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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Gloucestershire => Topic started by: Zenick on Monday 03 September 12 00:16 BST (UK)
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Looking for info on several Govier relatives who came from the Arlingham area :-
John (Jennings Day) Govier (1852-1912) - according to 1911 census he was an inn keeper at the Red Lion in Arlingham
William Henry John (Day) Govier (1881-1944) John & Florence son - married on 4 Aug 1912 in Arlingham Parish Church (he was an Electrical eng.) - he married Gladys G Smith.
Any info on these or any othe members of their family woyld be appreciated esp burial locations etc.
Nick
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Hi Zenick,
As I was visiting Glos Archives (GA) today I thought I'd have a go at your data request and checked out the following parish records of St Mary, Arlingham:-
1813-1887 Baptisms
1813-1878 Marriages
1813-1874 Burials
The ONLY record I could find with the GOVIER surname is as follows:-
Source: GA PFC 18 IN 1/11 2, Entry No 191
August 4th, 1912, William Henry GOVIER, 30, Bachelor, Electrical Engineer of Arlingham, f. John Jennings GOVIER, Hotel Keeper, m. Gladys Gwendoline SMITH, 19, Spinster of Arlingham, f. Henry Lionel SMITH, Master Mariner.
Both groom and bride signed their names in the presence of Robert H WILLIAMS and Grace Vernon SMITH.
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In 1927 there was a William H Jennings listed as Landlord of the Malt Shovel, The Square, Ruardean. He appears to have been in residence until about 1939.
Could this be your man?
Or carry out a search of this database.
http://www.gloucestershirepubs.co.uk/AllGlosPubsDatabase/AllGlosPubs_view.php
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Many thanks for the info on these - it verifies some of the info I have here :)
Bilge -
Not sure if this is any relation right now - kinda interesting as most of that part of the family had an interest in inns/pubs - either owning or running them
Nick Govier
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Hi Nick - the landlords of the Red Lion, Arlingham, Glos goes something like this.
By the way, I gather Mabel Aldridge was there in 1911 as a servant She was my great aunt.
I still live 100 yards away from the pub. http://www.rootschat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/grin.gif
Anyway here goes on previous landlords of The Red Lion, Arlingham
1782: Henry Carter
1802: Thomas Carter
1820s B. Reece
1830s: Betty Fryer
1845: Joseph Fryer
1853: Jesse Vimpany
1860: John Varney
1870: George Markey
1880: Daniel Hayward
1889: Henry Clayfield
1889: Jim Wilkins
1894: Jim Sendall
1900: James Proctor
1906: George Ashby
1910: Florence Govier
1912: Edmund Gabb
1919: John Stevens
1944: Albert Daw
1952: Ernest Wager
1964: Stan Browning
1966: Bernard Boulton
1969: Ken Bale
1973: Colin Broadbent
1976: Brian Davies
1978: John Large
1982: Lucie Swainson
1986: Alan & John Packman
1995: Bob Jones
1999: Easton Hogben
2001: Jan Codner
2007: Rebecca and Karen
Clutterbuck
2010: Doug & Julie Bentley
2011: Les & Danielle Pipes
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Jon,
Thanks for the info on Mabel & the Red Lion, glad to see it is still there - do you know of anyplace on the internet I can get old pics of it?
As you see in 1910 - Florence is listed too (John's wife) - unsure why they don't mention John here for 1910 as he was still alive until 1912 (as far as I know)
Nick
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Hi Nick - Yes I wondered that, especially if in 1911 John is listed at the Hotel/Innkeeper. So maybe an error on my part from whatever record I found that in or a recognition that often in those days the man of the house worked on other things whilst his wife ran the pub.
There is a village photo book that runs to some 384 pages with photos through the C20th including Arlingham School. It includes photos x2 of the Red Lion in circa 1905; one from circa 1909 at a meeting of Fretherne Beagles; one from around 1911; loads more of the Red Lion through the century, plus Arlingham School photos throughout but few from first decade have names (we have those from only about 1914 onwards) but Gladys Gwendoline Smith will surely be pictured in the early school photos. Later photos have her brothers Christopher and Henry/Harry Smith and their wives etc.
Gladys Gwendoline Smith's father was, I believe, Captain and Mrs Henry Smith of St. Augustine’s Cottage in the High Street. He was the coal merchant for the village and hauled Forest of Dean coal by horse and cart from the pill at Arlingham Passage brought over by the craft named 'Finis' (photo in book). There's a later photo of his house and coalyard/sheds. Henry also is mentioned in other stories.
Anyway, bad news is the book named , Where the River Bends' is out of print. But good news for ipad users is that it's being relaunched in a month or so as an ibook at a cost of £20, proceeds to Arlingham Church. It's better as an ibook as all the photos will be expandable so gives best chance of examining faces.
Kind regards
Jon
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A bit more on John Jennings Govier as landlord, fom British Newspaper archives free search
"... Jennings Govier, the Red Lion Inn, Arlingham, appeared answer a summons of adulterating brandy with water to the extent of 33 per ... ”
Saturday 13 April 1912 , Gloucester Journal
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If I could get hold of a copy of the Gloucester Journal entry we'd be tempted to frame it for the pub wall if you had no objection. But not sure how to source
J
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I have just seen a record on an inventory that suggest that Edmund Gabb was the predecessors of John and Florence Govier as landlords of the Red Lion. I had though that they Edmund Gabb was their successor at the pub as I have also seen documents 1916 linking him to the pub in around 1912 which was when John Govier died. Does anyone know whether Florence continued as landlady of the pub for a few years after her husband died.?
