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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Kent => Topic started by: PrueM on Monday 17 September 12 22:59 BST (UK)
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My 5xgreat-grandfather, William CLARINGBOULD, a harness maker/saddler, died in 1860 and was buried aged 99 (so born about 1761) in St Margaret's churchyard, Barking, Essex. Prior to that he lived in Eastchurch (Sheppey) and Dymchurch, having been married in 1791 in Faversham. The 1851 census shows his birthplace as "Capel" - in the absence of anything more obvious, I've assumed that this is Capel (http://www.nwkfhs.org.uk/cape_plc.htm). Do you think I've assumed correctly?
He certainly got around!
I haven't been able to find a good candidate for his baptism and was hoping someone with sharper eyes might be able to find something or suggest parishes that I could search in case he was from somewhere in the wider vicinity of Capel...I would appreciate your help!
Prue
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Given that all the other parishes mentioned are in East Kent, I would probably suggest Capel-le Ferne (village between Dover and Folkestone) as more likely :-\
There is William CLADENBOWL (sic) baptised in Hougham (neighbouring village) 26 Aug 1764 son of William and Sarah http://www.familysearch.org ???
Casalguidi :)
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Ah, see that is the kind of local knowledge I needed - thank you Casalguidi!
I will investigate that William and see where he takes me :)
Prue
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It can be a bit of a complicated area with parts of it being rural still today. Dover "town" is now extended to include part of Hougham but seeing as he says Capel I'd suggest it was what is now the more rural part so to speak. Much of Capel comes under Folkestone now but their refuse is collected by Dover District Council ::)
For this particular William I'd concentrate on Hougham and Capel with possibly extending out to Alkham, River, Dover and Folkestone if necessary http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=hougham&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&sa=N&tab=wl
Casalguidi :)
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Thank you for those extra pointers, I will certainly follow up on all your suggestions. :)
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There is a baptism in Capel le Ferne as follows:-
1767 Feb 15 Elizabeth d/o William & Sarah Cladenbole
and earlier in Hougham
1761 Ann d/o William & Sarah Cladenbowl
Maybe of some help.
Regards,
Tony
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Thank you Tony, I shall note those down for reference :D
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Another one for you to consider as a possible generation earlier and in Capel le Ferne.
1737 Aug 28 William s/o William & Jane CLARINGBOLD
??? ???
Tony
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Thanks Tony - there aren't a whole lot around with this name so it's possible that they are all connected.
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There are a few CLARINGBOULDS and variants listed on the Romney Marsh Baptisms index
http://www.woodchurchancestry.org.uk/romneymarshbaptisms/index.php
Make sure you click the soundex box as this is a name that has many variants.
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Thank you bearkat :) I will certainly check those out. Yes - there sure are LOTS of ways of spelling the name :o ;D
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Quite a lot around the Deal/Walmer area with varying spelling depending on how far back you go. CLADINGBOWL, CLADINGBOWLD, and so on.
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Thank you AJ100 :)
I can envision my hunt becoming a one-name study as I try to collect all the "possibles" for my fellow ;D
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I am looking for a possible missing link in my Sandy Family. They appear in Chartham in the late 1600s and I have found quite a few in St Dunstan, Canterbury (1564 to 1683) but as yet have not been able to cross the divide. :(
Stop rambling and get to the point. ::)
Whilst going through the St Dunstan PRs yet again I noticed Claringbole (+ variations) There are quite a few in St Dunstan but I am afraid I didn't take any further notes apart from the first one.
This was the marriage of Richard to Jane Beek 20 May 1627.
Maybe another one to put down for further reference. ???
Regards,
Tony
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;D Thank you Tony :)
I will add that one to the list as well - thank you for the note.
I've started collecting all the Claringbolds (+var) from the censuses and if I ever get time will not only attempt to follow up my William (HOW I wish he'd left a will!!) but start a study of the name. Just got to get through the next 30 years to retirement, first :P
Prue
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Strewth Prue!
30 years to retirement. Knowing that, I am not sure if it shows you are doing something you enjoy, or the exact opposite! ???
It’s twelve years since my first early (for one day) retirement. Hated the tick box culture my job had become. Eighteen months later terminated my temporary contract; left work Saturday noon and was on a plane to Brisbane the next afternoon. Whoop, whoop! ;D ;D
Did go back about 6 years ago for three months; the lure of filthy lucre; plsssst. ;) What is the saying “Fools rush in where angels fear to tread.” I was still there over nine months later before leaving after ten. I didn’t quite jump on a plane the next day; it was about a month, this time, before I headed to Oz. My bolt hole in times of ………. 8)
There I go rambling again. :-X
Another one for you to file away for later reference. A marriage at St George’s, Canterbury dated 26 April 1736 between William Claringbold and Jane Sparks which took place under Licence. The marriage can be found on Family Search but not the detail that William was of the Parish of Hougham and Jane was from Capel-le-Ferne. ???
