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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: dawnyj on Wednesday 29 August 12 20:56 BST (UK)
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I am researching a branch of my family that emmigrated to Canada. The family originated in Bilston Staffordshire.
Some of the family moved on from Montreal and went to Toronto some went to Hamilton.
Here comes my strange puzzle....
One of the children John Russell goes to visit his sister Mrs Annie Mallaire(nee Russell) in November 1920 at 1314 Grant Avenue, Kenmore Akron Ohio. The street directories have a Fred Mallaire there with his wife Amelia. Amelia was born around about the same time as Annie. I was convinced that Amelia was really Annie as She lists both her parents as being in English. However a number of years later Amelia remarries and names her mother as Harriet Webb,
My Annies Mum was called Harriet but her surname was not Webb, it was Evans.
I cannot find any records for a marriage of Annie Russell to a Mr Mallaire, Birth Records in Bilston for her as Annie or anything pertaining to her after her name appears on the passenger listing when she arrives in Montreal as Annie Russell, or her brother Freds marriage where she is a witness in 1917 then finally the border crossing of her brother John who visits her and names her as his sister Mrs Annie Mallaire of 1314 Grant Ave.
Stuck isnt the word. What became of Annie Mallaire ??
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Posting information as it is found (in case any of it helps):
Draft Reg Card, WWII
Fredrick Randolph Mallaire, born July 16, 1886, Richmond Virginia. Living in Akron, Ohio. Dated April 27, 1942.
Border Crossing from Canada to U.S.
Frederick Mallaire, born Richmond, Virginia. Age 36 (born c1882). I cannot tell if he was married or single. Occupation: Clerk. Last permanent address: Toronto, Ontario. Ever in U.S.: checkmark. From: checkmark. To: July 1916. Destination: Akron, Ohio.
November 21, 1918, U.S. Citizen.
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1930 Akron census
Frederick R Mallaire and his wife, Amelia H, are listed with their 4 children.
Also shown living at that address are Charles H Waller, Janet and their two children. The Wallers were born in Canada. The Wallers immigrated in 1929. They are shown as "cousins". Possibly Amelia's cousins, as she was born in Canada and Frederick was born in Virginia?
Did your Annie have Waller cousins?
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Looking at the WWI Canadian Attestation Paper, could this be Charles?
Charles Henry Waller, born Lachine, Quebec. Harry Waller was his father.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0qjb/
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Thanks for this information. However this leads me to more confusion. We do have a wallett connection to america by marriage. Annies Aunt married a Thomas Wallett, whos father was American however Annies Aunt died quite early into the marriage. I dont know of any connection in the family as of yet to any Wallers?
more questions!!
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On the border crossing Amelia says she was born in Montreal ???
Border Crossing Canada to USA - Amelia Mallaire. born 1898 Montreal. Quebec. Canada. Port of Arrival: Buffalo, New York, 21 st November 1918. Citizen by marriage.
However, Amelia is living at the 1314 Grant Avenue address that John was going to in 1920.
Sandra
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Coincidence ???
There is a baptism record in Lachine. Canada for Charles Henry Waller born 8 th May 1897. Unfortunately the name of the father is not quite readable ::) but it starts Wil ???
The mother is Emma (Webb) Baptism took place at St Stephens Sunday 4 th July 1897.
Sandra
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Charley Waller is living with William and Emma in 224 Fardinard. Hochelaga. Montreal Quebec in 1911
William Waller 42 Born 1869 and Emma Waller 40 Born 1871
Lizzie Waller 18 Born 1893 Emma Waller 16 Born 1895
Charley Waller 13 Born 1898 Percey Waller 8 Born 1903
Ella Waller 7 Born 1904
Looking at a couple of the children's baptism recordsw - Emma born May 2 nd 1895 - Daughter of William Thomas Waller and his wife Emma (Webb) -
Elizabeth (Lizzie) 1893 parents are also given as William Thomas and Emma (Webb)
Sandra
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There is an Emma Webb on the 1891 Census of Canada in St Henri Town. Hochelaga.
Charles Webb 68 Born Eng. Gardener.
Derritt Webb 70 Born Eng. (Described Gendre = son- in - law ???)
Emma Webb 23 Born Eng. Described as Fille =Daughter) Servant.
Charles Webb 17 Born Eng. Son. Farming. (described as Gendre = son in law ???)
Sandra
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Curiouser and curiouser ::) - Just looking at a marriage record for Amelia Mallaire - it gives the mothers maiden names as Amelia Webb and her father as Jack Spicer. The birth date is also out again ??? Is this the same one you refer to ???
