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Does anyone have any information on the above names?
Here is the information that I have so far sourced...
Lucy Ellis B:1904 (Grimsby)
Sister Sarah B:1887?
Brother John B:1901
Lucy married Arthur Edward Robinson and they lived in Liverpool.
Arthur Edward Robinson B:?
Father Arthur Robinson B?
Mother Margaret Warren B:1879
Margaret Warren Father James Warren B:1852
Mother Winifred B?
Unsure of where James and Winifred originated from so possibly a stab in the dark...
Many thanks in anticipation
Nicola
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St Michael in the Hamlet,Aigburth
14th August 1897
Arthur Edward Robinson,22,bachelor,baggage porter.of Eversley Street
Margaret Elizabeth Warren,21,spinster of Hinkle Street
grooms father Thomas Robinson,deceased ,publican
brides father James Warren,joiner
married by banns
witness to marriage Herbert Molyneux and Jane Fell
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Thank you...
Great help as always...
:) :) :) :) :) :) :)
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Mount Pleasant chapel Liverpool
19th August 1877
born 11th July 1877
Margaret Warren
father James mother Winifrid ,nee Roberts
father a joiner
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Liverpool St Bride,
27th May 1875
James Warren,full age bachelor,joiner of 24 Upper Duke Street
father Edmund Warren,joiner
Winnie Fred Roberts of full age spinster of 24 Upper Duke Street
father John Roberts deceased
married by banns
witness to marriage Margaret Williams and William Jackson Hill
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1881 census
135 Chatham Street Liverpool
RG11/3623
James Warren,joiner aged 28,Pembroke Dock Wales
Winifrid,aged 36,Wales unsure of place
Margaret aged 3
Ellen aged 1 both girls born Liverpool
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Hi
Right starting with the Ellis's
Mother Lucy Ellis born 1880 Liverpool
Brother John Mathew born 1901 Liverpool
sister Mary elizabeth born 1907
brother Robert Henry born 1909
sister Amy born 1911.
Her father is a John Matthew Ellis born 1880 in 1901 he's a fisherman from Liverpool
wife Lucinda 21 ,son John M 5 months and sister Sarah E Ellis 14 dom servant(all from Liverpool and at Grafton St Toxteth prk).They married Liverpool Dec 1899 8b 281 ,her maiden name Curran.He dies and is burried at Yew Tree Cemetery 9.7.1936 age 56 grave 1058 at 107 Rice Lane.He's a catholic.And a James Clarke from the same address has been buried the same day age 64.He was baptised at St Peter's Priory 9.6.1880 born 11.4 s of John Ellis and Ann Mchale.wit Patrick McHale.
In 1881 they are at 4 Feather St
John Ellis 19 painter Liverpool
Ann 20 same
John M 1 same
They supposedly have another 15 children but as I can't spot them on other census,Ileave that to you.They married 3 Mar 1880 Liverool St Nicholas
John Ellis 19 printer Vernon St s of John Ellis Diver
Ann McHale 18 Highfield St d of Patrick McHale lab.
The wife Lucy Ellis died 22.11.1918 Yew Tree Cememtery age 38 105 Upper Mann ST grave 585.She was baptised St Vincent de Paul d of John and Ellina Curran nee Murphy 23.11.1879 born 12.11.1879.
1881 9 Ashwell St celler
Henry Murphy 50 lab Ireland
Lucinda 50 ireland
Helen Curran 27 daughter Ireland
John Curran 30 lab Ireland
Lucinda 1 Liverpool
William swords 40 lodger pensioner Ireland married
Ciderdrinker
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Thank you....
Lots to look at and consider....
Thank you again :) :) :) :) :)
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1891 11 Ashwell St
John Curran 45 ship scraper Liverpool
Mary E 37 Ireland
Lucinda 11 liverpool
John H 9
Daniel 61901 same but without Lucinda.By 1911 Mary E has died.
They married at St Vincent de Paul 30.7.1871
John (Joannan)Curran 19 Ashwell St s of Jacobi Curran and Mariam Helenum Murphy of the same d of Henry Murphy,(it's in latin)Which suggests he is the son of James Curran and Mary Cunningham baptised at St Patrick's 14.11.1844.
1901 Bedford St Liverpool
James Warren 49 joiner Pembroke dock
Winifred 56 Cardiganshire
Margaret Robinson 23 Liverpool
Arthur 1 Liverpool
Otto Webber 38 lodger s ladies tailor Germany
By 1911 Arthur Robinson junior is alone so perhaps his father or mother or both died.
1861 Pembroke Dock Meynell St south
Edward Warren 38 joiner Pembroke dock
Elizabeth 37 Pembroke
George 14 pembroke dock
James 9 and Ann Twigg 18 servant Pembroke.
Ciderdrinker
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Possibly burial for Winifred but needs corrobaration
Winfrid Warren
widow
aged 78 years
abode .Olive Mount cottage home wavertree
buried 15th September 1915
same grave as
Margaret Robinson
aged 62 years
abode 30 Pine Street Liverpool,
26th March 1940
also Ann Ellen Clarke
grave 359 section E,non conformist plot
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Was your Arthur Robinson fromSouth Shields,
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I don't know. ???
