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hi wondering if anyone can help im trying to find parents on a John Thomas Birch born 1853 i believe in cheshire
also he had a wife called mary born 1851 which is all i know which one day took her son fredrick birch born 1870 to school at the age of 2 and never returned to pick him up or heard from again
any help on this will be wonderful
thanks in advance :)
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Hi
It would help us if you could give us some details, working backwards is normally easiest for us so where do you have Frederick in the census?
Rosie
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hi rosie sorry bout that john thomas was born in bucks
but fredrick was london found him in 1911 census with his wife elizabeth ( Fredrick aged 42 born in London, living at 95 Nashville St in Salford, occupation ship’s rigger) but cant find anything on his mother mary
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Hi,
Are you sure you have the correct Frederick on the 1911 census?
I am fairly sure that he married Elizabeth Ann Bratt at St Lukes Salford and his father was named as Robert Birch, Moulder:
Marriage: 6 Aug 1906 St Luke, Weaste, Lancashire, England
Frederic Birch - 38 years Seaman Widower of 32 Leopold St.
Elizabeth Ann Bratt - 35 years Spinster of 32 Leopold St.
Groom's Father: Robert Birch, Moulder
Bride's Father: William Bratt, (deceased), Jeweller
Witness: Fred Hargreaves; Rose Flear
Married by Banns by: W. L. Cottrell
Mo
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ok now im stumped
fredrick birch b 1895 married hilda bernice carling b 1896 (great granfather)
son
fredrick birch b 1870 married elizabeth ann bratt b 1869 (2nd great granfather
fredrick's father which we thou was john thomas birch b 1853 wife mary
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Hello,
1871 has a Frederick G Birch aged 6 months born Chesham Bucks.
His parents are John and Mary.
1871 1394/104/10
Unfortunately, John and Mary were born abt 1834 and 1831.
Where do you get their years of birth from?
Not him- married someone else
heywood
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hi
im sure my mother was told them by one of the relations but i will check up on this
i know fredrick b 1885 and hidra bernice carling are right names also
fredrick b 1870 and elizabeth ann bratt
it could be the name john thomas thats wrong wasnt sure who he married just that fredrick b 1870 mother left him at school age 2 and never came back no one knows what happened to her or when she went:(
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Age 2 was young to go to school wasn't it or do you mean she took him to a random school and left him there :(
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it could be some sort of nursery of some kind :(
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If Frederick was born 1895 - his mother couldn't have been Elizabeth Ann Bratt.
Do you have his mother's name or a birth certificate/ place of birth?
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If John Thomas and Mary were born 1853 and 1851 then they were young parents 19 and 17 to be married with son Frederick by 1870 :-\
Or did Frederick just belong to Mary as she was older and maybe couldn't look after him? Too many questions but little Frederick should hopefully still be with his parents/mother in 1871 census before she gave him up.
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i know fredrick b 1885 (should be 1895) and hidra bernice carling are right names also
fredrick b 1870 and elizabeth ann bratt
Oh dear something is sadly incorrect.
Marriage at St Mary Todmorden
12th July, 1916
Frederick Birch, 22, Bachelor, Joiner, 28 Pine Road, Todmorden, Father John Thomas Birch, Core Maker
Hilda Burnice Carling, 23, Spinster, Winder, 28 Pine Road, Todmorden, Father Robert Carling (deceased) Dyer
Witnesses: Alfred Wright and Mary Jane Wright X
So if this is the correct marriage then Frederick born 1894 ish was the son of John Thomas Birch not a Frederick Birch as in the 1911 census you posted.
Mo
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It's becoming quite complicated isn't it.
1901 3557/ 100/ 6 Wigan
John Thomas Birch Core Maker b Bolton - with a son Frederick 6 yrs
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Now that looks much better.
Great find. ;D ;D ;D
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Going back from that chap - this is just a possibility I hasten to add ;)
1901 John Thomas Birch b abt 1866 Bolton
1881 John Thomas - parents Thomas (abt 1840) and Mary A
1871 John T 'Bouich' parents Thomas and Ellen
Is there a story there?
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hi rosie sorry bout that john thomas was born in bucks
but fredrick was london found him in 1911 census with his wife elizabeth ( Fredrick aged 42 born in London, living at 95 Nashville St in Salford, occupation ship’s rigger) but cant find anything on his mother mary
Even more confusion:
1901 has a Frederick Birch (Brich) b 1860, Ireland who is a ship's rigger. Wife is Adelaide and son Frederick 7 yrs. They are living in Pendleton (Salford).
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thank you everyone and also to who found that there could be something not right on this post i have been looking for over a day trying to ssort this out ( still haven't but today from frederick daughter that her grandfather was a john thomas but couldnt remember his wifes name
she also says fredrick birch born 1895 father was john thomas birch and that fredrick also had a sister called ella ( no date of birth) who went over to russia in ww1 to sell flags to the russian's to which she never returned
i have come up blanks this branch is very frustrating