Amelia Harriett Mallaire - Amelia Harriett Spicer - 14 July 1898 In Montreal. Canada - aged 62 years. Resides 829 Elmore Avenue. Akron. 2. Married once previously.
Father's Name: Jack Spicer and Mother Amelia Webb
Spouse's Name: Leland Max Gott Birth Date: 19 Feb 1900. Married once previously now divorced. (25/4/51) Name of former wife. Mabel L. Gott.
Spouse Father's Name: Homer Gott and mother Emma Butler
Marriage Date: 10 Oct 1960
Sandra
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yes this is it. I wondered if annie who is a mallaire by marriage is staying for a short time with perhaps a brother in law. but, if thats the case why arent there any records?
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Might be an idea to try and trace all the other siblings to try and get obituaries to see if any mention Annie ???
Sister Nellie Russell/Woodward born January 27 1893 in Bilston, Staffordshire, England
and died Oct 5 1990 in Hamilton, Ontario.
Nellie and John Woodward had a son Leslie R. Woodward born Mar 17 1921 in Bilston, Staffordshire, England and died August 11 1992 in Hamilton, Ontario. (tree has photo of him)
Source Anc Tree - you could try contacting the owner of that tree to see if they can help.
Sandra
Added There seems to be a John A and a Nellie Woodward buried Woodland Cemetery. Wentworth. Ontario ???
http://ocfa.islandnet.com/ocfa-search.php
WOODWARD, John A. Woodland Wentworth Flamborough East HM-352-2
http://ocfa.islandnet.com/ocfa-search.php
Sandra
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Thanks sandra but have done that. i have located Nellies grandson, he is in hamilton, but he doesnt know any more than me. its John russells border crossing record and then the subsequent naming of his sister as annie mallaire thats thrown me. I thought i had found her from the city directory of akron, but, thats just thrown a bigger puzzle. I do appreciate your help intrying to solve this.
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Great finds, Sandra. Has this been mentioned, yet?
Border crossing
Florence M. Carruthers, born Carlisle, England, age 22, occupation Factory hand(?). Address: 84 4th St, Toronto, father: Robert Carruthers. Never in U.S.
Destination: Akron O - Fr - Mrs. Fred Mallaire, 1314 Grant Avenue. Looks like she will be staying two weeks.
1 July 1921.
The typed information states "arrival contact: Foster Sister Mrs. Fred Mallaire". I don't see that anywhere on the image. :-\
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Probably no help, but adding it anyway:
Border Crossing, 15 April 1920
Annie Smith, age 40, born Kesh(?), Ireland, husband Chas D Smith. Lives in Toronto.
Visiting Frd(?) Fred Mallair (Grant Avenue address)
I don't have access to border crossings from the U.S. to Canada. I wonder if any clues can be found with John Russell's return to Canada? Or, did Amelia/Annie visit Canada after her arrival in the states?
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Hmmmm - foster children - that puts another twist on it Lisa- dawnj recall you couldn't find the birth of Annie but how many of the other Russell births have you found ???
Didn't see John Russell border crossing from US to Canada.
The border crossing for Florence M Carruthers says she landed Quebec 1913 on the Hesperian.
Checked that one out - Robert Carruthers was 35 years old and Florence 14 years. There was also a Isabel Carruthers aged 18 years and a bisvuit baker, intended to beome a baker in Canada. Robert had been a coal-merchant and intended to become a farmer. They were going to Bowmanville. Ontario.
Sandra
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Hi Sandra:
I didn't see anything on the card stating foster sister. Can you view the image, please, and see if you see anything?
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Well done girls to find the carruthers family visiting the mallaires! The name still has no relevence that i know of in our family?? John russell was interviewed on arrival to buffalo by the border controls. He was admitted to the country after interview and stated the intention to stay for 1month with sister annie mallaire at 1314 grant ave.
I have found today a birth for an annie russell in west bromwich. After speaking with my mum she believes there was a nursing home for expectant mums in moxley which is on the bilston border however moxley comes under west brom! It is possible this could be Annie although all of the other children are registered as being born in wolverhampton.
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Ive now found a james spicer visiting his sister mrs fred mallaire at 33 elm street akron ohio!!!!
I have seen a later marriage for amelia?? Who names father as spicer. Apparently james born in london but lived in montreal, has a 14yr old daughter travelling with him.
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Hi Sandra:
I didn't see anything on the card stating foster sister. Can you view the image, please, and see if you see anything?
Sorry didn't see anything on the actual record.
