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Title: more information needed for my family tree
Post by: kezward on Wednesday 05 September 12 22:03 BST (UK)
Hi,
i have started my family tree again and i am looking for more information to go on it.

can i start with this one?

edward bourne born 1867 married winifred mary mitchell (b.1875) married in 1897
they had a son arthur in 1899.

im looking for any information on arthur bourne.

thanks  :D
Title: Re: more information needed for my family tree
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 05 September 12 22:19 BST (UK)
Have you looked for a marriage for him on freebmd?

Did the family remain in Derbyshire or move to another county?
Title: Re: more information needed for my family tree
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 05 September 12 22:24 BST (UK)
He died in WW1

http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/1751372/BOURNE,%20ARTHUR%20EDWARD
Title: Re: more information needed for my family tree
Post by: kezward on Wednesday 05 September 12 22:31 BST (UK)
did look for a marriage but after seeing that how sad, still, im proud to know that he was in the services.

Title: Re: more information needed for my family tree
Post by: kezward on Wednesday 05 September 12 22:33 BST (UK)
next on my list is:

ida clarice bourne (b. 1893)

doris bourne (b.1897)

evelyn bourne (b.1899)

all of the above are the children of frank bourne and mary hadfield who were married in 1891
Title: Re: more information needed for my family tree
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 05 September 12 22:41 BST (UK)
You haven't given any details of where the children were born as it does not appear to be in Derbyshire

Have you looked for them on the 1911 census to establish where they were living as that info will be needed to trace any marriages?

Have you checked freebmd for marriages
Title: Re: more information needed for my family tree
Post by: crisane on Wednesday 05 September 12 22:43 BST (UK)
1901 RG13/2647/43/4
29 St Peters street Stapenhill Staffordshire
Edward Bourne 34 chimney sweep Church Gresley derbyshire
Winifred 26 Coalville leicestershire
Arthur E 2 Stapenhill Derbyshire

Stapenhill must be on the border of the Derbyshire and Staffordshire counties.
Title: Re: more information needed for my family tree
Post by: kezward on Wednesday 05 September 12 22:48 BST (UK)
stapenhill does boarder derbyshire. i have the relevant information for this family. i want to extend the information as in children of children if you know what i mean  ???  ???  ???
Title: Re: more information needed for my family tree
Post by: kezward on Wednesday 05 September 12 22:50 BST (UK)
they are all known to be in the church gresley / swadlincote areas (i think)  :D
Title: Re: more information needed for my family tree
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 05 September 12 22:50 BST (UK)
Please see my reply above

Quote
You haven't given any details of where the children were born as it does not appear to be in Derbyshire

Have you looked for them on the 1911 census to establish where they were living as that info will be needed to trace any marriages?

Have you checked freebmd for marriages


Given their birthyears - you will have to look at freebmd for marriages etc
Title: Re: more information needed for my family tree
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 05 September 12 22:52 BST (UK)
Quote
they are all known to be in the church gresley / swadlincote areas (i think) 


You need  to check the 1911 census as that info is not correct
Title: Re: more information needed for my family tree
Post by: crisane on Wednesday 05 September 12 22:55 BST (UK)
stapenhill does boarder derbyshire. i have the relevant information for this family. i want to extend the information as in children of children if you know what i mean ??? ??? ???

Gotcha :)
Title: Re: more information needed for my family tree
Post by: kezward on Wednesday 05 September 12 22:58 BST (UK)
ida clarice was born 1893 burton on trent

doris was born 1897 either burton on trent or ashby


evelyn was born 1899 either burton on trent or ashby
Title: Re: more information needed for my family tree
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 05 September 12 23:00 BST (UK)
But where were they in 1911?  You need their birthplaces to look for them on censuses - but it does not always mean they were still living in that area in later years
Title: Re: more information needed for my family tree
Post by: kezward on Wednesday 05 September 12 23:08 BST (UK)
where do i get a free 1911 census?  ???
Title: Re: more information needed for my family tree
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 05 September 12 23:12 BST (UK)
Sorry - the 1911 is only available on a pay per view basis and Rootschat do not allow lookups

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,355486.0.html

This may help when searching the free index

USING THE FREE 1911 INDEX TO DETERMINE THE CORRECT HOUSEHOLD

http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/tnaform.aspx

Once you find a possible match - make a note of the county and district in which the person was living

Return to the index and in PERSONAL DETAILS - just put the surname of the family - nothing else

In LOCATION - Select the county and below it - type in the district

In OTHER MEMBERS OF THE HOUSEHOLD - show the full name of the person you have found on the index

Click SEARCH

The 1911 census is strictly pay per view so you will have to buy credits to view the full entry - the above instructions will only help to possibly show others of the same surname in the same household
Title: Re: more information needed for my family tree
Post by: Marmalady on Wednesday 05 September 12 23:15 BST (UK)
Ancestry is currently offering free access to the 1911 census for a limited time only
Title: Re: more information needed for my family tree
Post by: kezward on Wednesday 05 September 12 23:29 BST (UK)
ida was born in newhall in derbyshire and i think she moved to upperthong in yorkshire

i cant find any info as yet for the other two girls
Title: Re: more information needed for my family tree
Post by: heatherjulie on Thursday 06 September 12 14:31 BST (UK)
1901
Living at Calver Road, Handsworth, Woodhouse, Yorkshire

Frank Bourne 30 born 1871 Church Gresley Coal hewer
Mary E Bourne 28 born 1873 Riddings Derbyshire
Ida C Bourne 8 born 1893 Newhall, Derbyshire
Doris Bourne 4 born 1897 Woodhouse, Yorkshire
Eveline Bourne 2 born 1899 Woodhouse

Heather
Title: Re: more information needed for my family tree
Post by: heatherjulie on Thursday 06 September 12 14:54 BST (UK)
I think that there might have been more children.
Olive born 1905 in Woodhouse and
Vera Bourne mmn Hadfield registered 1915 Sheffield

If you can manage to look on the 1911 census, you will see how many children were born before 1911 and how many had died .

Heather
Title: Re: more information needed for my family tree
Post by: heatherjulie on Thursday 06 September 12 15:02 BST (UK)
There is a possible marriage for
Doris Bourne to  John H Gregory 1929 Sheffield
Title: Re: more information needed for my family tree
Post by: kezward on Thursday 06 September 12 17:19 BST (UK)
thanks heather, ive found that eveline bourne b.1899 was in sheffield on the 1911 census. does this help?

also did doris bourne and john h gregory have children?
Title: Re: more information needed for my family tree
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 06 September 12 17:31 BST (UK)
Hi

This info can be obtained by using freebmd.  As the possible marriage was in 1929 -there could be living children so details cannot be posted here

Select births and input surname Gregory - spouse name Bourne

www.freebmd.org.uk

You need to be aware that the free 1911 index has another Doris Bourne living in Sheffield and born 1898 so the marriage could be hers