RootsChat.Com
England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Buckinghamshire => England => Buckinghamshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: tanithrea on Sunday 09 September 12 18:48 BST (UK)
-
Hello,
i wondered if someone could look for the following:
in the 1871 Census:
George Price (dob approx 1857) in the Chesham, Buckingham district. i thought i found something in a house schedule no.67 but can access anything else and i am too much of a beginner to subscribe to anything i won't get enough use of. Also think Amersham is the registration district.
He should have a sister Mary Ann Price and possibly other siblings.
He could be my great, great Uncle.
Anyone help would be greatly appreciated. I only started this last week and it shocking how much information although it should be free to see is held by partners who charge to see everything. >:( Plus i am still trying to get my head around where to look, how to follow things its all a bit overwhelming ??? at this point lol but i did find my great uncle jack who died in Greece in WWI and found his date of death, cemetery and my gran was so happy as her father never knew any of that after he was told he'd died in action. so its worth it. ;D
Thanks
-
Hello and welcome to RootsChat -which is free!!!
You will find there is a lot of information to be found freely - a lot transcribed by volunteers - an enormous amount of information frre by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (commonly known as "Mormons") - the pay sites are for a reason - they have usually had to pay to transcribe images etc -and so it is a business -withoout paying subscriptions these companies would not be able to keep going .
Ancestry is a subscription site but you can have free access at a library.
Now for your request - are you certain Mary Ann is George's sister - if I am looking at the correct family Mary Ann is his wife????
there is this family
1871
16A Phenix Yard Phenix Stables Westminster London
George Price head M 38 labourer Newcastle Northumberland
Amelia wife 40 Chesham Bucks
GEORGE son 14 Chesham Bucks
James son 8 Westinster
Charles son 5 Westminster
Elizabeth daughter 3 Westminster
Alfred son 1 Westminster
RG10 109 100 40
if you look at 1881 (free to view at familysearch)census George is head of household with wife mary age 21, brother James 18, brother Charles 15, sister Elizabeth 13, brother Alfred 11, sister Rebecca age 8
????
Suz
-
Hi tanithrea,
Welcome to Rootschat. :)
1871 census:
John Price (53) head, Elizabeth (52) wife and children Mary Ann (17), George (14) and Emily (10); living at Church Street, Chesham. John is a bricklayer.
RG10 1393 10 11
Nanny Jan
-
Hi again - I was just about to post there are 2 George Prices of similar age both b in same place - one has a wife Mary Ann other has a sister Mary Ann
as Nanny Jan has posted -but with a little more detail
1871 Church St Chesham Bucks
John Price Head M53 Bricklayer Chesham Bucks
Elizabeth wife M 52 Straw Plaiter Chalfont St Giles Bucks
Mary Ann sister 17 Brush maker (drawer) Chesham Bucks
GEORGE son 14 Straw Plaiter Chesham Bucks
Emily daughter 10 Straw Plaiter Chesham Bucks
RG10 1393 10 11
possibly this George Price married a Jessie Florence? and stayed in Chesham
Who did your George Price marry??
Suz
Suz
-
WOW you guys are amazing.
thank you everyone for replying, its brilliant.
as to the George, he was my hope to find my great geat grandmother.
what i know is my great grandmother Rebecca Stewart who was living and working in Croydon for the 1911 census. and her younger sister Emily Stewart was possibly staying with her uncle george and aunt 'poll'. I thought i found them in 1911 with a record for george and mary price at 37 Horseferry road with their niece Emily Stewart who was born in westminster which was the right area and the address is right from a postcard from years later. the1911 census said that george was about 52 and a Carman and it was on the form 37 horseferry road which was the location in the family notes. it said his place of bith is well i read it a chesham in buckingham but ancesrty says kingham but there is no way he wrote kingham. source RG14 PIECE 468.
sorry i don't get yet how the full reference works.
What i'm trying to get from george is his siblings to find rebecca and emily stewarts mother Mary Ann Price who married William Stewart, had 7 or more children of which i have names for 7. Mary Ann died aged around 38 during childbirth and possibly the child too. i don't know anything else for her, but i know rebecca was born 24 oct 1892 in lambeth. london. her siblings were all around the westminster area born, worked and died. Emily was younger by less than 1-5 years. so it would be about right emily was 15 in 1911 and was staying with aunt and uncle which would need to be george to have carried the price name.
george married but postcards are signed aunt poll, but my gran says thats a nickname for mary. i don't know her maiden name.
i think i have made all that very hard to follow, sorry.
i really appreciate you all posting to my request. ;D
-
Hi and welcome to Rootschat!