Nothing further on Florence Margaret Carruthers. Born 1898 England and aged 28 years. Rubber Worker for Goodyear. Father Robert Carruthers and Margaret E Wilson
Death Date: 20 Oct 1926 - St Joseph's Hospital. York. Ontario.
Found the marriages for Joseph Lancelot (Marriage to Gladys Evelyn Bunn)and Robert Harrison Carruthers ( Marriage to Annie Clara Evelyn Young) (These were 2 brothers of Florence) but found nothing to help.
Sandra
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Further investigation on James Spicer born 1891 (brother of Amelia) was the son of Charles J Spicer - Birth 5 Oct 1861 in Radcliff, Middlesex, London, England
and died 6 Sep 1900 in Montréal, Quebec.
Amelia Jane Webb Birth 16 Feb 1869 in Mile End Old Town, Stepney, Middlesex, London, England and died 31 Oct 1946 in Montreal, Quebec, Canada.
Amelia remaried to Edward Morgan in 1902 (Droiuns Collection)
source anc tree - cannot see an Amellia listed with them though. ???
also a Russell family tree but that says Charles J Spicer married Jane A Rundle ???
On the first tree - interesting the parents of Amelia Webb were recorded as Charles Webb and Harriet Smith.
Reply 8 shows them with Emma Webb/Waller - mother of the cousin staying with the Mallaires on the 1930 census.
Sandra
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Thats brilliant research thankyou. It still leaves me wondering how annie is connected to them. Theres just no documentary evidence that i can see at! ???
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I just signed up with this and am not sure about all the people mentioned, but my great grandmother was named Amelia Harriet Spicer. She was born in Canada but her parents came from England. Her older brother was born on the ship while they were crossing over. She married my great grandfather, Frederick Randolph Mallaire in Canada and then they moved to Ohio.
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This quest is still ongoing. If anyone can shed any light I would greatly appreciate it.
In brief
Annie Russell is born Bilston England to Fred and Harriet Russell. They emmigrate to Canada on the Corsican in September 1911
I cant find Annie Russell again other than her Brother John on 20th Sep 1920 states on a US Border document that he is going to visit his sister Annie Mollaire or Mallaire? at 1314 Grant Avenue kenmore Ohio. (I know he is definitely the right John because the address he gives in Montreal is the correct address for his father Fred.)
The difficult thing is that there are Millaires living at that address on the American census.
The woman is named Amelia, on other documents her parents surnames are Spicer and Webb, she was born in Canada her parents were English?
I am assuming that possibly Annie has died? or left (possibly with John?) and cant trace them again??? Unless Amelia is Annie and has completely changed her name and for some reason lied about her family and origins this makes no sense .... What became of Annie????? Any advice appreciated!!!!
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I am researching a branch of my family that emmigrated to Canada. The family originated in Bilston Staffordshire.
Some of the family moved on from Montreal and went to Toronto some went to Hamilton.
Here comes my strange puzzle....
One of the children John Russell goes to visit his sister Mrs Annie Mallaire(nee Russell) in November 1920 at 1314 Grant Avenue, Kenmore Akron Ohio. The street directories have a Fred Mallaire there with his wife Amelia. Amelia was born around about the same time as Annie. I was convinced that Amelia was really Annie as She lists both her parents as being in English. However a number of years later Amelia remarries and names her mother as Harriet Webb,
My Annies Mum was called Harriet but her surname was not Webb, it was Evans.
I cannot find any records for a marriage of Annie Russell to a Mr Mallaire, Birth Records in Bilston for her as Annie or anything pertaining to her after her name appears on the passenger listing when she arrives in Montreal as Annie Russell, or her brother Freds marriage where she is a witness in 1917 then finally the border crossing of her brother John who visits her and names her as his sister Mrs Annie Mallaire of 1314 Grant Ave.
Stuck isnt the word. What became of Annie Mallaire ??
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I just signed up with this and am not sure about all the people mentioned, but my great grandmother was named Amelia Harriet Spicer. She was born in Canada but her parents came from England. Her older brother was born on the ship while they were crossing over. She married my great grandfather, Frederick Randolph Mallaire in Canada and then they moved to Ohio.
So sorry I have only just seen this. Please can you contact me!!! Ive tried to message you but your inbox is full. I wondered if it was possible if Frederick Randoph maybe had a brother and they all lived in Grant street until Annie and husband moved away or maybe Annie married him first and then dies and he remarries? The surname is unusual too and there isnt a lot to go on either?? Its strange how my cousin John went to visit his sister at that address but she isnt listed on the census?? I
I hope that you can provide me with some insight into this
Dawn!!!!
