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I am eager to find the maiden name of 'Isabella Hedly' who was listed in the 1841 census of Newtownards as being a widow of Mill Street (the entry has survived thanks to the Old Age Pension claims). Isabella and her late husband 'Allen Hedly' had several children born in Newtownards between 1820-1836 and I am hoping that someone may perhaps have come across a baptismal entry in one of the local churches for this couple which might give her maiden name. After her husband's death in the mid-1830s she seems to have had two illegitimate children called James Brown and Kyle Brown. Again, if a baptismal record for these two boys survives it might hopefully mention what Isabella's maiden name was.
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Hi there,
I take it that you have seen this family mentioned on the Ros Davies site
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/H/HeaHen.htm
Isabella it says was a widow on the 1841 census and you say that Allan died in the mid 1830's but you might need to check that as she is listed with a one month old child with the name Mary Headley ???
What ages are the Brown children - are you sure they are not from a previous marriage of her's ?
I can't see any marriage's back this far and if she was COI her maiden name is most likely not on her children's baptisms.
Tara
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A Kyle Headley born 1843 married Ann Jane Robinson in Newtownards in 1865, the stated father for him was Allan Headley - just to be aware that there are potentially two people called Allan/Allen Headley/Hedley on the go.
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Thanks both,
Tara, the original 1841 census record shows that Mary was actually one month old when she died in 1836 (she wasn't alive at the time of the census). The seven Hedley children ranged in age from 5 to 17 in 1841 and Isabella stated that she had married Allen Hedley in 1821 (almost certainly in/around Newtownards).
Gaffy, it seems that Kyle 'Hedley' was, in fact, not a Hedley at all! The 1841 census shows him as 'Kyle Brown', aged 6 months, living with his mother Isabella Hedley and the others, so I believe he was probably Isabella's illegitimate son. In later life he seems to have understandably adopted the Hedley surname and, for ease, claimed that his own father was Allen Hedley. Kyle also had a 2-year-old full? brother called James Brown living in the Hedley household in 1841.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed that at least one useful baptismal record for the Hedleys/Browns might survive in the Newtownards records but, as you say Tara, the records may not necessarily mention the mother's maiden name...
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I've only just signed up for this site and found you message about allan hedley.
His wife, Isabella Brown, was born in 1803 and when Allan died in 1836 she had
2 illigitimate sons James and Kyle Brown who later took the Hedley surname.
Kyle had a son Allan Hedley who married my great aunt Maggie Menagh in Newtownards
in 1908.
Kyle had married Ann Jane Robinson(widow, b.1828) in Newtownards.
Ann was too old to be the mother of Kyle's 3 children 1880, 1882 and 1884.
However an Ireland census shows Kyle's wife as Margaret who was able to have been the
mother of his 3 children. So it looks as though Kyle was having a family with Margaret while
his legal wife, Ann Jane was still living, I think she died in 1898.
Allan went Canada in 1913 and was joined sometime later by his wife Maggie and Children.
In the 1921 Canada census they are in Toronto with Allan living as Alex and Maggie as Mary.
Their three children Allan, James and Isabella have retained their christian names and ages
with two more, Margaret born in Ireland(1919) and an Edith born in Ontario(1920 or 1921).
Margaret and Edith disappear later and Allan/Alex and Maggie/Mary are in Toronto until
Allen/Alex dies in 1953 where Mary becomes Maggie again, WIDOW OF ALEX.
In 1954 and 1955 they have all disappeared from the Toronto records.
Some family ? I'm still looking for them because I might have some 2nd cousins but I'm not
hopeful, unless you might be one ?
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Hi Francie
I am David Langford son of Margaret Langford (nee Hedley)
grandson of Allan Hedley of Toronto.
Thank you for your post. It was really cool to see my Mom's name.
I have lots of names, contacts, information about the Hedleys in Toronto.
Please contact me and let me know your connection.
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Hello David, you have no idea how long I have been chasing Hedleys. If you are connected to me it will just have made my day. My grandfather John Menagh(1880-1960) has a sister Maggie Menagh(1884) who married Allan Hedley in Newtownards in 1908.They had 3 children Allen(1908) James(1909) Isabella(1912) and possibly Margaret(1919) and Edith(1920). I'm not convinced about Margaret and Edith. So Maggie Menagh Hedley would have been my great aunt. I have lots of information on the Menagh family and also on the Newtownards Hedleys. Allan Hedleys father was Kyle Hedley(1838-1916), Allan also had two sisters Sarah(1880-1962) and Isabella(1882), Allan was born in (1884).
If after this reply you sill think we are talking about the same people please contact me at
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I have photos of Maggie Menagh Hedley and her children.
Regards
Francie
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Hello David, you have no idea how long I have been chasing Hedleys. If you are connected to me it will just have made my day. My grandfather John Menagh(1880-1960) has a sister Maggie Menagh(1884) who married Allan Hedley in Newtownards in 1908.They had 3 children Allen(1908) James(1909) Isabella(1912) and possibly Margaret(1919) and Edith(1920). I'm not convinced about Margaret and Edith. So Maggie Menagh Hedley would have been my great aunt. I have lots of information on the Menagh family and also on the Newtownards Hedleys. Allan Hedleys father was Kyle Hedley(1838-1916), Allan also had two sisters Sarah(1880-1962) and Isabella(1882), Allan was born in (1884).