Best wishes,
Tony
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Thanks for the further lead, Tony :)
Yes, I'm doing something I love, but I'm also "only" in my early 40s, so unless we hit the jackpot between now and 70-ish, I'm doomed to work ;)
P.S. Am from SEQ originally. Just been up in Brissie this weekend for a wedding. I do miss it.
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Hi,
Just wandering ! the surname is quite common to the Faversham area since about 1147 a prior was appointed with the name of "Clarembald" there is a margarett Claringbould burial for 1644 in Faversham also there is an area called "Lady Capel" if it may be of help.
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Thank you, Romany Knaves, that's definitely something to bear in mind. Every little bit of information will help to solve this puzzle, so I appreciate your input!
Prue
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hHi Pru, I have done a lot of research on the Claringbolds
this gives the baptism of William parents Richard and Mary and the baptism of 4 out of 5 children with his first wife Judith
http://woodchurchancestry.org.uk/romneymarshbaptisms/results.php
You searched for Claringb for the year range 1750-1911.
There are 13 baptisms that match your search criteria.
Year Day/Month Name Parents Parish
17 1764 11-Oct Thomas CLARINBULL otp Ba B Mary HAINES otp Sp Phil Coleman Jose. Rolfe
90 1786 9-Aug William ROLFE otp Wdr B Mary CLADINGBOULD otp Wid Jn Raisbeck Richd. Rolfe
1765 14 July CLARENBOOL Mary Thomas & Mary Dymchurch
1771 10 February CLARINGBOLD Thomas Thomas & Mary Dymchurch
1772 23 February CLARINBULL Richard Richard & Mary Dymchurch
1774 26 June CLARINBOLD Jane Thomas & Mary Dymchurch
1775 09 July CLARINGBOLD Susanna Richard & Mary Dymchurch
1777 26 January CLARINBOLD Elizabeth Thomas & Mary Dymchurch
1777 23 May CLARINBOLD John Richard & Mary Dymchurch
1780 12 March CLARINBOLD William Richard & Mary Dymchurch
1787 24 June CLARINGBOULD Rebecca Richard & Mary Burmarsh
1793 20 September CLARINGBOULD Elizabeth William & Judith Brookland
1796 23 October CLARINGBOULD William William & Judith Dymchurch
1799 27 July CLARINGBOLD Thomas William & Judith Dymchurch
1803 14 January CLARINGBOLD Ann William & Judith Dymchurch
robert
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Thank you very much Robert :) Are you related to the family?
Incidentally, for all following this thread, I have recently (very recently - the past few weeks) been in touch with several Claringbold cousins here in Australia, who I never knew existed, who are descended from the same William of Dymchurch...our combined forces may have cracked William's origins. When I'm back on my own computer, I'll be able to post the information, just to close things off.
Prue
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Hi Pru, I'm sort of related, a Claringbold married into my tree, and I live in Kent and I visit Dymchurch on a regular basis. and I have lots of Kent parish records.
regards robert
attached a photo I took of the church wardens in dymchurch William 1n 1800
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Hi Pru, where do you fit into the claringbolds from dymchurch? I'm not sure if I have any moving down under.
On a separate note, have you been in contact with aussieterry, he has many hundreds in his tree, and sent me the research for the start of a one name study.
I have some more data from Dymchurch if you are interested
Robert
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Hi Robert,
William C is my 5xgreat-grandfather. He and his first wife Judith had a daughter Lydia, who married a Bigg from Sheppey, and that's my line.
There are a few Claringbold descendants in Oz who come from the same William through Lydia's brother (also a William) and we have recently found each other via the internet. William Junior had three sons - William, Augustus and Alfred - all of whom emigrated to Australia. I had no idea of this until I met my "new" cousins.
I'm not familiar with aussieterry - is he on Rootschat? Interesting that you are doing a one name study, I had the same idea of doing one but I know it will be years and years before I get around to doing it, so it's all yours ;)
I would be interested in any Dymchurch info you have that might be relevant :D Thank you!
Prue
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Hi Robert & others following this thread and Hi Prue too of course ...
Robert, I'm one of Prue's Aussie cousins mentioned by Prue. Thank you for contributing to this thread. You say you have many Kent parish records and I have done quite a bit on the Claringbold families of Kent.
I've been researching my Claringbolds for many years and up until fairly recently, Prue,myself and other cousins here were a bit stuck. Now though, having made a few breakthroughs and sorted some of the family out in Kent, I can confidently say that we are now back to Thomas CLARINGBOLD who married Ann PEIRCE on 26 Nov 1711 at Cathedral, Canterbury.
