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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Breconshire => Topic started by: sasha12 on Wednesday 12 September 12 20:20 BST (UK)
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Hello,
Does anyone have any info about the following:-
Elinor
Birth1746 in Devynock, Breconshire, Wales;Death10 JAN 1836 in Devynock, Breconshire, Wales. Her maiden name unknown.
She married William Powell (Gent) born 1743 Cwm Padest, Breconshire died 1795 in Devynock. A daughter Margaret born 1775 in Devynock
Margaret married a Morgan Morgans born 1777 in Llwyll, Brecon, died 16 Aug in CefnCoed, Cymmer, Devynock.
children Rachel born 1802 in devynock and John
Rachel married a Thomas Powell born 1800
Many thanks.
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Welcome to Rootschat! ;D
There's a will online at the National Library of Wales of a William Powell, yeoman farmer of Devynnock. The will was written in 1784, proved 1794, the executrix being William's widow Elinor.
The will mentions various relatives, but not a daughter Margaret, or any children for that matter. Bequests go to
nephew Penry (?) Powell, under 18 at time will was written, son of William's brother Thomas
nephew William, under 18, son of deceased sister Margaret Jones
brother John Powell
sister Ester, wife of John Thomas
Anne Lloyd, under 21, daughter of John Lloyd, deceased, of Trallong
another daughter of the same John Lloyd, also under 21, called Ma???
Thomas, under 21, son of the same John Lloyd
nephew John, son of John Thomas
Watkin, son of brother-in-law Harry Lloyd
nephew Thomas, son of brother Thomas
All the bequests except one are to be paid only if Elinor isn't pregnant at the time of William's death.
http://cat.llgc.org.uk/cgi-bin/gw/chameleon?skin=profeb&lng=en
Margaret's baptism appears in 1776
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Thank you for that information which I shall look into.
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My gd.mother was a caretaker in Cwmpadest in the 1920s-1940s, for Miss Powell W.S.Mare. David Lewis farmed at the time. I have a lot of data on the family. A will of ca 1700 divides up a large estate in Defynog & the Powells got Cwmpadest, Cwmnewynydd, Gochgarreg & Pentreucha. My cousins now farm Cwm---& Goch---. I have covered all the areas which you mention. Much of my data comes off the deeds of Pentreucha.
Elinor 1836 left a will. My surveys for Defynog P.Ch. & Horeb Cray contain graves for this family. The family has a Rev. who seems to have been without a church! This email comes from my local library.
Cefncoedycymmer is not in Defynog, it is on the N.edge of the coalfield close to Merthyr Tydfil.
Garfydd
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Garfydd,
Many thanks for the info on the Powells of Cwmpadest, all very interesting. What a coincidence that your Grandmother was a caretaker there. I would be grateful for any further information.
I googled a few names at the weekend and got in touch with a lady from NZ who it seemed was researching the same family back in 2006. I seems that her ancestor Mary and my Elinor were sisters and the brother was Walter Powell Attorney for Brecon. The parents being David and Margaret Powell of Abersenny. It seems there is a connection with Clydach Ironworks.
I have been told that there should be some information in the Book History of Brecnok by Theophilus Jones (must have a read of this book) Do you know if the Morgans were related to the Jeffreys of Llywel?
I wonder if you can help with Elinor's daughter Margaret who married Morgan Morgans from Llywel, the daughter Rachel married a Thomas Powell who I believe might have been a Blacksmith in Devynock. I would love to find out where they are buried. I have visited Devynock Church on a few occasions but at the time the graves I found with the surname Powell did not ring any bells.
Thank You.
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Sasha 12 your line= jenkin Jones will 1716
Mary Jones=Wm.Powell 1717
Llewelyn Powell=Margaret Powell, bond 1740 M.I.
William Powell=Elinor Powell 1774 M.I.
Llewelyn Powell=Gwen Watkins M.I.
William Powell single will/admon. 1894 M.I.
sister Mary single will 1893 M.I.
M.Is at Defynog Church & Horeb C.M., Cray re my surveys.
Will check reconstructions for the Morgan Morgan thing.
The connection with Abersenny is by marriage?, will check my recons. I am not confident that Walter Powell family is linked with that of Cwmpadest, will check my records . Powell is a very frequent name in S.W.Brecs-most unconnected. All Welsh surnames were patronymic up to ??? Garfydd
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Thanks for that info.