This is the 1901 with what appears to be Rebecca and Emily:-
William Stewart 36 Widower occ Waterside Labourer b Middx
William C 12 b Middx
Alfred G 10 b Middx
Rebecca 8 b Surrey
Albert 6 b Middx
Emily 5 b Middx
Residing at 5, Romney Street, St George Hanover Square, London
Census Ref RG13/91/39/40
1891 Census
William Stewart 26 occ General Lab b Lambeth
Mary Ann 27 b Chesham
Amelia 6
Ellen Elizabeth 4
William 2
Alfred 10 days
Residing at 5, Romney Street
All children born Westminster
Census Ref RG12/78/98/9
You may already have this information, but thought I would post to assist if needed for further research!
So going on Mary Ann's age in 1891, then in 1871 she appears to shown as aged 7 and shown as Grandaughter to a Daniel and Sarah Worrall at Waterside, Chesham, Bucks Census Ref RG10/1394/93/12
Marriage Amelia Dell June 1854 Amersham 3a 409
Marriage George Price June 1854 Amersham 3a 4(2)9
Both have a spouse missing
Keyboard86
-
there is a problem here
There are 2 George Prices of similar age b Chesham - both have sisters Mary Ann!!!!
George Price son of John and Elizabeth was a brushmaker and seems to have stayed in Chesham
George Price son of George and Amelia moved to London and was a carman
So it seems this George Price is most probably the uncle of Rebecca & Emily Stewart
Another problem - his sister Mary Ann Price was age 2 in 1861 census
1861
16 Gardeners lane Westminster
George Price head M 29 Carman Chesham Bucks
Amelia wife 30 Chesham
George son 4 Chesham
Mary A daughter 2 Chesham
William Spittle Boarder 19 Carman Middlesex
RG9 52 81 32
????
Suz
-
Hello and welcome to RootsChat -which is free!!!
You will find there is a lot of information to be found freely - a lot transcribed by volunteers - an enormous amount of information frre by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (commonly known as "Mormons") - the pay sites are for a reason - they have usually had to pay to transcribe images etc -and so it is a business -withoout paying subscriptions these companies would not be able to keep going .
Ancestry is a subscription site but you can have free access at a library.
Now for your request - are you certain Mary Ann is George's sister - if I am looking at the correct family Mary Ann is his wife????
there is this family
1871
16A Phenix Yard Phenix Stables Westminster London
George Price head M 38 labourer Newcastle Northumberland
Amelia wife 40 Chesham Bucks
GEORGE son 14 Chesham Bucks
James son 8 Westinster
Charles son 5 Westminster
Elizabeth daughter 3 Westminster
Alfred son 1 Westminster
RG10 109 100 40
if you look at 1881 (free to view at familysearch)census George is head of household with wife mary age 21, brother James 18, brother Charles 15, sister Elizabeth 13, brother Alfred 11, sister Rebecca age 8
????
Suz
Hi all living next door on same census ref for 1881 RG11/111/39/72 are:-
James Stewart 50 b Westminster
Elizabeth 51 b Portsmouth
Charles 20
WILLIAM 16
Charlotte 14
Albert 11
All children b Lambeth
Residing at 1, Little Tutton Street, Westminster
Keyboard86
PS any thoughts on the Mary Ann Price aged 16 in Lambeth b Buckinghamshire on RG11/607/71/2
-
Hi again tanithrea, as you have access to the 1911 census, the George and Mary Price that Emily Stewart aged 15 was on, could I just ask 2 questions:-
Were they married approx 33/4 years and was Mary also born Westminster, if so would this marriage fit, George Price to Mary Sullivan June 1877 St George Hanover Square 1a 720 if so looks like the George and Mary in 1881?
Also these deaths which may explain why George b 1857 was with his siblings in 1881:-
Death George Price Dec qtr 1877 St George Hanover Sq 1a 240 aged 44
Death Amelia Price Dec qtr 1880 Lambeth 1d 222 aged 50
Keyboard86
-
UH-MAZING!!!!! :o :D :P
I think you guys all got something that rang some bells to what i was looking for.
Rebecca did has lots of brothers and sisters, her mother Mary Ann Price died young at 38 so that would make sense she wasn't on the 1901 census as she died after Emily possibly with another child.
keyboard86 - i think you found them as a family the whole of Rebecca's brothers, sisters and parents and their address at the time. Also i am really really excited to look and see if the link to the 1871 census leads me back to Mary Ann's Grandparents and possibly leads me to her parents going back another generation which is utterly amazing. if it wasn't so late i would call my Gran to tell her as she is helping me do this as she knows the most about her mum and dads generation.
Rebecca's siblings were : Amelia, Ellen, William, Alfred, Albert and Emily the youngest.
Her father was William Stewart who was listed as an engineer on Rebecca's death certificate but a Gas fitter on her sister Amelia's death cert. both parents were dead by the time Rebecca married in 1931.