It seems that Thomas and Ann (aka Elizabeth) only had two children, both christened in Hougham:
1. William chr.14 Sep 1712 Hougham md. Jane SPARKS 26 Apr/May 1736 St.George's, Canterbury
By License. William was of Hougham and Jane was of Capel-le-Ferne.
2. Ann chr.31 Mar 1717 Hougham md. John FRYER 01 Oct 1738 Hougham
It seems William & Jane had only three children:
1. Anne chr.22 Aug 1736 Capel-le-Ferne
2. William chr.08 Aug 1737 Capel-le-Ferne
3. John chr.06 Jan 1739 Capel-le-Ferne
Their son William (#2 above) md. Sarah BOURN 18 Oct 1760 Hougham and also had three children:
1. Ann chr.16 Aug 1761 Hougham
2. William chr.26 Aug 1764 Hougham
3. Elizabeth chr.15 Feb 1767 Capel-le-Ferne
Then William (#2 above) had three marriages:
m1. 06 Jul 1791 in Faversham to Judith (Judeth) WINCLES
*** 5 issue (Lidia, Elizabeth, William, Thomas & Ann)
m2. 13 Aug 1806 in Mersham to Mary VIGDEN
*** no issue
m3. 10 Jul 1823 in Dymchurch to Ann (Anne) WILLIAMS (nee REEVE)
*** 2 issue (Alfred & Ann/Anne)
This William chr.1764 Hougham, died 31 Aug 1860 Romford, Essex, age stated on DC is 99yrs.
This William was the one who was the Churchwarden & Overseer of the Poor at Dymchurch in 1800.
What next?
Confirming the christening and parents of Thomas CLARINGBOLD (NB: his surname was recorded as CLADENBOWL in the Hougham parish records when his two children were christened).
There are 2 or 3 prime candidates from the Canterbury area.
Any ideas Robert or anyone?
Cheer for now, Bonza
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Hi Bonza,
Thanks for your email and details of your research. I can see you logic but need convincing.
My email is email address removed by moderator, please use the secure Rootschat personal message system to exchange personal email addresses, thankyou and am happy to share any resources that I have
I am with you regards to William
Then William (#2 above) had three marriages:
m1. 06 Jul 1791 in Faversham to Judith (Judeth) WINCLES
*** 5 issue (Lidia, Elizabeth, William, Thomas & Ann)
m2. 13 Aug 1806 in Mersham to Mary VIGDEN
*** no issue
m3. 10 Jul 1823 in Dymchurch to Ann (Anne) WILLIAMS (nee REEVE)
*** 2 issue (Alfred & Ann/Anne)
This William chr.1764 Hougham, died 31 Aug 1860 Romford, Essex, age stated on DC is 99yrs.
This William was the one who was the Churchwarden & Overseer of the Poor at Dymchurch in 1800.
The 1851 census has William living with his son Alfred (you can get an image of the pub on Google maps Street view) it states his place of birth is capel. The marriage records of Romney Marsh lists Williams 3rd marriage as living on the isle of Sheppey, ie Eastchurch which is where he is living on the 1851 census
Kent, England, Extracted Parish Records about Wm Claringbould Ann Williams
Text: Wm Claringbould Of Eastchurch wid & Ann Williams of Dymchurch wid, at D. 10 Jul 1823.
Book: Volume 35
Collection: Kent, Surrey, London: - Canterbury Marriage Licences, 1810-1837 (Marriage)
Marriage Dymchurch PR, William Claringbold, Widower of Eastchurch in Sheppey Isle and Ann Williams, Widow of this parish, married by licence 11 July 1823. Wits Eliza Webster & William Holmes
groom's name: Wm Claringbold
bride's name: Ann Williams
marriage date: 11 Jul 1823
marriage place: Dymchurch, Kent, England
indexing project (batch) number: I00784-7
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1786434
groom's name: Wm. Williams
bride's name: Ann Reeve
marriage date: 17 Oct 1803
marriage place: Dymchurch, Kent, England
indexing project (batch) number: M01339-0
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1751815
Is this capel near Tonbridge or Capel-le-Ferne (Hougham) ?
I can’t find any Claringbolds around Tonbridge so I agree with Capel-le-Ferne and its close neighbour Hougham.
My thoughts went with the Dymchurch records ( I went to the Dymchurch history society meeting and photographed all the claringbold records.
These are also available (free) on the Woodchurch history website (Romney marsh indexes)
William is there with his wife Judith and children.
There are also Richard and Mary and Thomas and Mary
http://woodchurchancestry.org.uk/romneymarshbaptisms/results.php
You searched for Claringb for the year range 1750-1911.
There are 13 baptisms that match your search criteria.
