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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Warwickshire => Topic started by: sandiP on Monday 24 September 12 11:50 BST (UK)
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In March 1843 William Mould made a will and in a codicil he left money to a William "Arch"? who he says was the son of Henry Bateman deceased.
He left it in the the charge of Sarah Goldingay nee Bateman. The boys surname is unclear but is short and finishes "ch".
Sarah had a brother or half brother called Henry but I can't find a death of any Henry Bateman that fits the timescale.Brother Henry would have been only about 17 in 1843 if he's the father then William "Arch" ? would have been very young. and probably illegitimate .
William must have been under 21ys or the money would have been left to him directly.
In was in a codicil signed March 1843 so the death may have been very recent
Does anyone have a William Arch ?? Or Any ideas
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Can you post an excerpt of the Will, maybe we can make out what the "Arch" is?
I found this family in 1851:
HO107 2051 224 35
Mill Str Ladywood, B'ham
John Goldingay 45 rule maker bn E. Bromwich
Sarah 26 bn Aldridge Staffs
Charlotte 8 bn B'Ham
Eliza 6 bn Lte Bromage
John 4 mths bn B'ham
Caroline 4 bn B'ham
but this seems to lead back to this marriage:
Jul/Aug/Sep 1841 West Bromwich
John Goldingay/ Sarah Groom or Sarah Massey
so no Bateman!
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1841 Census
Castle Bromwich,
Aston, Birmingham, Warwickshire
HO107/1150/8/Aston
William MOULD, 75, Independant
Sarah GOULDINGAY, 25, Female Servant
Thomas Gouldingay, 4
William Gouldingay, 1****
Nearby is a Thomas Mould 50 and Wife Maria and Children.
Looks like the 1851 is a different Sarah Goldingay to me ???
THOMAS Goldingay Christened 04 Jan 1837, Castle Bromwich, Warwick, to WILLIAM/SARAH
I cant find a WILLIAM c 1840 to William/Sarah. Could this be the mysterious William ARCH*** ?
Trish :)
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Well done - that looks a better one!
I'll delete mine so we dont get confused
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William GOLDINGAY Married Sarah BATEMAN, 05 Sept 1836, Aston Juxta, Birmingham, Warwickshire
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Hi
Thanks for the prompt replies. Sorry I can't scan the copy of the will at the moment.
The William Mould in the 1841 census is the William who made the will.
The youngster William is his illegitimate son by Sarah Goldingay. The older boy Thomas is her husband's child. They had a daughter Betsey in 1843. He acknowledged both children as his in his will. William Mould Snr die in 1843.
Sarah's husband William Goldingay was transported to Tasmania in 1838. He was william Mould Snr's nephew via his sister Hannah.
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Sarah seems to have remarried by 1851 Census to Joseph Edwards.
Census is hard to read but William M Goldingay is down c 1847 age 4, image is 11 c 1840.
Kids are under Golway from Sarahs 1st Marriage.
Sarah Edwards is born c 1816, Birmingham, Warwickshire
HO107/2062/318/7
Marriage same Church as previous Marriage Joseph EDWARD/Sarah GOLDINGAY 25 March 1844.
Sorry cant see a William Arch* with her.
EDIT, your reply came through as I was about to post this, very interesting :)
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I think that William Arch?? is living with his mother somewhere not too far from Castle Bromwich, but where did the deceased Henry Bateman die and when.?
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I know this is an old thread but I have just come across a situation which may relate to it.
I was trying to follow an Edward WATTS and his wife Harriet nee Webster
(born Repton Derbyshire 1822)
I found they has a son Reuben born 1850 in Castle Bromwich in 1851 Piece: 2062
Folio: 316 Page Number:2
I can't find them in 1861 then in 1871 Piece:3124 Fo 107 p14 There is a John Goldingay with wife Harriet and a son Reuben which could well be them
and 1881Piece: 2995 Fo 118 P32 shows John and Harriet with a step son Reuben Watts which confirms my suspition that Harriet has indeed married John Goldingay The question being where and when did Harriet marry John Goldingay?
Are these related to the Goldingay's of this thread if so has anyone found a marriage for John and Harriet please?
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Hi Trees
I believe that your John Goldingay is probably the son of John Goldingay 1778-1858 and his first wife Elizabeth Mould, who died before 1841 when he is named in the census as married to Hannah who is however called Johanah in his will. John & Elizabeth has the following children that I know Eleanor 1805 who married Thomas Smith. Susanna 1808 who married Edwin Waldron, George 1810 who married Mary Ann Edwards and John bapt 1825 who I don't know anything about.
I have been studying the Moulds & Goldingays of Castle Bromwich for many years.
If I can help any more please ask
SandiP
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Hi first my apologies for not answering sooner i have been away from home.
Thank you for your information but I am not sure it is the correct john as Harriet's husband was 62 in 1881 ie born about 1819 and the one you mention was baptised in 1825 Do you know if the baptism entry mention an age at the time of the baptism or were there any other family members baptised at the same time? Do you have any idea where John may have married Harriett WATTS nee Webster?
I now think my couple are on the 1861 Piece: 2162 Folio: 78 Page Number: 20
As John R Goldingay age 43 (born 1818) Sparkbrook Harriet from Derbyshire with children Emily,Richard and Betsey all born( like me!) Castle Bromwich but they ARE with Susannah WALDRON b 1809 sister to John R which matches what you have for the family. So its the age of John that is the main problem was he baptised late and why? love to share your thoughts on this was the one baptised in 1825 given a second name beginning with R? I feel some more digging coming on
Glad to have a second pair of eyes on this one
:)
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Hi Trees : I have been away myself.
I have studied the Goldingays of Castle Bromwich until I am dizzy. John is a very common name but not Susannah. I have found 2 . One was born in abt 1808 to John G and Elizabeth nee Mould and one in the 1841 census born in about 1826 living with John G & Hannah. I have never explored this line thoroughly as they are a side shoot of my line. I believe the the older Susannah married Edwin Waldron in 1834 and the younger married William Austin in 1846 in Aston.
I have not found a marriage between a John G and a Harriet anything
Keep on looking