Amelia (Rebecca's sister) born 15 Aug 1884 Westminster died 19 Jan 1968 97 Carron Road, Falkirk, Scotland
Ellen (Rebecca's sister) born 23 May 1886 City of Westminster died 25 Nov 1977 Central Middlesex Hospital
Mary Ann - although apart from the knowledge she died in childbirth, at around age 38 and that my gran had lots of aunts and uncles but some were related and some were just family friends. I don't know how many siblings she might of had and i don't know anything past her so that's very intriguing.
Suzard - that too seems like an interesting path i wonder if that does lead me to his and Mary Ann's parents. Plus with Mary Ann dying young it would make sense that she would be 2 in 1861, and would have been 40 in 1901 but was dead. Plus Emily was 5 in 1901 so Mary Ann died somewhere between 1896 and 1901.
George Price and Mary ___________ married, but i don't know where or when, or if they had kids. But i will look at the Mary Sullivan June to see if she could be the one.
Also my gran threw in an extra tidbit today. Rebecca was the only one born out of westminster and in lambeth area as something about flooding. I have her certificate of birth and its from Lambeth Church.
I wish i could stay up now and get stuck in, lol but i got to sleep lots to do tomorrow but i am definitely going to be digging more up and seeing what else i can find out.
Can't thank you guys enough for giving me this info, its absolutely fantastic.
I'm buzzed again, whereas i was thinking i had hit my high and was going to swim in circles for the rest.
THANK YOU ALL!!!!! :-* ;D
-
Hi again, a likely death for Mary Ann Stewart seems to be:-
Mary Ann Stewart June 1900 St George Hanover Sq 1a 350 aged 36
Possible birth Mary Ann Price June 1864 Amersham 3a 362
Keyboard86
-
Hi all again, methinks the birth of a Mary Ann Price in June qtr 1864 and a marriage of a George Price to an Amelia Dell in June qtr 1854 are somehow linked? In 1851 an Amelia Dell aged 20 b Chesham is a lodger with a James and Ann Reading next door are the Daniel and Sarah Worrell shown as grandparents to Mary Ann Price in 1871? Census ref for 1851 HO107/1717/316/13 and for Daniel and Sarah HO107/1717/316/12
Any thoughts?
Keyboard86
-
Hi Keyboard
What about this 1841 census ??
1841
Amy Lane Chesham Bucks
Mary Price 49 Rag sorter
Rebecca 22 Plaiter
George 9 (could this be George who married Amelia dell???)
same dwelling but living separately
Daniel Worrell 30 lab
Sarah 25 plaiter
Mary 5
Charles Price 4
all b in county
HO107 47 2 7 8
Mary is dittoed as Worrell???
Suz
-
Hi Suz, now we are getting somewhere!
Marriage Daniel Worrell to Sarah Price 17th May 1836 Chesham
1841 census
Hannah Dell 44
Martha 14
Amelia 9
John 7
Sarah Mead 18
William Nash 33
Residing at Waterside, Chesham
Census ref HO107/47/ 17/7/ 8
1851 census
Daniel Worrell 40
Sarah 37
Mary Ann 15
Charles 9
HO107/1717/316/12
Keyboard86
-
Hi again, if needed later Martha Dell aged 24 b Chesham with a George Dell aged 4 months are shown as Niece and Nephew to a John and Sarah Sear/Lear? in 1851 census ref HO107/1717/171/3
EDIT I believe a John SEARS marries a Sarah Dell c1817 Chesham in 1841 living with the Sear family is a William Dell aged 71 Census ref HO107/47/ 13/8/ 10
Keyboard86
-
In 1851 an Amelia Dell aged 20 b Chesham is a lodger with a James and Ann Reading next door are the Daniel and Sarah Worrell shown as grandparents to Mary Ann Price in 1871? Census ref for 1851 HO107/1717/316/13 and for Daniel and Sarah HO107/1717/316/12
Any thoughts?
Keyboard86
1851 census -the Worrells are next door but one to Amelia Dell -in between are Abel & Eliza Mead and 5 children - noticed there is a mead with Hannah Dell 1841???
thought may be related somehow
Suz
-
Hi all for my benefit at least 1851 for possibly George Price:-
1851 census
Mary Price 64 Widow
Rebecca 32
George 18
George 4 Grandson
Residing at Amy Lane Chesham
Census ref HO107/1717/117/14
Keyboard86
-
well done Keyboard - good find
Suz
-
well done Keyboard - good find
Suz
Hi again all, so now we know Sarah Price married a Daniel Worrel how come a 7 year old Mary Ann Price is with them in 1871 but with her parents in 1861 aged 2 and why the apparent close links to the Stewart family early on?
