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Some Special Interests => Travelling People => Topic started by: Davewhitehouse on Wednesday 29 August 12 16:21 BST (UK)
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Does anyone know where the best place to find records of travellers, birth marriages and deaths is please ?
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Im trying to find a * who was resident at croft farm, park road,bedworth in 1946 she was approx * at the time, there is a high chance she was a traveller and I cant find anything, she had three sister and one brother who was in the royal marines ??
Any help super appreciated
* personal details removed in case this person is still alive. Please remember that Rootschat is not a forum for tracing living people
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they should be recorded at GRO -same as everyone elses.
Suz
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Well I still cant find anything suz
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I am still looking - but it is difficult without a definate year of birth - if there are any middle names ???
I have found 3 people b in Warwicks with the name you are seeking (can't post name as we are not sure she is deceased ) some have middle names -but it is difficult without more information.
I know you gave the address as Croft Farm Park Rd Bedworth - but did she live there - or if she was a traveller was she just staying there for a while ?? Maybe lliving in a caravan ??
It is only a family rumour that she was a traveller - family aren't always correct - little bits get added and taken away over time
Have you tried to get your mother's adoption records ?? Thay may give more information
I do keep having another attempt as this kind of family history is of big interest to me
Also remember it was wartime and there are lots of cases which are similar.
Do you know the names of her siblings??
If so could you PM them in case they are still living - the one who was in the marines - did he survive the war?? Where did you have this information from
I think you are just going to flounder unless more information can be found
I so want to help you
Suz
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Are you certain the address you have is correct - I have just looked at Park Rd Bedworth and it seems to be terraced houses - can't find any information on Crofts Farm??
Suz
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Thats what it says on the original birth certificate and the only info I have is from the court adoption paper and from letters from the adoption service
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I cant see a crofts farm and have tried to find maps of around 1946 to see but cant find one of them either, I can send you a pic of the birth cert if you want ?
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that's OK - If it wasn't Crofts Farm it may have been Cross farm - but can't find either
Where did you obtain info on the siblings??
Suz
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From a letter from warwickshire county council adoption service but how reliable the information is im not sure, I think i need a copy of the adoption certificate as my dad has the original and I dont see him and will only get that upon his death :(
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I think i need a copy of the adoption certificate as my dad has the original and I dont see him and will only get that upon his death :(
The adoption certificate will not give any details of the birth mother -just the names of the parents who adopted - it is used as a birth certificate - often children who were adopted were only showed a short form of this -which looks like a short form of an original birth certificate- this was done to keep the fact they were adopted "secret"
If you had a letter from Warwicks CC giving information about siblings then they must have access to the adoption records. As a direct line relative you should be given access to those records - your father willl not be a direct line relative to the person you are enquiring about
Would you PM me the information Warwicks cc have sent to you ? If of course you wish to
I was wondering if your ancestor was from Bedworth or just staying there
I found this on WW2 memories of silverdale
During WW2
" Seven girls - Bevan girls - worked making piston rings in a factory near Folesworth and were living in a hostel in Bedworth "
No names mentioned - but could Crofts farm have been a hostel in the war??
Suz
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Im not sure if she was from there suz I am only going off the birth cert at the moment as thats my starting point, she may not of lived there i have no idea , ill send you the letter from warwick cc, should i attach to this or send via email ??
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I'll PM you my e address - we are not to post e mail addresses on site (spam etc)
Suz
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address sent
I found 4 "Humphreys" who were killed in action WW2 while in the Royal Marines - but no information about their family
Suz
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Dave,
I think you have some help from where you originally posted your first message though you have not returned there to see what has been found, many helpers have given time but they are awaiting a reply from you.
Dont ignore offers of help from all places as you may miss the whole picture and find you are left in nowhere land
Edna
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I'm not ignoring any offers Edna but I can't seem to find my original post as they have been moved and do you mean on here or family ?
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Is this the topic you mean, Edna?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,612751.msg4617875.html#msg4617875
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Thanks aghadowey,
Dave has now been back to another Forum to reply, thanks Dave.
I had sent Dave here because of the Traveller/Showman question as I knew this site could help with it, but the other Forum was still awaiting a reply from Dave but he has now seen it and left a message.
Edna
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Edna- perhaps you could post a link to the topic on the other site to save us searching for details already found and advice already given.
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I cant post a link but have sent you a PM
Edna
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As a direct line relative you should be given access to those records - your father willl not be a direct line relative to the person you are enquiring about
above quoted from suzard.
Only an adoptee can access their OWN adoption record, this right can not be passed on to next of kin or anyone else
Edna
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Only an adoptee can access their OWN adoption record, this right can not be passed on to next of kin or anyone else
Edna
This is not exactly correct
A descendant of a deceased adoptee can apply - and ask for the magistrate's discretion to release information
It's a little more involved than that but permission is sometimes given (probably not always -but in my personal experience it was)
There was a campaign a few years ago - don't know if it is still in operation & don't know too much about it- basically for deceased adoptee's descendants to have same rights as the adoptee re records
Suz
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I have not heard of that before suzard but thank you I will look into it further.
Edna
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So am I right in thinking that I should contact warwickshire county council social services and see what they have to say as I and the kind people on here trying to help have a starting point and to make sure all the facts I have that all come from official paperwork are correct ?
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Ps yes I am on two forums and got confused which one edna was relating to but have found the post edna and appreciate all help
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I think you should do as suzard says Dave and try to get access to the records as she did and as she had instructed you to do.
I constantly hear that only the adoptee can see the record and not the family so would be interested to hear how you go on with it.
Edna
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Ok Edna I will speak to them first thing tomorrow if there in and if not first thing Monday and I will be visiting the records office on Saturday the eighth as its the first chance I will get to go over, which is all very weird as the 8th is the first anniversary of my mom departing us
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A sad day for you then Dave as memories of that day will still be very raw with you, but I hope you find things there at the archives to help you.
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Yes sad but she really wanted to find out about her bm and family so doing it for her, so it will keep me occupied that day and Im rather looking forward to finding out but its a lot harder than I thought it was going to be at the start anyway!!
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I'll mail you over the weekend (probably tomorrow), Dave
I think it is wonderful you are carrying on the research for your Mum - it's also uncanny coincidences with dates etc - but it seems to happen quite often as you do more research
Must go - busy day and evening
Regards
Suz
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Ok suz cheers and just a quick update for you and everyone
Ive just been on the phone to the Gro and the adoptee is the person who can easily gain her adoption records but basically it is possible a suz said, I have to write to the court who dealt with the adoption attaching paperwork to prove who I am, my moms death certificate and all paperwork I have in my possession that shows what information I hold as a blood relative, it is then upto the courts as to whether they disclose all the information they hold, so that is what I will do and also I can do the same with the council that sorted the adoption
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Brilliant - I bet you feel you are really starting now.
I will still mail you tomorrow - am catching up on other things at the moment
Suz