Year Day/Month Name Parents Parish
1765 14 July CLARENBOOL Mary Thomas & Mary Dymchurch
1771 10 February CLARINGBOLD Thomas Thomas & Mary Dymchurch
1772 23 February CLARINBULL Richard Richard & Mary Dymchurch
1774 26 June CLARINBOLD Jane Thomas & Mary Dymchurch
1775 09 July CLARINGBOLD Susanna Richard & Mary Dymchurch
1777 26 January CLARINBOLD Elizabeth Thomas & Mary Dymchurch
1777 23 May CLARINBOLD John Richard & Mary Dymchurch
1780 12 March CLARINBOLD William Richard & Mary Dymchurch
1787 24 June CLARINGBOULD Rebecca Richard & Mary Burmarsh
1793 20 September CLARINGBOULD Elizabeth William & Judith Brookland
1796 23 October CLARINGBOULD William William & Judith Dymchurch
1799 27 July CLARINGBOLD Thomas William & Judith Dymchurch
1803 14 January CLARINGBOLD Ann William & Judith Dymchurch
I would make the assumption that Richard & Thomas are brothers/uncles so I have been searching for the 3 names together.
I can follow much of your research and have found most of the records in my collections although I don’t have any records for Capel-le-Ferne and its close neighbour Hougham apart from what is on Familysearch.org
I would like to see a Richard and Thomas in your work to be convinced
Regards Robert
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Hi Robertsear
Thanks for your reply and information. I've got a few things on today, but I'll email you soon about your queries and to share info.
I believe I've been able to place Richard, Thomas & William together too.
Look forward to it and thanks again for responding.
Cheers for now, Bonza
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Hello all!
I know this is an old post, but if any of you are still on here, I would love some more information on this line. William (b. 1712) is my 8xGreat Grandfather. I have been compiling some genealogy for my wife and I and, unfortunately, my trail goes cold with Thomas Claringbold (C.1670). I might have a lead on Thomas' grandfather, but have a real dearth of information regarding his birth and parents. Any new leads?
Thanks!
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Hi Andrew
Thank you for your Board Post about your 8x Great Grandfather William CLARINGBOLD b.1712.
We have found the above William's 1712 baptism along with his father Thomas' 1711 marriage and 1736 burial, but I'm unaware that we've made any definite progress with Thomas' baptism or parents since. I have a feeling we had identified some potential matches, but had not yet found the confirming linking records.
Hopefully the others in this thread may be able to chip in on this question also.
I think perhaps we need to exchange some info, so I'll private message you with my email and we can chat about it all a bit further too if you like.
Cheers for now, Neil
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Hi Andrew, I agree with Neil,
I am happy with the evidence for Thomas Claringbold c1670 and Ann Pierce c1679 to 1744, clearly there are connections to Hougham, but I can't find a baptism for Thomas in Hougham c 1670. Unless we are very lucky, there will little or no evidence to link any Thomas Claringbold from a surrounding area to our Thomas Claringbold. Still we live in hope
Robert
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Hi all
Unfortunately Prue hasn't been online here since Dec 2013 and isn't getting notifications or receiving pm's now.
And for AClaringbold to use the pm system, they will need a higher post count, one more reply here should do it.
http://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php
Dawn
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The marriage between Thomas Claringbold and Ann Peirce (sic) took place under Licence, dated 26 November 1711. The Allegation and or Bond made to obtain the Licence may have more information; hopefully the ages of the parties. The detail I have is that they were both of the Parish of Hougham. Thomas was a Bachelor and Husbandman and Ann was a Spinster. The Allegation and Bond, if they still exist, will be held in the Archives at Canterbury Cathedral.
Regards,
Tony
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I have read the Hougham Parish registers, the only thing I could come up with is attached
baptism of Ann Pierce in 1679 daughter of William and Susan
Robert
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Hi Robert
Could you please remove the image and just post a link or transcription to prevent breaches of copyright?
Thanks
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Thank you all so much! My immediate family didn't know much about our past and this has been very helpful. I have a couple of leads on other Thomas Claringbolds from the Canterbury area, one born c. 1600 the other c. 1632, but I haven't been able to find any documents linking them to our Thomas who married Ann, so it's just conjecture at this point.
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There are a few CLARINGBOLDS listed among The Roll of the Freemen of the City of Canterbury from A.D. 1392-to 1800
http://preview.tinyurl.com/City-of-Canterbury-Freemen
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Thanks for that bearkat
the whole book is available for free at
https://ia802302.us.archive.org/0/items/rolloffreemenofc00cantrich/rolloffreemenofc00cantrich.pdf
robert
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Going back to the Marriage Licence (26 November 1711) I mentioned earlier, I inspected the Allegation at Canterbury this morning. There was no Bond to be found!
The Allegation stated that both Thomas Claringbold and Ann Peirce were 30 years of age! They both may have been 30 but, my feeling is that both parties were above thirty years of age. ???
Regards,
Tony