Just thinking aloud, but thought that maybe Mary Ann 1859 was not the Mary Ann 1864?
And if the Mary Ann b 1864 is theirs why pop back to Chesham to have her, leave her with Grandparents and continue having children in Westminster?
Keyboard86
-
George was the brother of my great great grandfather, William Price. William was born in Chesham, but moved to Middlesex and then to Rickmansworth, Hertfordshire. He was a bricklayer. Have a look at my rootsweb tree. My tree program says that Mary Ann (Polly) Price was my 1st cousin 4 x removed.
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=hungerford_2015&id=I51401
-
forgot to mention, his father William might be the son of another William and his wife Elizabeth Wright. But in any case, you might find it interesting that all these Prices may descend from a silversmith named William Price and his wife Mercy, see quote below.
“While searching for my PRICE ancestors in Chesham, I came upon the marriage of Mercy PRICE to Edward PINCHBECK on 7 April 1751 at St. George’s Chapel, Hyde Park Corner, which has a reputation for performing clandestine marriages. As my 6x great-grandparents were William and Mercy PRICE, I found this interesting; especially as William was variously described as a goldsmith, a silversmith and a jeweller. I had heard of the alloy, a kind of superior brass used to imitate gold, and known as pinchbeck after its inventor, so I wondered if Edward was one of the family. His will gave evidence that he was. His father Christopher had moved from Clerkenwell to ‘the sign of the Astronomico–Musical Clock in Fleet Street, near the Leg Tavern’ in 1721 when Edward was about eight years old. He made and exhibited clocks, which played music and birdsong, and musical automata, as well as more ordinary clocks and watches. He remained in Fleet Street until his death in 1732. The alloy is only heard of after this date, but that is probably because his sons, Christopher and Edward, were brilliant at extravagant advertising, each claiming to sell ‘the true metal’.
Edward continued his father’s business at the Musical Clock, despite being the younger son, probably because he was already married and his wife, Alice, expecting a child. His brother Christopher worked a few doors away and became clockmaker to and a close friend of George III. Edward was born about 1713, receiving adult baptism on 7 April 1738 at the age of 25 at St. Dunstan’s-in-the-West, Fleet Street. He worked as a showman, exhibiting his musical clocks at places such as Bartholomew Fair. After 1740 he called himself a toyman, (a toy then meaning a small personal item). Christopher says that one of his brothers paid a very large sum for an elephant, which then got stuck in a passage at Southwark Fair and died, and so lost all his money. If this sad tale was about Edward, it could explain his change of direction. In 1745 his wife died, having had two sons. William PRICE, silversmith, appears with Edward in the Land Registers in 1747 and 1750. Perhaps they worked together on the ‘toys’. On 23 February 1722/23 in Chesham, William had married Mercy SIMMS, the daughter of John SIMMS, turner, and his wife Mercy (nee SLATER) also of Chesham. William died in 1751 and it says in the registers that his body was ‘brought from London’ to be buried in Chesham on 27 March. His widow married Edward eleven days later; he was 38 and she was about 51. Edward left the Musical Clock in 1758. His later whereabouts are unknown but it appears to have been Chesham. He seems to have taken the PRICE family as his own, witnessed various marriages, and to have done parish duties. This seems to have continued until Mercy’s death aged about 75 years. She was buried on 13 June 1775 and in Chesham five days later he married Elizabeth WARNER (nee PETERS), widow of Robert WARNER, blacksmith of St. Mildred’s, London. Her nephew, James TUFFNELL, is listed in the Posse Comitatus as the owner of Lord’s Mill, Chesham. Edward died in 1785 aged about 72, his will stipulating that he be buried next to Mercy. Elizabeth had already died His own two sons are not mentioned in the will, so presumably they died young. He does name other members of his family: his brothers John and William, son of his brother Christopher. He leaves Hashleigh Wood, Chesham, which had been inherited from Mercy, to his ‘son-in-law’ Edmund, one of William and Mercy’s five sons, who all ended their days in Chesham. Edmund, also a goldsmith, lived in Wood Street in the City. He married his second wife, Iset Lydia HOBBS, when they were in their fifties, both of them dying in 1827 aged 98 and 94 respectively. Her first names were carried on for several generations. The descendants of two other brothers, William, a lace merchant, and Benjamin, a lace pattern-maker, evolved into a large Chesham family of cordwainers, bricklayers, butchers and lacemakers, related to the COOPER, WRIGHT and HARDING families amongst others. As there were not many PRICES in Chesham before William, Edward PINCHBECK’s friend, where did they come from? Lyn Meyer (M254), 49 Lower Broad Street, Ludlow, Shropshire SY8 1PH. With thanks to Eileen Bartlett for her research on the PRICE family).”
http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/images/stories/origins/vol27_03.pdf