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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Canada Lookup Request => Topic started by: S1233 on Sunday 02 September 12 04:05 BST (UK)
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After discovering that many Canadian passenger lists are online here: http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/passenger/index-e.html , I tried looking for some of my ancestors. They came on a Red Star Liner ship in 1907. Though I don't know the name of the ship, I searched all Red Star Liner ships in 1907 and couldn't find them. I don't know where they arrived or where they came from. They settled in Punnichy, Saskatchewan after their arrival.
Their names are:
James Salaba (though his first name may be listed as Vaclav), born 1881
his wife, Mary Anne (nee Slawick), born 1882
daughter Annie, born 1904
Two of James' sisters and their mother, names and years of birth unknown
They were of Czech or Russian/Polish descent.
How can I find them?
Thanks.
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Hi
I know you asked specifically about passenger lists and I'm still looking for those; however, I did find some other sites that I thought might be of interest to you. Apologies if you already have this information.
http://www.metismuseum.ca/resource.php/04256
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0qm3/
http://genforum.genealogy.com/canada/saskatchewan/messages/1993.html
Susan
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I do, but I forgot the legal land description, so thank you for that!
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After looking over James Sr.'s homestead files, he believed (as of 1952) that he applied for/obtained his homestead around October-November 1907, so I am assuming they arrived around that time. He obtained his homestead entry on December 2, 1907 and was naturalized in December of 1908.
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I've been searching the passenger lists on Ancestry for them but no luck so far. I'm thinking that perhaps the surname is mistranscribed or the passenger list did not survive.
If you don't mind my asking, how do you know that they travelled on a Red Star Liner?
Susan
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It was in a biography in one of those local history books. I wonder if it could have been the wrong liner.
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There's also http://members.shaw.ca/nanaimo.fhs/ if they came through Montreal/Quebec.
There's a possible, indexed arriving 29 May,1907 on the Mount Royal,
surname "Salas?"
Wactaw, 24
Marya, 24
Anna, 2
page 017-016
The original is not easy to read (I find some of their online scans are not at the ideal resolution/contrast).
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e147/e003663902.jpg
No sisters/mother and their destination is only given as "Montreal".
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Great find, Jorose. I'm embarrassed that I hadn't checked there....it was a very ambitious project done by my local Family History Society!!
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Wow! Thank you so much for finding that!
The family did live in Poland before they lived in Canada. I searched the .pdf index for "29 May,1907" and found there were two passengers named Jeryna and Marya "Salima," who were Russian Galician, which fits with James and his family. Their birth countries/areas have been given as Russia, Poland for Mary, and Galicia. That leaves out one of the family members, probably his mother.. I can't seem to find Jeryna and Marya on the photocopy of the actual lists and I can't find the other list when searching on the Library and Archives site. ???
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http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/passenger/001045-100.01-e.php
- search the lists here - I usually just put in the ship name and year.
The two women you mention - looks like mother and child - are towards the end of the list (page 33 on LAC), under "Supplementary" with some others (might just mean they were accidentally left off when the list was originally being compiled and added on the end). They were heading to Winnipeg.
It's possible the mother/sisters followed on a later ship. Have you been able to track this family on the 1911/1916 censuses?
ETA: is the Valclav Salaba who died in 1914 a relative? His estate record is on familysearch and it says he was from "Punnichi". His wife was Anna.
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There was a "V Salaba" on the 1911 census who lived on the same piece of land that James lived on, so it must be him. He was on the last line of the page and it listed him as married (though his wife and children are not listed), born in 1884 and came to Canada in 1904. I also have them and their family on the 1916 census, which didn't provide any information about their parents, siblings, etc.
Vaclav and James's homesteads were six kilometres apart. In the information I have about Vaclav, his name varies: James Salaba Snr. (which means that he had a son named James), Vachia, Vaclav, Vaslen, and Vaslev. ??? I have not found Vaclav or his family on a census.
As for the link on the family search site, thank you so much! I actually do have a bit of information on his homestead and what happened to it after he passed away, but this names his family members. It looks like the James I was seeking information about wasn't his son...
