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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Glamorganshire => Topic started by: BinturongBethy on Friday 14 September 12 19:25 BST (UK)
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OK so I've been trying to find my grandad on the 1911 census. His details are as follows :
Glyndwr Morris
Birth 30 Jan 1909 in Port Talbot, Neath Port Talbot, Wales
Death 03 Feb 1994 in Surrey Northern, Surrey, England
His mother was Frances Elizabeth Agland born in 1889
His father on his birth cert is listed as John Davies, He is Glyndwr Davies on his birth cert
But on his marriage cert to my nan, his father is John Benjamin Morris.
I have no other info on either Mr Morris or Mr Davies.
My grandad never knew about this Mr Davies bloke until he ordered a copy of his birth cert as an adult. Apparently my great grandmother just decided to change his name to Morris one day and it stuck.
I cant find any info about my grandad, not even his birth. I have found his mother, and have found info on him as an adult ie marriage, death.
Its bugging me to the point of annoyance!!
Please is there anybody who can help??? ???
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Hi,
Have you tried using his mother's surname of Agland to find your grandad?
JJ
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Yep. Ive tried all name combinations, and no surname too
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By doing a free search there is a Glynwr Agland b.1909 and in the same household is Frances E Agland b 1889 and a Willie Agland 2 months. Living in Bedwellty, Monmouthshire. Hopefully that will help you to locate them on the site you have access to.
JJ
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Seems he must have know his birth name was Davies to order his birth certificate?
There is a record in the freebmd indexes
March 1909, Glyndwr Davies, vol 11a page 1040
There is no record of a Glyndwr Agland, and there is no Neath record of a Glyndwr Morris.
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Thank you, although just to confuse matters even more, as far as I can gather, he had an uncle who was a simillar age to him give or take a year called Glyndwr Agland.
I have no idea of the details about how he found out his "real" name, only that he didnt find out until he was an adult and needed to get his birth certificate for something. Maybe his mum fessed up?
My mum (Glyndwr is my dads dad) has told me that he managed to track down some of his family in wales and that he had half siblings but we dont know their names or anything about them. He left no clues and there is a story that after he found out that his "dad" wasnt his real dad his younger half brother insisted that he give him the pocket watch that his father had left to his eldest son, as his younger brother then discovered that he was infact John Morris's eldest son. Very sad, my grandad apparently gave him the watch and never spoke to him again.
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YES!!!! Thank you :) All the names are spelt wrong but thats them!! (I think) Thank you thank you thank you!!
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This chap on 1911 might also be of interest
MORRIS JOHN BENGIEMAN M 1873 38 Bedwellty Monmouthshire
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it might be a complete coincidence but there's a John Davies lodging with the Aglands in 1901 - he's around the same age as Frances' parents
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Yeah Ive found the 1901 with John Davies... Ive often wondered if he is the Davies connection. but havnt found anything about him either.
Im so excited about this!!!
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By doing a free search there is a Glynwr Agland b.1909 and in the same household is Frances E Agland b 1889 and a Willie Agland 2 months. Living in Bedwellty, Monmouthshire. Hopefully that will help you to locate them on the site you have access to.
JJ
can't find a Willie or William Agland birth registration, but have found
Willie Morris
Jan-Feb-Mar 1911
Bedwellty Vol 11a page 169
Fits being 2 months old. Could suggest the two boys have different fathers?
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I think it must have been Willie who took the watch from my grandad after John Morris died. I just spoke to my dad who says he thought his his uncle was called Bill.
So yes I think they had different fathers, although my grandad always used the name Morris and was unaware that John Morris was not his father until the birth cert was brought up. I think that the copy I have of his birth cert (without looking to be certain) is date stamped 1937 which i think is about the year my grandad got married. On the marriage cert it lists John Benjamin Morris as his father, but he is diseased.
I think that this discovery has created a lot more questions than answers!!! The plot thickens!!!