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Title: Alice & Daniel mcmillan
Post by: theresaw1 on Wednesday 12 September 12 18:41 BST (UK)
Daniel & Alice married in Glasgow on the 21st of April1885. Daniel was a widower aged 33. How can I find out who his first wife was?
Title: Re: Alice & Daniel mcmillan
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 12 September 12 18:58 BST (UK)
Hi

Where was Daniel born? 

Does the 1891 census show any children born before 1885?  If so - you could lookup the birth on Scotlands People

I can't see an 1891 or 1901 entry for a Daniel McMillan married to an Alice
Title: Re: Alice & Daniel mcmillan
Post by: sancti on Wednesday 12 September 12 19:04 BST (UK)
Does his death record give his 1st wife's name?
Title: Re: Alice & Daniel mcmillan
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 12 September 12 19:06 BST (UK)
Found Alice in 1891 (I think) 38 King St Glasgow aged 34 occ shopkeeper.  has a 2yr old son Daniel b Glasgow

Brother Andrew McLelland living with her

Is this the right 1891 entry?
Title: Re: Alice & Daniel mcmillan
Post by: theresaw1 on Wednesday 12 September 12 21:50 BST (UK)
He died in 1889 one week after his son Daniel was born he died at sea.
Title: Re: Alice & Daniel mcmillan
Post by: theresaw1 on Wednesday 12 September 12 21:56 BST (UK)
Carole W  He was born in Glasgow as far as I am aware  the 1891 census you have is the correct one. She remarried shortly after that. Just can't find any info on 1st wife no name.
Title: Re: Alice & Daniel mcmillan
Post by: theresaw1 on Wednesday 12 September 12 21:59 BST (UK)
Sancti  Have not seen a death record for Daniel The information I have came from his sons birth certificate.
Title: Re: Alice & Daniel mcmillan
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 13 September 12 00:54 BST (UK)
From the 1885 marriage cert - who were his parents?

You would need to search SP for Daniel McMillan marriages and match the entries to his parents

It sounds as though he was a mariner and there is an 1881 entry for a Daniel McMillan b 1855 Saltcoats Ayr - a little younger I know - he was moored in Lisbon aboard the Iberia on census night

The 1861 census shows his mother as Margaret

 
Title: Re: Alice & Daniel mcmillan
Post by: sancti on Thursday 13 September 12 11:57 BST (UK)
Assuming his age is right giving him a birth c1852 you could check marriages for him 1868-1885 and cross reference with female deaths for his 1st wife
Title: Re: Alice & Daniel mcmillan
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 13 September 12 13:54 BST (UK)
1861 has these Daniel McMillans with birthyears 1851-1853

1851 b Glasgow living with grandparents Daniel & Mary

1851 b Kirkmaiden Wigtownshire - father John occ carter

1852 b Rothesay Bute - parents John (occ clothier) & Annabella

1852 Glasgow - parents John (occ shoemaker)  & Ann

1853 b Cathcart Renfrew - parents William (occ agric labourer) and Marion
Title: Re: Alice & Daniel mcmillan
Post by: sammc on Wednesday 22 May 24 11:54 BST (UK)
He was my great grandfather. There is confusion over his year of birth as his marriage certificate shows him as aged 33 (in 1885) but his death at sea entry shows him as age 32 (in 1889). His parents were Hugh McMillan and Christian or Christina Ferguson.
Title: Re: Alice & Daniel mcmillan
Post by: Forfarian on Wednesday 29 May 24 21:03 BST (UK)
Hugh McMillan and Christn Fergusson had a son John baptised in Balquhidder in 1839.

In 1841 in Strathyre, parish of Balquhidder, are
Widow Ferguson, 60: Chirstan Ferguson, 25; John Fergsuon, 20; John McMillan, 1.

in 1851, at 39 West End, Callander, are Hugh McMillan, 37, born Strontian, Argyll; Wife Christian, 33, born Comrie, Perthshire; John, 10 and Duncan, 6, both born in Balquhidder; and Daniel, 3 and Mary 1, both born Callander.

So Daniel was born in 1847/1848 in Callander, Perthshire.
Title: Re: Alice & Daniel mcmillan
Post by: sancti on Wednesday 29 May 24 22:38 BST (UK)
Marriage of his parents

MCMILLAN
HUGH
&
CHRISTIAN FERGUSON
02/06/1839
331
30 / 84
BALQUHIDDER

Title: Re: Alice & Daniel mcmillan
Post by: sancti on Wednesday 29 May 24 22:47 BST (UK)
Could this be him with 1st wife on 1881 census?

First name(s)   Last name   Relationship   Marital status   Sex   Age   Birth year   Occupation   Birth place
Daniel   McMillan   Head   Married   Male   33   1848   Ship rigger   Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Mary   McMillan   Wife   Married   Female   32   1849   -   Stranraer, Wigtownshire, Scotland
Daniel   McMillan   Son   -   Male   8   1873   Scholar   Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland

Title: Re: Alice & Daniel mcmillan
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 29 May 24 23:31 BST (UK)
Could this be him with 1st wife on 1881 census?

Daniel McMillan   Head   Married   Male   33   1848   Ship rigger   Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Mary   McMillan   Wife   Married   Female   32   1849   -   Stranraer, Wigtownshire, Scotland
Daniel   McMillan   Son   -   Male   8   1873   Scholar   Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland

Could this be him

Daniel Mcmillan
Birth Date   28 Feb 1873
Birth Place   Anderston, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Father Daniel Mcmillan Mother Mary Garrett
Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

Added

Mary Garett
Marriage 17 Nov 1871 Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Spouse   Danile McMillen
Scotland, Select Marriages, 1561-1910

Edit you would need to purchase m/c from Scotland people to confirm his father’s name

MCMILLAN
DANIEL
GARETT
MARY
1871
644 / 6 / 474
BLYTHSWOOD


MCMILLAN
DANIEL
GARRETT
MARY
1871
644 / 6 / 474
BLYTHSWOOD
Title: Re: Alice & Daniel mcmillan
Post by: sammc on Thursday 30 May 24 16:22 BST (UK)
Hugh McMillan and Christn Fergusson had a son John baptised in Balquhidder in 1839.

In 1841 in Strathyre, parish of Balquhidder, are
Widow Ferguson, 60: Chirstan Ferguson, 25; John Fergsuon, 20; John McMillan, 1.

in 1851, at 39 West End, Callander, are Hugh McMillan, 37, born Strontian, Argyll; Wife Christian, 33, born Comrie, Perthshire; John, 10 and Duncan, 6, both born in Balquhidder; and Daniel, 3 and Mary 1, both born Callander.

So Daniel was born in 1847/1848 in Callander, Perthshire.

In the 1861 census, at 43 Main St, Callandar are Hugh McMillan, 47; wife Christian 45, grandmother Christian Ferguson, 85; Donald (not Daniel), 13 and Mary, 11.

I will check the 1851 census, but it's probably Donald, not Daniel, age 3. If Daniel had been born in 1847/48 he'd have been 37 or 38 when married in 1885, not 33 as recorded (which could have been wrong of course) and 41 or 42 when he died at sea.
Title: Re: Alice & Daniel mcmillan
Post by: Forfarian on Friday 31 May 24 08:50 BST (UK)
The given names Donald and Daniel can be used interchangeably, so I wouldn't worry about a Donald suddenly turning up as Daniel, or vice versa.