Nicola
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You dont know well dont worry,
I can see an Arthur from South Shields in 1911 .wife Margaret.
he has put Arthurs name down ,his son I mean and then it has been scribbled out
and he is transcribed elsewhere
this is an earlier census
1891 Upper Hope Street
Toxteth Park
RG12/29/34
Thomas Robinson,victullar,aged 37 born Yorkshire
Eliza Ann,wife aged 36 born Wickam,Durham
Robert P aged14 born Whickam
Arthur A aged 12 born South Shields
Thomas aged 11 born South Shields
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Thanks :)
I have also seen that one, with Arthur being in an industrial school...would that be for juveniles ???
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Yes and that is where you will find him,
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Thanks again :)
My mother in law did say that her father got into trouble for stealing..
Thanks for all your help
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1881 census
135 Chatham Street Liverpool
RG11/3623
James Warren,joiner aged 28,Pembroke Dock Wales
Winifrid,aged 36,Wales unsure of place
Margaret aged 3
Ellen aged 1 both girls born Liverpool
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Please can the person think Nicola looking at the Robinson Ellis Warren family help me ,my great great grand father wasJohn Ellis who was a diver and my great grandparents were John Ellis and Annie Mac Hale ,I'm trying to find the mother of John born say 1862 all Liverpool I believe ,I'm trying for years to get further back but no luck ,can any one help ,I think ciderdrinker helped with this ,I'm new to this site so please bear with me my e mail is carolbooth1@btinternet.com
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nicoalanne ,I am researching the Ellis family Liverpool can you please help as I have seen you have researched them as well my e mail is carbooth1@btinternet.com thank you
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My Nan - mums mum - was Martha Ellis b 1898 - Garston,Liverpool - TEN SIBLINGS
father Joseph Thomas Ellis b 1857 ,Garston - NINE SIBLINGS
father - Edward Ellis - B 1799 - Flint ,North Wales
Edward came to Garston to work in The Copper works - MANY Welsh came to liverpool as they knew how to work Copper
so - if you get any ELLIS family associated with Garston ,Liverpool I have every one since 1835 -Anne Ellis -first born of Edward and Mary ( Tipping ) Ellis ... :)
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Fagin
this is the only one I can find - a possible for you
Baptism: 30 Jan 1860 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John Ellis - [Child] of John Ellis & Mary
Born: 12 Jan 1860
Abode: Curry St.
Occupation: Butcher
.......................................... a butcher - and this John Ellis is also a Butcher
Marriage: 15 Apr 1858 St Jude the Apostle, West Derby, Lancashire, England
John Ellis - 21 years, Butcher, Bachelor, Back Russell Street
Mary Smith - (X), 22 Years, Spinster, Salisbury Street
Groom's Father: Edward Ellis, Farmer
Bride's Father: John Smith, Butcher
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as I say - a possible ??
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Thank you so much but this is not the one ,my John Ellis was a diver he was my great great grandfather and then his son John Ellis was married to Annie Mc Hale and my grandad was one of their children ,thanks for the reply
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Fagin777 I've emailed you :) However I've only got as far back as John Ellis and Annie McHale. These were my mother in laws great grandparents, my husbands great great grandparents. There is a possible Patrick Mchale that would be Annies dad.
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Yes this is my family my grandad was the son of John and Annie and the Sarah mentioned was his sister ,he also had a sister Jane my mum was Jane Ellis mygra dad was William Robert Ellis ,John and Annie had 15 children only 4 survived ,I'm now looking to who was John's mum ,his dad John was a diver but I can't get any further ,who was your husband's parents and what is his name ,we were from edge hill but my grandads family were from around China town he told me,I'm new to this so hope you get this reply,regards Carol I really need to solve this it's drivi g me crazy
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My email bounced back..
My husbands mum was Margaret May Robinson 1929 - 2015
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Iv not had your e mail sorry ,carolbooth1@btinternet.com I wonder how am related to your mother in law and your husband are they from Liverpool John's d Annie were my great grandparents and I would say you are correct about Annie's parents imtryi g to work out where the Ellis name comes in for your family ,very interesting ,hope the e mail works this time thank you
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My MIL was real Liverpool, but came to Hinckley, Leicester at some point. Her mum was Lucy Ellis 1904-1987.
My husband was born in Hinckley.
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I think the connection may be through my grandads elder brother John M Ellis ,I only ever heard of his sister's Sarah and Jane butnow I see he had an older brother ,do you think this may be correct ,it's the John Ellis who was a diver I need to find I want to know his wife's name ,thanks for your reply
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John Matthew Ellis was my MIL's grandfather.
Are you looking for the parents of John Ellis who was married to Ann McHale.
Fo you have a birth year for John?
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Yes that's what I'm looking they married 1880 and he was 19 it should be 1861or 1862
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So my grandad would have been your mother in law's uncle ,when and where did he pass please
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Who was your grandad?
I can look on my tree then as my head is now getting mixed up with all these John's ???
1861 census for Liverpool possible...from Ancestry
Name John Ellis
Mother Mary Ellis
Father John Ellis
Sibling Elizabeth
Birth
1860 Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Residence
1861 Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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We only have one John left now and he is 81 we have always called our John's Johnnie
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William Robert Ellis a fantastic landlively man born 29 August 1892
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Lovely man ,sorry for spelling
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Hi Nicola,
I am the Great grandaughter of Arthur Edward Robinson. My grandfather was their son George Robinson who jumped ship in New Zealand. This is where George has 2 children and multiple grandcren and great granchildren. When I lived in London 18 years ago I went Wavertree in Liverpool to see where they lived (Arthur and Lucy). It was all boarded up of course but it was great to see. Mel