If after this reply you sill think we are talking about the same people please contact me at
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I have photos of Maggie Menagh Hedley and her children.
Regards
Francie
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Hi guys I am related to John Hedley 1828 brother of Kyle and my ggg grandfather.
He became an owner of a linen mill in Thomas st Newtownards and he had a son who I have been unable to find but his son Allan (john's grandson) took over the business. Alan had a son named (you guessed it ) Alan who had 2 sons, my father George and Stanley. In 1958 Alan migrated to New Zealand. If you would like to know more please let me know.
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I assume that your ggg grandfather John Hedley(1828) was in fact Kyle's half brother ?
If you have any photos of Kyle or his descendents I would be extremely interested.
I did notice a Stanley Hedley going to NZ while I was researching but he was a descendent of a different Allan. I do appreciate your interest though !
Regards
Francie
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Those are all great replies, an unmentioned historical document might exist.
The tithe applotment records for Newtownards were done about 1833, only the townlands of Ballyskeaugh and : Little Ballyskeaugh are online at http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/down/tithe-applotment-books/newtownards-parish.php#.VRkpJ0uDoYU There are no Brown or Hedley.
Does anyone know if the other townland listings exist in the Tithe Applotment Records collection at PRONI , I have extended the townlands to include some place names etc, just in case
Ballyalicock
Ballyalton
Ballybarnes
Ballyblack
Ballycullen
Ballyhaft
Ballyharry
Ballyhenny
Ballymagreehan
Ballymoney
Ballyreagh
Ballyrogan
Ballyskeagh High
Ballyskeagh Low
Ballywatticock
Bootown
Commons
Corporation North
Corporation South
Craigogantlet
Cronstown
Crossnamuckley
Cunningburn
Drumawhy
Drumhirk
Greengraves
Gregstown
Killarn
Loughriscouse
Milecross
Movilla
Newtown Ards town
Newtown Ards town
Tullynagardy
Whitespots
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Hi guys I am related to John Hedley 1828 brother of Kyle and my ggg grandfather.
He became an owner of a linen mill in Thomas st Newtownards and he had a son who I have been unable to find but his son Allan (john's grandson) took over the business. Alan had a son named (you guessed it ) Alan who had 2 sons, my father George and Stanley. In 1958 Alan migrated to New Zealand. If you would like to know more please let me know.
Hi I am Peter Hedley with family from Newtownards and have been trying to make sense of all the Hedleys in Newtownards (and connect them) for about 30 years. With little success unfortunately. Along the way various families have built up.
I have your Hedleys coming down from a John Hedley born in 1833 and married in 1859 to Annabella Finlay. Known children to me are James 1867-70, Jane b.1871 and Allen 1875-1917. This John was a Weaver from Thomas Street at marriage in 1859 and still a Cotton Weaver age 74 in 1901 and still in Thomas Street. Thomas Street had many Weavers houses.
I have the John Hedley born 1827/8 joining the Army at 19 with his brother Allen and going to Canada after the Crimea with the Army and staying there.
This could all be wrong. How good is your info?
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pete the john hedley who married anabella finley was William (at least according to the marriage certificate) I think it is likely to be William and susan perry also think it is the one who married Ellen cowan davey
John Hedley
mentioned in the record of John Hedley and Anna Finlay
Name John Hedley
Birth Date 1833
Age 26
Spouse's Name Anna Finlay
Spouse's Birth Date 1834
Spouse's Age 25
Event Date 06 Sep 1859
Event Place Newtownards, Down, Ireland
Father's Name William Hedley
Spouse's Father's Name Robert Finlay
Marital Status Widowed
Spouse's Marital Status Single
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Ajohn%7E%20%2Bsurname%3Ahedley%7E%20%2Bbirth_place%3Aireland%7E&collection_id=1584964
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Aye Davey that's my belief too both Johns were Weavers and sons of William (farmer) and yes it is probably the William who was married to Susan Perry but who knows. John Hedley and Ellen Cowan were married St Marks Ards 24 April 1854. Witnesses William Anderson and James Galbraith. John was resident of North Street then.
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I am eager to find the maiden name of 'Isabella Hedly' who was listed in the 1841 census of Newtownards as being a widow of Mill Street (the entry has survived thanks to the Old Age Pension claims). Isabella and her late husband 'Allen Hedly' had several children born in Newtownards between 1820-1836 and I am hoping that someone may perhaps have come across a baptismal entry in one of the local churches for this couple which might give her maiden name. After her husband's death in the mid-1830s she seems to have had two illegitimate children called James Brown and Kyle Brown. Again, if a baptismal record for these two boys survives it might hopefully mention what Isabella's maiden name was.
Jane Hedley was baptised 30 June 1823 in St Mary's Parish Church Comber, parents Allen Hedley and Isabella Browne, no address or date of birth recorded. Allen's likely brother Henry lived at Ballyloughan outside Comber on the lower slopes of Scrabo. Kyle and James Brown were born after Allen Hedley died about 1836 but must have been raised as Hedley like her other children. They probably never knew.