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Hi help please
Would anyone be visiting the Lancashire Archives please look up a marriage in 1911 (I'd like to be sure before I send off for it.)
Parents and occupations on the following wedding certificate
John Bill Downes Weaver 1889/90 born Dudley
Married Mary Ann Collins 1895
1911 St Johns The Baptist Earlstown vol c page 273
We know Johns dad is George weaver
Unsure about Mary it's either Thomas or Michael Collins
I'd love to visit myself but too far away
Thanx in advance :-)
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Hi
To narrow any search you need to include details of which quarter it took place in.
Freebmd shows it was in the September qtr
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I don't think the Archives hold the wedding certificates, and in any case you can't simply look at them! You have to pay.
They will hold the parish registers, but not sure that will have the information you require?
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Are you sure that Lancashire Record Office has the church registers. I can't see them on their catalogue. It might be worth ringing them to check. Apologies if you've already contacted them and know they're there.
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Thanx Gibel for the advice
I don't want the cert from them as I know they dont do that, I just want to check I have the right family from any records if that makes sense, Before i send off for it.
Going to take a chance and going to send off for cert thanks :-)
I Emailed them here is there response
This Office holds church records of christenings, marriages and burials for several churches in Lancashire, and you can see a list of these churches on our website www.archives.lancashire.gov.uk This lists the churches we hold records for alphabetically (I believe the marriage registers for Earlstown may still be at the church), and gives information on the covering dates for christenings, marriages and burials and the formats they are available in. There are separate lists for C.E., R.C. and Non-conformist churches.
Still learning all this, I'm getting confused :-(
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What they are saying is that they hold the Parish Registers, and not the Civil Registration documents (Marriage Certificate).
Marriage certificates can be ordered at https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp
Or from St Helens Register Office
http://www.sthelens.gov.uk/what-we-do/births-deaths-and-marriages/certificate-copies/
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They're also saying that they believe the parish registers for the church in Earlestown are still at the church.
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Hi
Lancashire Record Office doesn't have the Parish Registers for St John the Baptist, Earlestown. The church is in the Diocese of Liverpool but Liverpool Record Office doesn't have the registers either. St Helens Archive does have an Index of marriages in the St Helens area, this does include St John the Baptist but it probably won't have any more information than on LancashireBMD.
There is no mention of the location of the Parish Registers on LancahireOPC or Genuki, this suggests that most likely the Registers are still held by the Church. You could contact the Church and check the location of the Registers, if they still have them they may be prepared to tell you the information you require.
Andy
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Maybe someone more local can advise ...
would Earlstown come under Newton Le Willows or Wigan and Leigh ???
1895 on www.lancashirebmd.org.uk
Mary Ann Collins Wigan and Leigh .....mothers maiden name AUSTIN WIG/197/409
Mary Collins Newton Le Willows St Helens NLW/55/3
if ...Earlstown DOES come under Wigan and Leigh ...it`s possible that Mary Ann Collins mother was
1887 (lancashirebmd) James Collins to Margaret Austin Wigan and Leigh ROW/64/62
maybe worth checking out ...BUT ...doesn`t match your thoughts of Thomas or Michael as fathers name ???
allan
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would Earlstown come under Newton Le Willows or Wigan and Leigh ???
Newton-in-Makerfield, aka Newton le Willows!
So, Warrington district
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Thanks KGarrad...so that last post of mine is not our Mary Ann Collins......
at least it crosses 2 off the list ...
cheers
allan
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Hi
If I have the right family then Mary was born in Earlestown but father Michael was born in Ireland and mother Elizabeth Ann born in Derbyshire
There is a marriage for a Michael Collins June Qtr 1895 Warrington Reg Dist Vol 8c Page 221 and on the same page is an Elizabeth Ann Houghton.
Ideally need to confirm the fathers name from 1911 marriage, and Marys address to see if it matches 1911 census.
Andy
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Hi
According to Familysearch.org Michael Collins and Elizabeth Ann Houghton married 06 Apr 1895
Emmanuel Church, Newton-In-Mackerfield (sic), LancashireBMD hasn't indexed marriages from this church yet.
Andy
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Thanx all
If this helps i've asked our family and Newton Le Willows is a place name our relatives are sure Mary Ann was born Or lived
..as for fathers name family are going on memory what they were told as kids, Michael as fathers name ???from Killarney Ireland
Thanx again 8)
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Received John & Mary's marriage certificate. (am I sad to get excited over a certificate )
Reads
30th sept 1911 at the Parish church, Parish of Earlstown Lancaster
John Bill Downes 22 bachelor labourer 40 cherry st Father George Weaver Puddler
Mary Ann Collins 21 spinster 302 crow lane west Father John Collins Collier
Witnesses Joseph Humphries & Frances's Humphries
John born Dudley
Mary Ann believe to be born Warrington not Ireland
Thanx
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Sorry to duplicate some of this post but can't see where to edit last post to add further info from families memories.
Received John & Mary's marriage certificate (am I sad to get excited over a certificate )
Reads
30th sept 1911 at the Parish church, Parish of Earlstown Lancaster
John Bill Downes 22 bachelor labourer 40 cherry st, Father George Weaver Puddler
Mary Ann Collins 21 spinster 302 crow lane west, Father John Collins Collier
Witnesses Joseph Humphries & Frances's Humphries
So following on from this it does all connect with sister frances on 1911 census in Lancashire
John born Dudley
Mary Ann born Warrington not Ireland, her father John was born Ireland,
Family also believe from info passed down through generations that Johns father is Michael Collins, but I'm not sure
Would be grateful for any further help to prove the above.
Thanx
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John Bill Downes Weaver born September 1/4 1889 Tipton, Staffordshire (Reg: Dudley)
Father George Weaver (Puddler) mother Hannah all born in Tipton
in the 1901 Census his sister Frances Humphries and her husband Joseph are living with the family in Tipton so it would appear to be the right family as they witnessed John B. Downes Weavers marriage.
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1911 Census - Information removed. Please see here:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,355484.0.html
Looked back in the Census records and they always lived in Crow Lane West (no mention of Ireland)
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Oops sorry bout the above.
If its possible could you post or message me the other censuses with the Collins family Crow Lane details.
Thanx appreciate the help 8)
Mandy