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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Shropshire => Topic started by: joeeeangel on Friday 31 August 12 00:28 BST (UK)
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Hi. I am at my wits end trying to find this fellow! My Fitzgerald's are all from Oswestry, and I have so much information on them, however I have one man that I have discovered and I can't fit him into the family. William Fitzgerald was born about 1834 Oswestry and I have no idea who is parents were. I have found him in two census' 1881 and 1891. He married an Elizabeth Unknown, and had two children (Both born Antrobus) Ann and Henry. I have been told that all early Fitzgeralds in Oswestry were related and can't fit in this family. How can I find his parents? And what happened to his wife and children? They have all disappeared and I am going crazy. Any help with this family, or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Jo Aus
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Hi re the unknown Elizabeth, this appears to be her with children in 1871:-
Joseph Simpson 61 b Cheshire
Elizabeth Taylor 28 Unmarried occ Servant b Whitley Cheshire
Henry Taylor 2 Servants Son b Antrobus Cheshire
Ann Taylor 3 months Servants Daughter b Antrobus Cheshire
Residing at Belmont Lodge, Antrobus
Census Ref RG10/3688/14/21
Looks like they married March qtr 1875 Northwich 8a 343
Keyboard86
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Good one keyboard.
William and Elizabeth also have another son Walter born 1882 with them in 1891
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You have got to be kidding me! We have photos of Unknown Taylors in the family and have no idea where they have come from??? How did you find this? OH MY GOSH!!!!!!!!!!!! The photo was taken in Pennsylvania?????????
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Hi again, was Walter their son, as this appears to be Elizabeth in 1901:-
Elizabeth Fitzgerald 59 Widow occ Charwoman b Whitley
Walter Dodd 17 Adopted Son b Stockton Heath
Elizabeth Rutter 61 Widow/Boarder Blind last 2 years b Stockton Heath
Residing at School Yard, Stockton Heath
Census Ref RG13/3331/99/44
Death William Fitzgerald Sept qtr 1898 Runcorn 8a 149 aged 65
Possible death for Elizabeth:-
Elizabeth Fitzgerald Dec 1910 Runcorn 8a 134 aged 65
Keyboard86
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Hi having real trouble tracing William back, anyone willing to have a go!
Keyboard86
PS just bumping this up to help our new R/C out ok, although the marriage cert may be the best course of action!
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Have you considered this one? He's few years older but the only William Fitzgerald in Oswestry in 1841
HO107/915/7/4/1
Willow Street, Oswestry
May or Mary Fitzgerald, 45
Samuel, 20, Attornies (sic) Clerk
William, 15
Joseph, 12
All b. County except May/Mary
Apart from a Sarah at HO107/915/7/13/18, this is the only family of Fitzgeralds in Oswestry in 1841
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Hi Brevitas, considered that one, but throughout the later returns he shows on, and also the death I posted, he is pretty consistant with b c 1833/4?
Keyboard86
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There would be a big age difference between him and Elizabeth. It's not uncommon for ages to be adjusted on censuses to take this into account. Alternatively, he might have been wrongly aged on the 1841. Never trust a census age!
It's the only Fitgerald family in Oswestry in 1841. My money's on this one.
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Interestingly, the Samuel Fitzgerald on the 1841 has a son called Walter by 1851
H0107/1993/591/8
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The remains of the family are at HO107/1993/489/51
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;D OK find him 1851/61/71!
Keyboard86
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He was a painter on one of the later ones wasn't he?
1861 - is down as a painter and glazier independent in Oswestry RG9/1878/70/27 *
Married to an Emeline - check for a death.
* added - also I see Primitive Methodist Preacher in squeezed writing underneath
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Hi again Brevitas, I stand corrected as looking good at present!
John Fitzgerald aged 11 and a William aged 8 are in The Oswestry House of Industry in 1871 Census ref RG10/2780/60/12
Matthew Fitzgerald aged 13 is a Servant for a Williams family.
Census ref RG10/2780/30/2
Louisa Fitzgerald aged 15 and a Henry J aged 7 are shown as Stepchildren to a Thomas and Amelilia M Hollis in Birkenhead
Census ref RG10/3751/159/1
Keyboard86
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Yes - saw all that earlier!
I'm thinking that there was some kind of marriage breakdown as I can't find a marriage between Amelia (variations) and Thomas Hollis and no death for William (his father is there but not him)
These things did happen :-\
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Yes - saw all that earlier!