On pages 10 and 16, it lists his wife as Anna Salaba (she remarried shortly after), a 48-year-old son named Jim, and six daughters whose ages range from 45 to what looks like 19. James was only about 33 in 1914.
The confusing thing about Vaclav and James is that they lived so close together and both knew the same neighbour, who lived north of James and southeast of Vaclav. I know that Vaclav was born in Russia, year unknown, and in 1911, listed five members in his family: a 55 year old man, a 49 year old woman, and three girls, aged 20, 18, and 16.
I don't know what to think anymore. ???
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Could these also be part of the same family,arriving Canada later?All born Russia
Name:
Anna SALABA
Date of departure:
13 June 1911
Port of departure:
Southampton
Destination port:
Quebec
Destination country:
Canada
Date of Birth:
1859 (calculated from age)
Age:
52
Marital Status:
Single
Sex:
Female
Occupation:
Servant
Notes:
Passenger recorded on:
Page 8 of 16
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The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -
Johene SALABA
Stasyje SALABA
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Ship:
ALBANIA
Official Number:
110797
Master's name:
Geo F Jeffries
Steamship Line:
Cunard
Where bound:
Quebec, Canada
Square feet:
14747
Registered tonnage:
5012
Passengers on voyage:
406
Sorry if I added any more confusion,to your search but I thought I would post it just in case.
Stevee
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Interesting! Thank you. Those names aren't familiar to me, but I wonder if Johene is the same person in the "Treasury of Memories" local history book from the Kolin, Saskatchewan area. Kolin was formed when Bohemians settled in the area.
I found a "Joh. Salaba," along with a Sophia Yecny, from the SaskGenealogy Saskatchewan Resident Index search. "Joh." is the only Salaba on the list who I don't know about.
I have also tried searching for Mary Anne's family. Her maiden name was Slawik. The spelling varies depending on source. She was born in or around 1882 possibly in Poland.
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Pages 20 and 24 of that file on Vaclav mentions a "proposed sureity," Stanley Yecny of Esterhazy, which is near Kolin, where a Joh. Salaba and Sophia Yecny lived. ???
edit: Just searched the OurRoots.ca website...
page 169 of "The History of Atwater, Saskatchewan" says that a Joe Knezacek married Sophia Yecny. She passed away in 1912 or 1913. He then married a Johanna Salaba and they farmed in the Atwater, Saskatchewan district. When he passed away in 1937, Johanna remarried and passed away in Stocholm, Saskatchewan in 1949.
Interestingly, Vaclav's youngest daughter was named Jennie Knezacek. Not sure how she got her last name. Joseph Knezacek of Atwater is mentioned on page 20 of Vaclav's file and on 23 as a "proposed sureity."
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Pages 20 and 24 of that file on Vaclav mentions a "proposed sureity," Stanley Yecny of Esterhazy, which is near Kolin, where a Joh. Salaba and Sophia Yecny lived. ???
edit: Just searched the OurRoots.ca website...
page 169 of "The History of Atwater, Saskatchewan" says that a Joe Knezacek married Sophia Yecny. She passed away in 1912 or 1913. He then married a Johanna Salaba and they farmed in the Atwater, Saskatchewan district. When he passed away in 1937, Johanna remarried and passed away in Stocholm, Saskatchewan in 1949.
Interestingly, Vaclav's youngest daughter was named Jennie Knezacek. Not sure how she got her last name. Joseph Knezacek of Atwater is mentioned on page 20 of Vaclav's file and on 23 as a "proposed sureity."
Hello S1233,
I would be very interested in what you have found here. I believe that Johanna(Johene) is my mother in laws grand mother. I am very interested in where she is from and the relationship to Anna and Stasyja. I found in the national archives from the uk the original document that had her Anna and Stasyje boarding the Albania.
