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So far my research on this family pre-1800 has been via trees on FamilySearch etc - often to be taken with a grain of salt! So this is a request for a lookup of the original record.
My ancestor William Wilson was christened (maybe born) in Overton on 30/12/1781. He took his mother's name, Anne Wilson, a sure sign that she wasn't married. There is a fair amount of anecdotal evidence that the father was Richard Parry Price, the local squire (despite the fact that he refers to his then lawfully wedded wife, Anne Puleston, in his will, as 'my dear wife' and she to him on his memorial as 'a tender husband').
Does anyone know if the father's name is given on the christening record, and if so, is it Richard Parry Price? And as a supplementary, is there a record of another child, Charles Wilson, born to Anne Wilson and Richard Parry Price, christened (or born) 7/9/1766?
Incidentally, William Wilson died at 40, leaving a widow Catherine nee Davi(e)s. I have good documentation for the conversion of her, as a widow, and some of her children to Mormonism at an early date - and for her emigration to America by sailing ship then steamboat on the Mississippi, finally at 60 being one of the oldest women to undertake the overland trek to Salt Lake City only a year after Brigham Young founded the settlement in Utah. She died in Utah at the age of 96. They don't make them like that any more!
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Although much later I have Wilson family from Overton in my Tree starting with a Charles Wilson born in 1811.I don't have access to the Overton records here at home but if you are prepared to wait a little I will shortly be viewing them at the Clwyd FHS Resource Centre at Cefn Mawr.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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http://freespace.virgin.net/jill.farndon25/index.html
Well there certainly are those names in the Transripts.
Key. 8 Overton Vol 3(2) Baptisms 1755-1782 Burials 1755-1782
8 Overton: WILSON Ann, Anne, Charles, Christian, John, Mary, Thomas, William;
8 Overton:PARRY-PRICE
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Although much later I have Wilson family from Overton in my Tree starting with a Charles Wilson born in 1811.I don't have access to the Overton records here at home but if you are prepared to wait a little I will shortly be viewing them at the Clwyd FHS Resource Centre at Cefn Mawr.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
Family trees on Ancestry.co.uk have Charles Wilson b 1811 Flintshire m. Sarah Griffiths (b. 1811 Erbistock Denbigh) ; parents Charles Wilson( b. 1789 Overton) and Elizabeth Jones (b. 1793) m. Overton 30/7/1810 - not guaranteed reliable but may give you a quick entry to the search. If you come across either Charles b 1766 or William b 1781 do let me know
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http://freespace.virgin.net/jill.farndon25/index.html
Well there certainly are those names in the Transripts.
Key. 8 Overton Vol 3(2) Baptisms 1755-1782 Burials 1755-1782
8 Overton: WILSON Ann, Anne, Charles, Christian, John, Mary, Thomas, William;
8 Overton:PARRY-PRICE
Thanks - I need to look at the original (so must travel up to Flintshire some time) to check that Anne Wilson and Richard Parry Price are explicitly linked.
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Yes with regards to the Charles Wilson(1811),he did indeed marry my relative Sarah Griffiths.It might have been my Tree you were looking at!I will check again this Charles's baptism when I go to the Clwyd FHS Resource Centre at Cefn Mawr.Who knows he may connect with yours!
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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As you've mentioned Trees on Ancestry,there is one which has my Charles Wilson as being the son of a Charles Wilson born Overton in 1790.This Charles in turn is Given as the son of a Charles Wilson and an Ann "Byolin" who married in Overton in 1786.There is no birthyear for this Charles though.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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The baptism only has Anne Wilson named, you can view it on the Findmypast site.
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Thanks - I'll go to the local Record Office which subscribes to FindMy Past and have a look.
Going back to the original question, we've now turned up Robert Wilson's burial records from Cassia, Idaho, which name his father (the reputed son of Richard Parry Price) as "William Price Wilson"
http://www.interment.net/data/us/id/cassia/oakley/oak_nz.htm
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I am curious if anyone has been able to confirm if William Wilson is in fact the sun of Richard Parry Price?
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Not an easy thing to confirm, as Richard Parry Price would not have wanted to publicise the liaison!
However I have traced oral tradition handed down, all slightly different but independent, from four of William Wilson's children
1. from Margaret Wilson's (b.1812) descendants, that Ann Wilson was housekeeper and mistress of Richard Parry Price
2. from George Wilson's (b. 1815) descendants; a descendant by marriage of his daughter Phillis sent a document typed by her father-in-law which says "the family attended the funeral of Squire Price and at that time were told that he was their grandfather" [George Wilson is my ancestor but I am descended from one of his sons, not from Phillis] - but the dates don't fit this claim as Richard Parry Price died in 1782 when William was only a year old, let alone grandchildren not then born!
3. from Richard Wilson's (b.1817) descendants; a document on familysearch.org which is a transcription of an account of Richard's son David with his grandmother Catherine (William Wilson's wife), and says that Ann Wilson was set up in a villa at Lightwood Green (part of Overton) where William Wilson's children were born (and Lightwood Green is where the local brickpits are; William Wilson became a master(?) bricklayer)
4. from Robert Wilson (b.1819) more directly; his burial record from Cassia cemetery, Idaho, gives his father's name as William Price Wilson
Richard Parry Price married Anne Puleston in 1764; William was born in 1781 when she was still alive (in fact she outlived Richard) and the Puleston family have rejected with disdain any suggestion that Richard had a mistress. But it is curious that Richard Parry Price and Anne Puleston produced a child within a year of marriage but none thereafter. Were marital relations all they should be? despite a touching memorial to Richard erected by Anne in St Mary's, Birkenhead.
And finally, analysis of the document from familysearch.org (above)suggests that the Ann Wilson who was the mistress may not have been, as some internet trees have it, the daughter of William Wilson but instead the daughter of his cousin Charles. This William and Charles were both butchers in Overton, so probably in partnership; the birth of daughters called Ann, one in 1741 (to Charles) and one in 1743 (to William) is recorded in the parish registers; but one of them died in 1768, and the registers don't say which!
I reckon that the balance of probability is that William Wilson was Richard Parry Price's son, but it is still probability! Are you also a descendant of William Wilson, and if so on what branch? Let me know if you need any of this as documentation.
David Wilson
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Hi David,as you will see from my earlier reply to the thread,I have descendants in my Tree of Charles Wilson(1811) in my Tree.Charles was to marry my relative Sarah Griffiths at Erbistock in 1833.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Thanks for sharing David!
William and Catherine's son Robert is my 4th great-grandfather. From there I am a descendant of Robert's son Robert Caleb Wilson b. 1849.
I have only been doing research for about a month or so in my free time so any help you can give me would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
Derek
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Just wondering if the Puleston in this thread listed links back to the Puleston line at Erbistock?
I assume they do in some way.
Regards Darryl Price