I'm thinking that there was some kind of marriage breakdown as I can't find a marriage between Amelia (variations) and Thomas Hollis and no death for William (his father is there but not him)
These things did happen :-\
Agree, but why decide to change your age by approx 8 years why not 5 etc from 1881 onwards?
But I am leaning to it must be him!
Keyboard86
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HI everyone, wow, so great that you are all offering to help! The other William is my direct ancestor and he had quite a few children including Samuel, Joseph, William (My ancestor) Christiana, Sarah and a few children who died as babies. This is why it is so odd...he doesn't fit but we are 100% positive he is a relative. Aaaarrrrgggh!!!
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Hi again, only just realized that there were two pages!! Yes William married Amelia Agnes Thompson, they separated when Amelia went to prison in 1863. He died in 1866. Catherine (My ggggmother), Matthew, Louisa, William, Henry were children of theirs. Amelia then took up with Thomas Hollis (they never married) and had three more children to him. She died in 1908.
Every single Fitzgerald in Oswestry I can connect except for this fellow. I have no idea where he came from or who his parents were. Do you think I should order that death certificate if we think it's him?
Thank you everyone so much for helping me, you are completely wonderful :)
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Hi
Is he the one who died in Ashton under Lyne, aged 39? If so, I'd be tempted to get the death cert. It won't have much on it - his occupation, place of death and informant but it might be enough to tell if he really was the William or someone else.
Have you checked the newspapers, etc. to see if there is anything about the family?
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Just looked on the 1861 census for a William in Ashton under Lyne:
We have this one at RG9/3002/26/45
2 Pedlars Row, A under L
William Fitzgerald, 38, Master Tin Plate Worker, b. Ireland
(with wife and 3 children plus apprentice)
This could be the one who died (age only slightly out) and yours might then have survived to take up with Elizabeth. Need to follow through - the A under L family not found in 1871 so far.
Also a possible in Manchester at RG9/2930/95/13
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William Born ABT 1799 DIED IN 1868, and his son William (Married to Amelia) died in 1866. I haven't found him in the papers, I don't know where to look? :(
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Also, we have the Ireland born William and he is not connected to our family. We ordered that certificate so we could work out which William was ours!!!!
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William Born ABT 1799 DIED IN 1868, and his son William (Married to Amelia) died in 1866. I haven't found him in the papers, I don't know where to look? :(
How do you know that this is his son, if you don't have the death cert? If the A under L one wasn't yours, where did yours die?
There's a Methodist research centre in Manchester that might have some info - I got some info on my Stokes line, who were Methodists from the same area as yours. I'll try to find the contact details for you.
Added - link: http://www.library.manchester.ac.uk/searchresources/guidetospecialcollections/methodist/
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There are only two William Fitzgerald deaths of the approx age as yours registered in 1866 -
William Fitzgerald, Ashton under Lyne, aged 39
John W Fitzgerald, Stepney, aged 41
So, if it wasn't the Ashton under Lyne one, then he didn't die in 1866!
How did you find out that he died in 1866?
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I am such a goose and getting all confused!!! Yes, our William Fitz Jnr died in Ashton under Lyne, and Will Senior died in 1868 Oswestry. There are so many William Fitzgeralds...eeeeekkk! Just checked my family tree to make sure, and called my aunt to double check!
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My aunt has the certificates, and I have all the census information. It took us a while to follow this family as there were so many transcription errors. We only recently found this other gentleman, purely by accident, and wondered where he fit within the family. A genealogist a while back explained that all Fitzgerald's in this time period from Oswestry were the same family, hence our interest in locating this particular William's history. We have methodist information that list our William in the early methodist minutes from oswestry also. Other than that we haven't been able to find much else relating to the Methodist records. Jo
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The only thing that you can do then is to get that marriage cert that keyhole gave earlier:
Looks like they married March qtr 1875 Northwich 8a 343
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Awesome, I will do that. Thankyou kindly EVERYONE for offering help :)
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Hi
Some info from familysearch and cheshirebmd regarding marriage between William Fitzgerald and Elizabeth Taylor
Mar. date~ 8 February 1875, Little Leigh, St. Michaels, Chester
Grooms age~ 41
" father~ William Fitzgerald.
claire
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Thanks Claire :)
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Hi everyone! AS it turns out you were ALL RIGHT! This William was our ancestor all along and had a second family. The tin plate worker wasn't our fellow after all, and now we have an extra 30 years to add to our family tree. Just wanted to say a BIG thank you to everyone who offered their help, it was lovely of you all,
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