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Not sure about a few years, but definitely after Jennings died. again from British Newspapers free search
Gloucester Journal
Whitminster Petty Sessions
“... Florence Govier, of the Red Lion, Arlingliam, was summoned for not having her name over licensed premises on the Bth February last.... ”
Saturday 15 March 1913
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Many thanks Mabel
That's what I thought. The next recorded landlord we have is John Stephens from 1919, there may be someone else in between but we have no record of this.
So was the full name of Florence's husband John Jennings Day Govier? I have seem references to him as John but also as Jennings.
Reason for my interest is that the Red Lion has been undergoing refurbishment and will be re-opening on 1 November. There's a proposal to employ a signwriter to record the dates and names of all previous landlords on the wall of the bar. So just wanted to get it right in case any Govier descendants come to visit!
Kind regards
Jon
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Jon,
Thanks for the info on Mabel & the Red Lion, glad to see it is still there - do you know of anyplace on the internet I can get old pics of it?
As you see in 1910 - Florence is listed too (John's wife) - unsure why they don't mention John here for 1910 as he was still alive until 1912 (as far as I know)
Nick
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Nice work Jon My ancesters were Arlingham Carters .Nice to see Henry at the top of your list
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Hi Dott - and are those Carters (Henry and Thomas) who were late C18th and early C19th landlords of Red Lion, Arlingham ancestors of yours. Or were they possibly the affluent Carters of Puckpool Farm, Arlingham. In our house here in Arlingham there's a spiral staircase fitted about 1760 which has the signature Wm Carter engraved into - we always assumed that he was the carpenter who fitted it. There was a William Carter living 50 yards away at the time.
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Hi Jon ,There were Two Main Carter Families In Arlingham,those at Puckpoole and the Carter Doctors so called because they drscended from a phisician and for some reason continued to use the title.Both were wealthy but my line of the Doctors were tradesmen by 1800s.Apparently they were not related but members of both sides resembled my Grandfather.Confused?And me.They probably intermarried.There probably were some Carpenters in the families but Ive not seen one yet.My 3xGt gfather William b1779 was the only Doctor William I can find so yours May well be a Puckpoole one.At times the Doctors lived At Slowwe House,The Malthouse,Skillers House and Addresses at Overton.Henry was almost certainly a Doctor..How did you know of Wm Carters residence?The many deeds Ive studied dont give much info on resideces.I have been to the Church many times and hope to walk the village again in the summerThanks for your reply.
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I thought the inheritance of Slowwe House,Arlingham to the Carter family was not until the inter-war period after the Sayer family died out there.
The Malthouse, Church Road, Arlingham was an old cruck framed cottage which was owned by Arlingham Court estate until its dissolution in 1919. My nephew lives there now.
I don't recall a 'Skillers House' in Arlingham, but there was a 'Skittermister House'.
There's a map in Glos Archives from about 1725 or 1735 (a coloured waxy map) which shows names of occupiers or property names on some properties. Wm Carter is shown against a property on land that would now be where 'The Court Garden' development now stands and was the previous garden to Arlingham Court and was built in about 1740. Given that our stairs were made in 1760 it could be the same Wm Carter - or a son?
The Puckpool Carter graves are amongst the finest in Arlingham churchyard as you will know if you are a visitor.
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Hi John Thanks for info.An undated Tythe map suggests that Sarah and Mary Carter lived at "Slough" House .John Carter Dr took up tenancy of Woolthrop in1765.Its a pity the Puckpool Tombs are now so worn.Just to the right of the Church door are two tombs with the inscriptions almost completely worn.They are probably both Carter Doctor tombs.On one you can make out Thomas Carter d 1767.He was five x gt gfather.A Wm Carter died in 1816 and in his will left tenamets and land to his sons including Brickyard Close Orchard.Perhaps He is the stairmaker.He is in one of the Puckpool Tombs.My tree,accurate though lacking detail, is on Ancestry under toddc50.I will certainly check the waxy map next time Im in town.Your knowledge of the parish is proving most helpful.Again many thanks.
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The Hodges family owned Slowwe House, Arlingham from the C17th I believe, and the Sayers and Carter were descended from the Hodges through the female line when there was no male heir. There is a great deal of Slowwe House and Carter family documents in Gloucester Records Office.
Also in Gloucester Records Office are books of the inscription of tombs and gravestones in Arlingham Churchyard recorded by M.K Curtis, Mike Curtis did this some decades ago before many inscriptions became indistinct.
Woolthorpe is of course only a short stroll from Slowwe House.
Brickyard Close I suspect would be at the end often Passage Road straight, on the right before you take the final bend before the Old Passage Inn. In the field to your right on that bend you will see a large pond where the clay was dug out for the bricks that were made on that site. The nearby car park to the Old Passage Inn was originally a pill which boats could enter on high tide and coal was brought in there for the brick kilns.