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searching for parents of sarah ann chapple, born 1854 in Avenel, Victoria. Sarah married John Anderson "George" Robertson and died in Avenel in 1924. any info about parents would be most appreciated. Thanks.
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from some ancestry trees (so needs to be checked)
parents Charles Chapple (jun) and Elizabeth Ann Woods
She was friends with Ned Kelly :o
There are photos of her and John and of many of her children
regards,
Ros
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Birth:
CHAPPEL Sarah Ann b. 1855 AVENEL #2214
Father: Chas
Mother: Elizth WOODS
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Death:
ROBERTSON Sarah Ann 69yrs d. 1924 AVENEL #7929
Father: Chappell Geo
Mother: Elizth UNKNOWN
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Rosball, there was a rumour about Ned Kelly being "close"!!! Keep digging!!
Thank you so much Merlin for the dob and dod - could Dad's name be a combination of the two names together?
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There is a wonderful memorial to them in Avenel
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Deaths:
CHAPEL Charles (born SOME) d. age 36yrs 1855 #2168
Father: Charles
Mother: Elizabeth UNKNOWN
TAYLURE Elizth Ann age 88yrs d. 1904 AVENEL #3554
Father: Woods Robt
Mother: Grace GORDER
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Marriage in the UK:
CHAPEL Charles m. WOODS Elizabeth Jun qtr 1843 Langport in the county of Somerset #10/681
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/
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Her mother Elizabeth WOODS remarriages:
CHAPPLE Elizabeth m. MILLS John 1855 #3069
MILLS Elizabeth (born SOMERSET) m. HOLMES John 1869 #1422
HOLMES Elizth (born ENG) m. TAYLURE Edw Chas 1890 #6046
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Elizabeth Taylure (nee Holmes) death notice
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article10319502
regards,
Ros
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Thank you everyone sincerely - you've assisted me again - thank you :)
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Hi there,
My name is Karen and I am from Sarah Ann Chapple ...Her daughter Elizabeth born in 1872 was my Great Grandmother...I have lots of info on this family line.....Would love to hear from you....FYI....after Sarah's father died her mother married another 3 times.....Regards Karen King.
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Hi,
I'm trying to find out information about Elizabeth Woods (Sarah Ann Chapple's mother) and her second husband John Mills (born London, approx 1820, occupation recorded as tailor on marriage to Elizabeth Woods in 1855, later recorded as 'gentleman' on son Matthew;s wedding certificate in 1888). It appears he disappeared off the scene not long after their youngest son Matthew (our family link) was born in 1867. Elizabeth remarried to John Holmes in 1869. As far as I can tell John Mills was still alive for some years afterwards.
we'd love to know if anyone has any information/links/snippets regarding this John Mills.
Cheers,
JL
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Hi JL66
Do you have the marriage certificate of John MILLS and Elizabeth CHAPPLE/ (nee WOODS later HOLMES later TAYLURE)?
It should show the names of the father of both parties.
This would assist in searching for John’s death
Sue
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Thanks for the quick reply :)
I do have the marriage certificate and it shows John Mills parents names, although his mother's surname is unclear. I suspect he may have left Victoria as I have not been able to locate a death certificate in Vic. I shall have to broaden my search. I'm curious about the circumstances surrounding their separation - I've looked for divorce records but not yet found anything in their names.
I'm assuming that the seven children they had together were then brought up with Elizabeth's third husband John Homes, and that they remained in Avenel. Various descendents of the seven children have truned up still linked to Avenel. The original John Mills is however quite elusive!
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Thanks for the quick reply :)
I do have the marriage certificate and it shows John Mills parents names, although his mother's surname is unclear. I suspect he may have left Victoria as I have not been able to locate a death certificate in Vic.
So, did you want to share this information in hopes someone may assist?
Sue
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Yes thanks,
JL
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So what were the John MILLLS parents' names?
What other records do you have about him and his activities?
Sue
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The information I have on John Mills is:
Born in London, approx 1820.
Father: John Mills (tailor)
Mother: Sarah Melton (?)
Married Elizabeth Chapple (nee Woods) in 1855. Married in Avenel, Victoria, Australia. His occupation is listed as 'tailor'.
Together they had eight children:
Jane - m- Thomas John Ford in 1875
John
Amelia
Elizabeth
Maria
Elijah
Matthew - m- Marion Hunter McKenzie in 1888
John and Elizabeth must have separated some time between 1867-1869.
John was still alive in 1888 as he is listed on his sons wedding certificate - occupation 'gentleman'
This is all I have managed to find out so far.
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In the column for fathers name on the marriage cert for Matthew.
Is there any indication for living or deceased?
If there is not, he may well have been dead at the time of the marriage. You did not have to be alive to be listed as a parent on a Marriage Certificate
Who were the witnesses on the certificate ?
A Death
MILLS John
Father John
Mother Sarah UNKNOWN
Age 52
Birth Place LOND
Year 1867
Reg 9648
(Bear in mind also Elizabeth may have simply be "saving face" when she uses her deceased husband's name as father of the child. It was not uncommon ;D)
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There is no provision for identifying parents as deceased on Matthews certificate, so you may be right. Witnesses to Matthew and Marion's marriage were James McKenzie and Annie McKenzie.
I know that on John Mills and Elizabeth Chapples marriage certificate it identifes Elizabeth as being a widow (deceased husband Charles Chapple) so perhaps there might be a similar classification on Elizabeths marriage certificate to her subsequent husband post John Mills.
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I know that on John Mills and Elizabeth Chapples marriage certificate it identifes Elizabeth as being a widow (deceased husband Charles Chapple) so perhaps there might be a similar classification on Elizabeths marriage certificate to her subsequent husband post John Mills.
This may not be a very reliable strategy. Elizabeth could say what she liked regarding her status. No proof was required.