I have been given a copy of a Powell Tree (I think it is from book THE HISTORY OF BRECKNOCK)
On it it lists a Elinor Powell who married a William Powell of Cwmpadest, her sisters are Sarah, Mary, Margaret and a brother Walter. The name Walter, is in my line my Grandfather, Ggrandfather and GGgrandfather.
Will try and find further information at the weekend.
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Treat the Theo.Jones Powell tree with caution. He gives few, if any, dates and I cannot always match all of his with the church registers. The tree on p.252(vol.4?) can be used but I have detected errors-he used gravestones at Defynog Church for some help.
garfydd
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Many thanks for that info, I thought it odd as there are no dates on the Tree.
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Bit of a thread hijack- sorry!! - but I saw Powell, Morgan and Devynock and got all excited!!
These names all show up in the Powell of Glyntarell tree by Theo. Jones (History of Brecknockshire, Vol.2, p. 687)
My interest is in the Davies family but I would love to know more about Lewis ap Hoel ap Lewis (Lewis Powell Lewis) who is head of the tree and any advice on how to trace the various places mentioned - I assume they are farms etc - would be great.
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There's a will online at the National Library of Wales of a William Powell, yeoman farmer of Devynnock. The will was written in 1784, proved 1794, the executrix being William's widow Elinor.
The William and Elinor POWELL that Sasha is looking for lived and farmed at Cwmpadest. Their son Llewelin and then his children lived at Cwmpadest until the 1890s, so I don't think that the above William, yeoman of Devynock is the right one. :-\
I am not confident that Walter Powell family is linked with that of Cwmpadest …
I would agree that Theo JONES should be treated with caution, but in mitigation in this instance:
- Theo JONES had a very distant connection to Walter POWELL (attorney of Brecon) through Walter's wife, Ann PRYTHERCH of Llandeilo'r-fan.
- Walter and Theo were both living/working in the town of Brecon at the same time, probably in the same 'social' set.
- Walter POWELL and his partner John JONES were witnesses to Theo's will written 1810.
It would be nice to imagine that Theo checked with Walter about his family before publishing his History.
In Walter POWELL's will of 1824, his sister Elinor POWELL (and/or her children) was to receive one-sixth of his estate which included his share in the Clydach Ironworks.
A Bill of Complaint was made in 1836 against the executor of Walter's will (John JONES) for not trying hard enough to sell Walter's interest in the Clydach Ironworks. The plaintiffs included Llewellyn POWELL and Margaret MORGAN widow — two of Elinor's children(?)
... but I would love to know more about Lewis ap Hoel ap Lewis (Lewis Powell Lewis) who is head of the tree ...
I don't have a full version of Theo JONES' History so can't comment on the Glyntarell POWELLs. What is Lewis ap Hoel ap Lewis' wife's name, and their children's names?
Sasha
I have a paper photocopy of Elinor's will which is a bit easier to read than on the NLW website. I'll dig it out and send you a copy later today.
Cheers
Koromo
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No wifes name listed - sons listed as Hugh Powell, who married Lucy (daughter of Rees William John Vychan) and John Lewis Powell, who married Elinor.
Hugh Powells line ends up at Lewis Powell, a Vicar at Donnington and Esther Powell, who married William Davies of Bronllys Castle.
William Daviess Granddaughter - Esther - married Richard Banks, who I can trace my male line back too.
This tree was one of the first bits of information I had at the start of my journey and I've always wondered if there was more to know about Lewis ap Hoel ap Lewis, abd William Davies for that matter but haven't ever got around to looking in to him/them!
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Hi bean
No, must be a different (branch?) family. Attorney Walter POWELL's father was Howell POWELL (1680-1758) of Baylie, Devynock, whose father was Lewis POWELL of Senny, Devynock, whose father was Howell LEWIS of Senny.
As Garfydd has said, the POWELL name was very common in the Devynock area, and damn near impossible to disentangle.
Good Luck with your lot! :)
Koromo
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There are an awful lot of Davies families in that area and they are all related, as far as I know. There is a book called Roots & Branches by T O Evans which traces the roots of some of the families of the area but I'm not sure whether or not your Davies roots are included, obviously.