Jim
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Pages 20 and 24 of that file on Vaclav mentions a "proposed sureity," Stanley Yecny of Esterhazy, which is near Kolin, where a Joh. Salaba and Sophia Yecny lived. ???
edit: Just searched the OurRoots.ca website...
page 169 of "The History of Atwater, Saskatchewan" says that a Joe Knezacek married Sophia Yecny. She passed away in 1912 or 1913. He then married a Johanna Salaba and they farmed in the Atwater, Saskatchewan district. When he passed away in 1937, Johanna remarried and passed away in Stocholm, Saskatchewan in 1949.
Interestingly, Vaclav's youngest daughter was named Jennie Knezacek. Not sure how she got her last name. Joseph Knezacek of Atwater is mentioned on page 20 of Vaclav's file and on 23 as a "proposed sureity."
Hello S1233,
I would be very interested in what you have found here. I believe that Johanna(Johene) is my mother in laws grand mother. I am very interested in where she is from and the relationship to Anna and Stasyja. I found in the national archives from the uk the original document that had her Anna and Stasyje boarding the Albania.
Jim
Hi Jim, my old account was S1233 but I forgot the password... I am still trying to learn more about Johanna, Anna, and their family. Please let me know how I can get in contact with you so we can trade what information we have about the family. Thanks.
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Pages 20 and 24 of that file on Vaclav mentions a "proposed sureity," Stanley Yecny of Esterhazy, which is near Kolin, where a Joh. Salaba and Sophia Yecny lived. ???
edit: Just searched the OurRoots.ca website...
page 169 of "The History of Atwater, Saskatchewan" says that a Joe Knezacek married Sophia Yecny. She passed away in 1912 or 1913. He then married a Johanna Salaba and they farmed in the Atwater, Saskatchewan district. When he passed away in 1937, Johanna remarried and passed away in Stocholm, Saskatchewan in 1949.
Interestingly, Vaclav's youngest daughter was named Jennie Knezacek. Not sure how she got her last name. Joseph Knezacek of Atwater is mentioned on page 20 of Vaclav's file and on 23 as a "proposed sureity."
Hello S1233,
I would be very interested in what you have found here. I believe that Johanna(Johene) is my mother in laws grand mother. I am very interested in where she is from and the relationship to Anna and Stasyja. I found in the national archives from the uk the original document that had her Anna and Stasyje boarding the Albania.
Jim
Hi Jim, my old account was S1233 but I forgot the password... I am still trying to learn more about Johanna, Anna, and their family. Please let me know how I can get in contact with you so we can trade what information we have about the family. Thanks.
I would like to have any info you have on this. I cannot respond by messages. I have not posted enough i guess. If you see this please message me with an alternative to contact you (e-mail?).
Jim
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Pages 20 and 24 of that file on Vaclav mentions a "proposed sureity," Stanley Yecny of Esterhazy, which is near Kolin, where a Joh. Salaba and Sophia Yecny lived. ???
edit: Just searched the OurRoots.ca website...
page 169 of "The History of Atwater, Saskatchewan" says that a Joe Knezacek married Sophia Yecny. She passed away in 1912 or 1913. He then married a Johanna Salaba and they farmed in the Atwater, Saskatchewan district. When he passed away in 1937, Johanna remarried and passed away in Stocholm, Saskatchewan in 1949.
Interestingly, Vaclav's youngest daughter was named Jennie Knezacek. Not sure how she got her last name. Joseph Knezacek of Atwater is mentioned on page 20 of Vaclav's file and on 23 as a "proposed sureity."
Hello S1233,
I would be very interested in what you have found here. I believe that Johanna(Johene) is my mother in laws grand mother. I am very interested in where she is from and the relationship to Anna and Stasyja. I found in the national archives from the uk the original document that had her Anna and Stasyje boarding the Albania.
Jim
Hi Jim, my old account was S1233 but I forgot the password... I am still trying to learn more about Johanna, Anna, and their family. Please let me know how I can get in contact with you so we can trade what information we have about the family. Thanks.
I would like to have any info you have on this. I cannot respond by messages. I have not posted enough i guess. If you see this please message me with an alternative to contact you (e-mail?).
Jim
Hello, I sent you a message with my email address. Feel free to email me anytime. :) I have one picture of Johanna/Jennie that I can send you as well.