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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: PGC1962 on Friday 31 August 12 00:20 BST (UK)
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Hello All
I'm trying to trace info about my late father.
I've always believed he was born in Aghagallon 17th April 1911 (died Bristol 1989).
According to dad's marriage cert in 1940 his father was John Creaney deceased who had been a linen weaver.
Dad was born a few weeks too late to be in the 1911 census.
I've tried GRO & PRONI but they can't trace a birth cert for him.
I've written to St Patricks RC Church Aghagallon & they have no record of him.
I've applied to the Army Personnel Centre in Glasgow to see if they have his WWII service records.
But had a response that it will be 18 months before they will have time to search for them.
I know he had a bother called John who had two girls, one called Collette, the other name I don't know or the name of John's wife.
He also had a sister called Lizzie who married John Lavery & had children Desmond, Harry, John, Noel, Pauline & Seamus.
So as a long shot I thought I'd post on here in case anyone has any suggestions where else I can look.
Or a really long shot in case any descendants of my aunt & uncle happen to read this.
I would really appreciate any suggestions.
Thank you
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Hi and welcome
The 1911 census has only 2 entries for a John Creaney in Aghagallon - one was aged 78 and the other was 24 and unmarried
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Hi,
He is also on the 1901 census with his parents and siblings and his uncle, also John. See
Regards
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Many thanks Carole.
I've been on the National Archives web site to view 1911 census & tried searching different spellings of the surname & looking under other counties in case I'm mistaken about his place of birth. Also tried searching for Lizzie Creaney (family rumour was that he may have been raised by Lizzie which suggests she was older so should have appeared in the census). I've also searched for combinations of first names John & Lizzie as father & daughter.
But no obvious candidates jump out at me for further investigation.
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Hi,
In the 1901 census there is a 19 year old John Creaney in Aghagallon who was a servant to ELIZZA McCarry and her family
Regards
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Posting links to the census pages does help others see the information you've already found.
The 1911 census has only 2 entries for a John Creaney in Aghagallon - one was aged 78 and the other was 24 and unmarried
In both cases Aghagallon is the D.E.D. rather than the townland-
John Creaney age 78 and John Creaney age 24 (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Aghagallon/Derryclone/202877/)
same family in 1901-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Aghagallon/Derryclone/1002396
In the 1901 census there is a 19 year old John Creaney in Aghagallon who was a servant to ELIZZA McCarry and her family
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Aghagallon/Drumaleet/1002519
I've tried GRO & PRONI but they can't trace a birth cert for him.
If his parents weren't married the birth would be registered under his mother's name.
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From another angle, when James Lavery married Lizzie Creaney (father John, linen weaver) on 20 January 1926, the fact she was full age should make her show in the 1911 census ...
Is this Lizzie (Elizabeth / Eliza, etc.) married to James Lavery the right one?
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Thanks Gaffy.
Yesterday I asked GRONI to search for a marriage certificate for James and Lizzie in the mid 1920's.
So this date looks like it could be them.
Hopefully the certificate will confirm where Lizzie was living prior to the marriage which may be proof of a link to the correct family.
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Hi PGC1962,
I work for the NI War Memorial Museum in Belfast and we are working towards verifying the list of casualties of the Belfast Blitz. I'm pleased to say that I've only a few more cases to verify until we have verified the military casualty list but one of the outstanding names is a young gunner in the Royal Artillery named Shaun Creaney, who is buried in St Colman's Lurgantarry
https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/2690046/creaney,-shaun/
Frustratingly, I can find no other record of his service or death other than the CWGC and your posts and profile came up in my searches due to the Patrick Creaney named in your footer. I was hoping you might be a relation or be able to help in some way?
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Possible parents a John Creaney married a Jane Farrelly 14 April 1921.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1921/09224/5337349.pdf
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This Search on https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
will get any BDM Registrations for them in Lurgan DISTRICT up to 1922
From the results one can select Births or whatever and even narrow by Decades
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/what-civil-records-are-on-line explains.
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Some people are wary using the Irish Government Civil Reg site for first time, as there are 3 stages to it, as follows..............
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Hello all & thanks for the ideas & suggestions.
Just to update, I finally found my father's birth record after speaking to one of the older family members in Ireland. They confirmed he was adopted & gave me his original surname. They did have a document with the info on but that was lost years ago.