The only way to be certain of the identity of the John MILLS I have listed is to download the Death Certificate.
The age of the man is out by a few years.
Sue
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Cheers Sue - I think that's what I'll have to do.
Thanks for your help with this :)
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Cheers Sue - I think that's what I'll have to do.
Thanks for your help with this :)
You're welcome.
Yes, when it is the direct ancestral line it is often worth the few dollars spent ;D
Sue
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You were right - I've found him!
Thanks again :D
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Wonderful!
BTW, Off track, but have you seen this lovely picture of eldest daughter Jane?
http://www.fordsofkatandra.com/index.php/component/content/article?id=93:example-layout-page
Sue
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Hi,
I am from Sarah Ann Chapple , Elizabeths daughter to Charles.......John Mills did die in 1867....I have got Elizabeths death certificate as well :) Quite happy to share my e mail with you if you like ?
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Hi,
That would be great. I'd love to find out more about Elizabeth and her children.
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Have sent you a pm with my e mail address
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Ta. Just sent you email.
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Are you still searching for information about Elizabeth Chapple (nee Woods), 2nd marriage to John Mills?
I was a Mills. My father is a great grandson of John Mills, grandson of James Mills (13 kids), son of Harry (Henry) Mills (2 sons). My Aunt, a Mills by marriage, has researched the Mills family extensively.
If you wish to find out more about John and Elisabeths kids - they had 7 together. She had 6 with Mr. Chapple, only 2 survived George and Sarah. She married John Holmes 2 years after John Mills died then Ed Taylure in 1890, 7 years after John Holmes died. Popular lady.
Regards
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Hi, I am new to this site.
If you are still looking into Elizabeth Chapple (nee Woods). John and elizabeth had 7 kids (2 died), she had already had 2 of her 6 born while married to Mr Chapple. She married J. Holmes in 1869, 2 years after John Mills (my great, great grandfather died in 1867, aged 52. After Holmes dies in 1883, she married E. Taylure in 1890. One popular lady. She died 1904 aged 88. Just been for a trip with my dad to the area and cemetary. I am from the James (b1858) child of the John Mills mob. He married Jessie Shovelton. They had 13 kids, my grandpa was one of the youngest. My dad is one of his 2 sons, now 90. If you wish to hear any more about the James Mills side please contact me. Regards W.
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Hi,
Yes I would be interested to find out more about the Mills family-my investigations have stalled after managing to trace the basics of my partners ancestral line. My partner (John Mills) is a great, geat grandson of the original John Mills who migrated to Australia. His Great Grandfather was Mathew Mills - the youngest son of John Mills and Elizabeth Woods. His Grandfather was Francis (Frank) Mills-oldest son of Mathew Mills and Marion McKenzie.
I'm particularly interested to know if you have information on John Mills' family history prior to leaving England?
Cheers,
JL
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Hi Jenny Lynn,
I'm Wendy. Father is Norman, grandfather Harry (Henry), G-grandfather James Mills married to Jessie nee Shovelton.
James father, John Mills b 1820 married Elizabeth Chapple b 1825 (nee Woods).
Elizabeth married Charles Chapple in Somerset UK, had son George, then came out to OZ. She had Sarah in 1855 (+4 deceased kids prior). Charles drowned in 1855 then she married John Mills also in 1855 and went on to have;
Jane 1856, Matthew 1857 (your partners relative), James 1858 (my GG), John 1859, Eizabeth 1861 (dec), Elizabeth Maria 1864, and Elijah 1865 (dec).
Matthew married Maria Hunter Mckenzie.
John Mills died in Avenel in 1867 at 52 yrs still married to Elizabeth.
Elizabeth then married John Holmes in 1869. He died in 1883, then she married Edward Charles Taylure in 1890. She died in 1904 aged 88
John Mills (a tailor) born London 1815 came to Oz in 1852-4, then married Elizabeth in 1855 in Avenel.
His father another John Mills (? b 1786) also a tailor, and mother nee Sarah Mellon (b 1801) lived in Pembrokeshire?
My aunt, a Mills by marriage, has done all this work and I haven't gone any further except for my own fathers side. My grandfather (Harry or Henry), was 1 of 13 kids to James b1858, and Jessie Mills b1866, (John and Elizabeths 3rd child, 2nd son). Jessies father came out from England on the ship 'Great Britain' in 1862 with his widowed mother, married in Melbourne and had 10 kids - but a different family to the one you are looking for.
I have recently driven up from Melb. with my father (90yrs) and sister to the areas from which the Mills family came. i.e. Avenel, Katamatite, Bunganail etc. James Mills owned properties up that way and a couple of cousins up there are still alive. There is a story that the Kelly gang did rob a couple of uncles of their lunches one fine day and also that James owned a share in a gold mine for a short time. Fat lot of good that did him. They were a poor family of farmers, raising 13 kids in 2 separate houses on the 'Boozey' creek.
I hope that is of some help with your research. REGARDS WENDY
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I know this topic is a few years old, but I've just come across it.....My Great Grandfather CHAPPLE George, shows on his marriage announcement in 1884 that his father was the late CHAPPLE Charles of Avenal, Victoria.....anyone still investigating this family......
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Sorry....I should have included that it stated that he was the eldest son....fairly elusive character prior to his marriage.....
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This message is posted on behalf of wendox26 who sent the message to me in error.
"Hi Clats,
I am John Mills relative who married Elizabeth Chapple in 1855. She had George and Sarah (+ 4 deceased kids), in England, before she emigrated to Oz. Elizabeth married John in 1855 the same year Charles died (drowned) in Avenal.
I know nothing of of her first lot of kids, or her marriage to Charles, and little about her 3rd or 4th marriages and exra kids to them. Must have been popular and lived a long life."