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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: BETTS7 on Monday 17 September 12 12:01 BST (UK)
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I have been looking at ancestors from Norton in the Moors in Staffordshire and have got back to 1666. All the village information I can find says that the church there was built in the 1800's so where would these marriages, christenings, etc. have taken place before that? Also, the names are unusual e.g. Johannis, Mariae, Janae, Ranalphus, Richardus, etc. Are these normal names for the time?
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Names would be Latin forms. Some information and examples here:
http://www.freereg.org.uk/howto/latinnames.htm
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From GENUKI
http://www.genuki.org.uk/
Church of England Registers
The register of the parish church of St Bartholomew commences in 1574. The original registers for the period 1574-1964 (Bapts), 1574-1970 (Mar) & 1574-1905 (Bur) and Banns for the period 1823-1851 are deposited at Staffordshire Record Office.
Bishops Transcripts, 1660-1852 (with gaps 1667, 1669-77, 1747-51 & 1767-70) are deposited at Lichfield Record Office.
A transcript of the registers for the period 1574-1751 & 1754-1837 was published in two parts by Staffordshire Parish Register Society in 1924 & 1943 and has been reprinted by the Birmingham & Midland SGH.
The register of St Anne, Brown Edge commences in 1845. The original registers for the period 1845-1943 (Bapts), 1845-1933 (Mar) & 1845-1919 (Bur) are deposited at Staffordshire Record Office.
Bishops Transcripts, 1851-1852 (Bur only) are deposited at Lichfield Record Office.
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Thank you. Are you saying that there was a church called St Bartholomew before the present one which was built in 1738?
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I just had a thought ....
I have been looking at ancestors from Norton in the Moors in Staffordshire and have got back to 1666. All the village information I can find says that the church there was built in the 1800's so where would these marriages, christenings, etc. have taken place before that? Also, the names are unusual e.g. Johannis, Mariae, Janae, Ranalphus, Richardus, etc. Are these normal names for the time?
How could you have got back to 1666 if you say that the church was only built in the 1800s? ;D Don't you have sources for the bmd's for your family, which should say which church the events occurred in .... :-\
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The link I provided says the church was rebuilt in 1738, so presumably there was already a church on the site prior to this, and the records commence in 1574.
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From the catalogue for Staffordshire RO:
"Norton-le-Moors, St Bartholomew, Formed 1779, formerly chapelry of Stoke on Trent St Peter EP" ie it became a parish in 1779, prior to that it was a chapelry under the parish of St Peter in Stoke. Other chapelries seem to have few marriages - these being mainly at the parish church so prior to 1779 you may find there are more for Norton people in the Stoke registers than in those of Norton.
Registers held at Stafford
Bap 1576-1964
Mar 1576-1970
Bur 1576-1957
Registers held at Lichfield
Bap 1660-1852
Mar 1660-1851
Bur 1660-1852
http://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/leisure/archives/services/publications/GuidestoSources.aspx
is the link - C of E registers held are in the first Guide to Sources as a PDF download.
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Thank you - I think that explains it although the church records I have been looking at show christenings & marriages in the 1600's at Norton in the Moors so I was unsure if a church had existed before the one built in the 1800's which I guess must be the case if the register commences in 1574.
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Hm have you seen the Penkhull thread? They are looking for info on a William Meare b. 1520
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Thank you Zen rabbit. I will try and find it.
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Hi,
Im a descendant of William Meare 1520, can I help in anyway?
Donna
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Hi Donna,
It would be good to compare.
My grandma was called Eliza Mayer Stephenson and it took many years to find out why Mayer.
Where shall we start? I go back to 10 something now. have not done any tree for a while as a little twig was added via my daughter 17months ago!!!
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Hi caerfai
Yes it would be lovely to compare :) my email is tocarielle@hotmail.com and Im also on ancestry. At the moment Im doing some archival research on the Mere's of Norton Green and will let you know what I come across, I also have access to the Staffordshire baptisim records so can search some of your ancestors for you if you let me know what you are looking for.
