geoff-E on Monday 01 October 12 20:18 BST (UK)
I've decided to go with ordering the marriage certificate as that's the only way I'm going to be certain of where/when he was born and who his parents were, then I can carry on from there {hopefully!}!

You may be somewhat disappointed.   :-\

You will probably get an age - but it may just say "Full age" (i.e.21+ years).

You will not get a birthplace.

You will not get a mother.

You may not get a father.
Title: Re: John Hudson
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 01 October 12 20:44 BST (UK)
As the marriage was 1885 - whilst it's not 100% guaranteed - many marriage certs for that period do show an age

If he was illegitimate - no father will be shown - unless he "invented" one as so many illegitimate children did in those days.  They felt it gave them "respectability"

As Geoff says - it will not show a mothers name - English marriage certs never do
Title: Re: John Hudson
Post by: Gravity on Monday 01 October 12 22:19 BST (UK)
I know marriage certs don't give mother's name, I'm in England myself!!

It's probably the best shot I've got at the moment so I'll have to see what I can get from it otherwise I'm back to square one and nowhere! :(
Title: Re: John Hudson
Post by: suzard on Tuesday 02 October 12 16:03 BST (UK)
I do think it is a good idea to get the marriage cert - even if no father is entered then it narrows the search to a John who is illegit. Also witnesses are sometimes relatives -and so can give further "clues"

Look forward to hearing what the cert states -if you decide to send for it, of course

Suz
Title: Re: John Hudson
Post by: Gravity on Tuesday 02 October 12 19:04 BST (UK)
I do hope the marriage cert. gives me some clues... feels like banging your head against a brick wall!!

Especially when everyone on that side of the family has passed away {the last one in 1984!} so there is nobody to even ask if they remember!!  :(