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Hi,
There is a marriage in Montreal 18 Feb. 1914 at Ste. Stephens Anglican Church
John Albert Woodward, tool setter, bachelor of Montreal, son of William Henry Woodward and Clara
Caddock and Nellie Russell, spinster daughter of Frederick Isaac Russell and Harriet Evans. She
signs as Nellie Russell. Witnesses Ethel Maud Ward, John Henry Tupper and Fred Russell.
There is a Canadian Passenger list in June 1921 on the ship Metagama,
Woodward, John Albert, age 34
Woodward, Nellie, age 28
Woodward, Nellie, age 5
Woodward, Lillian Patricia, age 2
Woodward, Leslie, age 8 wks.]
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-X9VY-R?i=24&cc=1823240&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3A2HGJ-GMP
With the 1921 passenger there is the Form 30A, each passenger has a sheet. On both
John Albert's and Nellie's sheets, they list F. Russell as father/father in law, 913 Albert St.
Montreal. Both of them born Bilston, England. The 30A Form is viewable through Ancestry
and Library and Archives Canada. For the moment Library and Archives Canada website is down.
DB
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Hi,
There is a marriage in Montreal 18 Feb. 1914 at Ste. Stephens Anglican Church
John Albert Woodward, tool setter, bachelor of Montreal, son of William Henry Woodward and Clara
Caddock and Nellie Russell, spinster daughter of Frederick Isaac Russell and Harriet Evans. She
signs as Nellie Russell. Witnesses Ethel Maud Ward, John Henry Tupper and Fred Russell.
There is a Canadian Passenger list in June 1921 on the ship Metagama,
Woodward, John Albert, age 34
Woodward, Nellie, age 28
Woodward, Nellie, age 5
Woodward, Lillian Patricia, age 2
Woodward, Leslie, age 8 wks.]
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-X9VY-R?i=24&cc=1823240&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3A2HGJ-GMP
With the 1921 passenger there is the Form 30A, each passenger has a sheet. On both
John Albert's and Nellie's sheets, they list F. Russell as father/father in law, 913 Albert St.
Montreal. The 30A Form is viewable through Ancestry and Library and Archives Canada.
For the moment Library and Archives Canada website is down.
DB
thankyou for looking! I do have this information, Nellie was Annies sister so you have the correct family
Not sure if you have ancestry but this is a link to her brother Johns border pass https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/1075/images/M1480_117-4535?pId=4895421
many thanks again
Dawn
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Hi,
Yes, just spotted the tree.
There is an obit in the Montreal Gazette, July 8, 1975 page 63 for sister Gladys
Marchlensky, Gladys d. July 7, 1975, wife of the late Stanley, mother of S. E. and G., sister
of Nellie (Mrs. J. Woodward) Hamilton, Annie (Mrs. B. Jack) Frances (Mrs. W. Caron) and
Florence (Mrs. C. Gagne).........
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=Fr8DH2VBP9sC&dat=19750708&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
For your records, an obit for husband Stanley, Nov. 22, 1974, page 63
Marchlensky Stanley, age 69, beloved husband of Gladys Russell, father of S.E. and G., survived
by brother John and sister Helen (Mrs. W. Babecki).....
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=Fr8DH2VBP9sC&dat=19741122&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
DB
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Hi,
Find a Grave, Cemetery Notre Dames des Neiges, Montreal
Caron, Frances b. 1899 d. Aug. 18. 1987 Lasalle, Quebec with obit., at the age of 88, beloved
wife of that late William Caron, dear mother of ......., survived by one sister Nellie Woodward
of Toronto.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/232832784/frances-caron
DB
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Hi,
Find a Grave, Rideau Memorial Gardens
Gagne, Florence b. 1901 d. 5 July 1983 Montreal with obit. age 82, wife of the late Charlemagne
Gagne, mother of ....... sister of Nellie, Annie and Frances......
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/232832938/florence-gagne
Obit. from the Montreal Gazette, Sept. 1 1973, page 22
Gagne, Charlemagne on Aug. 30, 1973, Charles Gagne husband of Florence Russell, father of....
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=Fr8DH2VBP9sC&dat=19730901&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
DB
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Hi,
Yes, just spotted the tree.
There is an obit in the Montreal Gazette, July 8, 1975 page 63 for sister Gladys
Marchlensky, Gladys d. July 7, 1975, wife of the late Stanley, mother of S. E. and G., sister
of Nellie (Mrs. J. Woodward) Hamilton, Annie (Mrs. B. Jack) Frances (Mrs. W. Caron) and
Florence (Mrs. C. Gagne).........