Donna
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I have traced Ranalphus Poynton b.1573 married Jane Meare
son Ranalphus Randell Poynton b.1595
His son Johannis Poynton b.1621
His son Meare Poynton b.1667
Thereafter names of descendents are Phillip b.1708
Thomas b.1753 then William b.1802 then Thomas b. 1825
then William b.1863 then William b 1910 (my Grandfather.)
So strange names seem to be a thing for those years
Regards Don
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This thread is of interest to me as I too have ancestors from Norton in the Moors.
myrdon, you have a John Poynton mentioned, born 1621.
I have him as the husband of Mary Lane, married 14th May 1655 at Norton in the Moors.
They had a daughter, Ann, baptised 7th Feb 1658 at Norton.
Mary died and was buried 27th June 1663 at Norton - “wife of John Poynton”.
John Poynton then remarried 25th Oct 1666 Frances Rose at Wolstanton - just 4 miles away.
Mary Lane was the daughter of William Lane, who in his will of 1676, leaves “Anne Poynton my grandchild twenty shillings”.
Anne's brother, Richard Lane, is my 9 x great grandfather.
So I'm not quite related to you! but the families would have known each other back then,
I have been searching for Manorial documents for Norton in the Moors to see if there was any more information about my family.
Not an easy task!
The village and surrounding area was not owned by one ‘Lord of the Manor’, and there are pertinent records all over the.place. There are some Norton in the Moors Rent Rolls at Birmingham Library (who are decidedly unhelpful - you cannot even get copies of things from them. The only way to get anything is to visit in person. As I live on the other side of the world, that is not going to happen!).
There are quite a lot of Norton Court Rolls at Staffordshire Record Office, who will search them for you (at a cost of course - not too unreasonable). There are also a lot of records at Keele University Library Special Collections including those for the Manor of Tunstall (under which a lot of Norton and surrounding areas came).
I have came across an interesting document which mentiones Randall Poynton.
I don’t know if you have seen it.
It is on the Norton in the Moors Rent Roll for “the last day of May’ 1608.
This is at Birmingham Library, but I found that familysearch has filmed some of these Rent Rolls - so you can look at them for free on their website.
Unfortunately, my Lane family don’t seem to appear in these documents, or in the documents at Stafford Record Office, but I have found some mentions of them in the documents at Keele University Library Special collections, which was very exciting!
The clip reads: (I hope I’m not treading on your toes here!)
Badyley
Richard Meare and
Randulph Poynton for the ] xij s iiij d
moyty of one Messuage called ]
the hall of Badyley and the ] ij capons
moytie of one cottage there
John Meare for the other moyty ] xij s iiijd
of the said messuage Cottage ]
and landes thereto belongyinge ] ij capons
Randulph Poynton for an Acre of land
in Haddfeild(?) als the ferme by lease ] vj d
There is a Baddeley Green now at Norton in the Moors.
The ‘capons’ will be hens. I have an ancestor who lived in Derbyshire and had to provide a capon “sound and well carved” a year as part of his rent.
I'm guessing either Richard Meare, or John, were the father of Jana Meare married to Randall Poynton, but can't see a baptism for her. As you know, the early Norton registers are in a poor state, with missing years.
There are lots of mentions of 'Meare' people in these Rent Rolls.
I haven't seen any more Poynton names, but then I have not checked them all thoroughly - as I say, I was looking for the name Lane. They would be worth looking at if you haven't already seen them.
Happy hunting! :)
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Thanks Goldie61 for info I have not seen
A young lady surnamed Poynton supplied my sister with husbands
named Meare from Hugh Meare 1555 back to Gilbert de Mere 1090
Hugh was father of Jean Meare 1575 who married Ranalphus Poynton
and the start of my tree
Never found a Poynton before him
If any one interested in the Meare ancestory send a message
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Sorry to jump into an old chat but I've only just found RootsChat and only just found my Pointon family in Norton. if anyone descended from William Maere 1520 previously chatting here or more recently John Pointon 1621 chatted about in this thread is on ancestry/myheritage or has a well researched tree of these lines I'd love to hear from you.