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Title: Elizabeth Gilmore
Post by: highfield54 on Monday 03 September 12 12:08 BST (UK)
 I am trying to trace  a Elizabeth Gilmour b. 1812 on 1851 Census she had a daughter also named Elizabeth who marries James Hamilton which brought her into my ancestry. the 1851 Census shows she had 6 children but no mention of their father,  I would like to know if possible who her parents were,  can you help please.
                                                                            regards Helena
Title: Re: Elizabeth Gilmore
Post by: groom on Monday 03 September 12 12:27 BST (UK)
Hi Helena

Is it the same Elizabeth that appears on the 1861 census?
RG 9; Piece: 3946; Folio: 73; Page: 40
 Quay Street, St Bees, Whitehaven

Patrick Gilmore   59  Lab general       Ireland
Elizabeth Gilmore   50                         Ireland
Elizabeth Gilmore   19  Coal gatherer    Whitehaven
Esther Gilmore   17  Coal gatherer    Whitehaven
Sarah Ellen Gilmore15 Coal gatherer    Whitehaven
Margaret Gilmore   10                        Whitehaven
Hannah Gilmore   6                          Whitehaven


If so, you will need probably to look on Irish records for her parents.

Jan
Title: Re: Elizabeth Gilmore
Post by: highfield54 on Monday 03 September 12 13:10 BST (UK)
 Thank you for your quick reply all the names you mention are the same has I have but the spelling is different I have Gilmour but it could be Gilmore I will pursue your suggestion.

                         regards Helena
Title: Re: Elizabeth Gilmore
Post by: aghadowey on Monday 03 September 12 16:35 BST (UK)
Gilmore and Gilmour are interchangeable- just depends who was writing the name down at the time so do not be concerned with spelling.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Gilmore
Post by: emmsthheight on Monday 03 September 12 18:02 BST (UK)
Hi

I can't see a marriage that fits on Free bmd even though the first child on 1861 in born in Whitehaven.

Tends too confirm you need to look for a marriage in Ireland - though there could still be some marriages missing from Free bmd.

Best wishes

Emms  :)
Title: Re: Elizabeth Gilmore
Post by: emmsthheight on Monday 03 September 12 18:13 BST (UK)
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In 1841 they are at Strand St Whitehaven, which Quay St is close to.

They have Mary Jane and Thomas, 8 and 6 years and James 4 as well as Elizabeth.

No occupation given.

The parents and Mary Jane and Thomas all have a cross in the right hand column for birth place with what is probably an I beside outside the grid.

If this is a first marriage and it was before the first child was born thenthey were married before registration started in this country.  So it looks like we need parish records either side of the Irish Sea!

Best wishes

Emms  ::) :) :)
Title: Re: Elizabeth Gilmore
Post by: emmsthheight on Monday 03 September 12 18:25 BST (UK)
Hi again

In 1851 Elizabeth is on her own with the children.  She's down as mariner's wife and it looks like pauper written faintly beside that.  She's again just down as born Ireland.

She has mary 15, Thomas 14, James 12, Elizabeth 9, Esther 7, sarah E 5, Patrick 4 and Margaret 4 or 1?

Emms
Title: Re: Elizabeth Gilmore
Post by: highfield54 on Monday 03 September 12 18:38 BST (UK)
Thank you Emms for your reply it does seem a tricky one has I have no idea where in Ireland to look, I am meeting up with someone tomorrow with the same lady in her Ancestry so we will compare notes and I will let you know if we find anything.  Yes I think you are correct when you say they look like paupers as 1 child is a coal picker at 18!!  Some look ups are easy but some are just to hard to tackle,
                                             many thanks I will be in touch later
                                                                 regards Helena
Title: Re: Elizabeth Gilmore
Post by: emmsthheight on Monday 03 September 12 18:46 BST (UK)
Thanks for the feedback Helena

I'll be interested to know how you get on.

Of course one thing you could do would be to look for a birth certificate for one of the children born in Whitehaven and get Elizabeth's maiden name from there.

there are baptism registers in the record office but I think only the RC ones will give maiden name and I've a feeling the ones for this date are still at the church even if that is their religion.

Good luck with the meeting.

Best wishes

Emms  :)
Title: Re: Elizabeth Gilmore
Post by: highfield54 on Sunday 09 September 12 10:43 BST (UK)
Hello Emms   Had a lovely meeting with Beryl who is in the same Hamilton family as me, I had  followed a wrong direction so at first we could not get a connection but we soon found why in my Hamilton group, so got that corrected.
 
Your find in the Elizabeth Gilmore was a great help we think we have found her maiden name  Callaghan we think so we are working together to find her in Ireland.  I am waiting for a birth certificate as you suggested, will let you know.

    Many thanks for your help
                                                      regards Helena.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Gilmore
Post by: emmsthheight on Sunday 09 September 12 13:34 BST (UK)
Hi Hellena

Thank you for the feed back.  It's great to know how you got on.

Yes, do let me know about the certificate and if there's anything else I can do to help.

Best wishes

Emms