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=Fr8DH2VBP9sC&dat=19750708&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
For your records, an obit for husband Stanley, Nov. 22, 1974, page 63
Marchlensky Stanley, age 69, beloved husband of Gladys Russell, father of S.E. and G., survived
by brother John and sister Helen (Mrs. W. Babecki).....
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=Fr8DH2VBP9sC&dat=19741122&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
DB
This is fantastic! I know or Bert Jack but didnt know that he had married
annie and tbh never quite knew how he fitted in to things, What is more weird is why did John visit annie who was mallaire ? in America what then was the connection to their family? I am now trying to find a marriage for Annie and Bert but at present not being very successful,
thanks so so much for all of this. You are amazing!!!
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You're welcome. :)
There is an obit Montreal Gazette Dec. 28, 1983, page 54
Jack, Annie on Dec. 27, mother of Nancy, sister of Nellie, Toronto, and Frances, Montreal....
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=Fr8DH2VBP9sC&dat=19831228&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
Montreal Gazette Jan. 3, 1970 page 32
Jack, Robert Howard, husband of Annie Russell, father of Nancy, brother of Muir of Montreal, and
Alex of Barbados.
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=Fr8DH2VBP9sC&dat=19700103&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
DB
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Hi,
Sadly, a baptism and a death of Robert Jack, son of Robert Howard Jack and Annie Russell
Robert was born Jan. 6, 1918, witnesses were Harriet Russell, Frederick Russell and he died
June 28, 1920, witnesses Frederick Russell and Charles Gagne.
Montreal Gazette June 29, 1920, page 4, top of the page, so very tragic. :'(
Child killed from fall from window
Falling from the first story window Robert Jack age 2 years suffered a fractured skull and later
died.
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=Fr8DH2VBP9sC&dat=19200629&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
DB
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Hi,
Sadly, a baptism and a death of Robert Jack, son of Robert Howard Jack and Annie Russell
Robert was born Jan. 6, 1918, witnesses were Harriet Russell, Frederick Russell and he died
June 28, 1920, witnesses Frederick Russell and Charles Gagne.
Montreal Gazette June 29, 1920, page 4, top of the page, so very tragic. :'(
Child killed from fall from window
Falling from the first story window Robert Jack age 2 years suffered a fractured skull and later
died.
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=Fr8DH2VBP9sC&dat=19200629&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
DB
Oh that is awful. I feel really quite upset by this and surprised that no one in the family over here ever mentioned it. Nelly corresponded with the family in the UK so it seems strange that it was never discussed or passed down to later generations. That must have been devestating for them all. I also find it perculiar that in the obituarys only the sisters are mentioned and not the 2 brothers Frederick and John. I have now found Johns war records too. He was very young in the first war and suffered a heart condition after it due to being subjected to many gas attacks. It strikes me that the family suffered a lot of heartbreak. I wish I could fathom out why when returning to war John stated he is gong to Ohio to visit his sister Annie, who it appears was always with Robert Jack? Expecially as he gives the correct surname of the family at the correct address .... hmmmm all very interesting.
Im also fascinated at how you are tracking these stories down! Its heartbreaking to read but very insightful into the families lives in canada.
thanks so much
Dawn x
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Hi,
Just heartbreaking. Different times I think, and how people dealt with trauma. They were things
that just weren't talked about.
From the sister's obits, Gladys dies first and she is not mentioned in subsequent obits.
I haven't looked for the death of Fred and John, but perhaps they predeceased Gladys.
I have not spotted the marriage of Bert and Annie.
DB
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Hi,
Montreal Gazette Oct. 23, 1972 page 182
Russell, Frederick at his residence Oct. 20, husband of the late Mary Morris, dear brother of
(all sisters mentioned) No mention of John.
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=Fr8DH2VBP9sC&dat=19721020&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
Death of wife Mary Morris, Montreal Gazette Aug. 14, 1970 page 32
wife of Fred, sister in laws (all sisters mentioned)
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=Fr8DH2VBP9sC&dat=19700814&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
DB
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Hi,
Montreal Gazette Oct. 23, 1972 page 182
Russell, Frederick at his residence Oct. 20, husband of the late Mary Morris, dear brother of
(all sisters mentioned) No mention of John.
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=Fr8DH2VBP9sC&dat=19721020&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
thankyou; i have also now discovered that John was known by Jack and his wife called Lilly
i cant thankyou enough for the help
Death of wife Mary Morris, Montreal Gazette Aug. 14, 1970 page 32
wife of Fred, sister in laws (all sisters mentioned)
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=Fr8DH2VBP9sC&dat=19700814&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
DB