Anyway, he was born Patrick Joseph Murphy 17-04-1911, mother Catherine Murphy (supposedly) of Glenbrook Ave, Belfast. But there is no Catherine Murphy recorded on 1911 census at Glenbrook Ave. So still a lot of investigating to do.
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Hello all & thanks for the ideas & suggestions.
Just to update, I finally found my father's birth record after speaking to one of the older family members in Ireland. They confirmed he was adopted & gave me his original surname. They did have a document with the info on but that was lost years ago.
Anyway, he was born Patrick Joseph Murphy 17-04-1911, mother Catherine Murphy (supposedly) of Glenbrook Ave, Belfast. But there is no Catherine Murphy recorded on 1911 census at Glenbrook Ave. So still a lot of investigating to do.
Did you not find that back in 2015....or had you waited a while to follow through? Just a bit confused, as folks have given of their time to help you this week, yet it seems you had the info you needed previously:
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** note added, just realised that this is also an old thread which was bumped in 2019 by another rootschat member, NIWM, and that those contributing in 2019, may not have noticed the thread start date of 2012, and to add to my confusion, PGC1962 bumped it again today, so I had initially thought it was a current thread.
So, it looks like this other old thread is where PGC1962 received the help needed back in 2015 to discover the record posted by them today:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=711924.9
PGC1962, assuming you are re-visiting your research on this family, given you posted on this old thread today, has anyone since 2015, been able to provide further clues re Catherine at all that you may have forgotten to mention? 'Joseph' does not appear as a middle name on the birth entry, could he have been given it at baptism? Have you considered going down the DNA route to see if that throws up any Murphy maches?
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Sorry.
I took a break from researching for quite a while. Today was the first time in a few years that I've logged on to Roots Chat & spotted that a few people had posted to this thread last year.
Hence I thought it might be a good idea to post what I had found to let posters know, plus possibly be useful to anyone else searching.
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Yes, I eventually noticed the various years and updated my comments accordingly. Just as a helpful suggestion, if folks are adding to a very old original post years later, they might consider starting with, in bold, something along the lines of "Re-visiting this old thread as have recently picked up research again or, if person bumping thread is no original starter, "spotted this old thread and wanted to add a question to it that may or may not be connected to the person being discussed....". This would help make it clear.
Anyhow, welcome back and yes, always helpful to have updates that might aid future researchers too. So, no other clues at all re Catherine? In case you missed seeing in my previous post, have you given consideration to using DNA as a tool to help possibly discover Murphy matches that might lead back to her? Have you looked at 'Catherine Murphy' marriages in the area after 1911 to see if by chance any have the Glenbrook address? Mind you, as the birth certificate states she was a Housekeeper, she may have only been working in and not from Belfast, and of course, may not even have gone on to marry at any time, or could already have been married and widowed. So many possibilities, hence why DNA might prove helpful.
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1910 and 1912 Belfast directories show William Magee at
1118 Glenbrook St.Ave. but neither of Patrick's parents are in the household for the census.
There is, however, a Catherine Murphy not far away at 31 Altcar Street-
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Pottinger__part_of_/Altcar_Street/218717/
Sadly, mother Catherine Burns, born in Scotland, had 12 children with only 3 living by 1911 (Catherine, her brother Thomas & one other sibling).
There might be other possibilites.
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1910 and 1912 Belfast directories show William Magee at 11 Glenbrook St. but neither of Patrick's parents are in the household for the census.
Am I having a totally off day and missing something else I should have noticed - who was William Magee (other than he lived at 11 Glenbrook Street) and is address under consideration not 18 Glenbrook Avenue (which also did not have a Catherine Murphy listed there in 1911) rather than 11 Glenbrook Street ? :D
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Sorry for my typos. Birth certificate lists both parents at 18 Glenbrook Ave. and directories & 1911 census show a William Magee at that address-
https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/gcomplete1910.htm
census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Pottinger__part_of_/Glenbrook_Avenue/228215/
census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002199766/
Added- William Magee died there a few years later-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1917/05225/4446447.pdf
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In case the Magee or Miskimmin family throw up any other potential ties to Catherine Murphy...this was the Magees at 1901 http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Court_Ward/Unity_Street/934986/ , based on Cecilia Miskimmin nee Magee of the 1911 being the Margaret Cecilia Magee who gave address as 30 Unity Street when marrying Samuel Miskimmin in 1898. Also, Samuel and Margaret/Cecilia at 1901 http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/St__Anne_s_Ward/Union_Place/960011/ .