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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Denbighshire => Wales => Denbighshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: kerryfrater on Wednesday 29 August 12 12:01 BST (UK)
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I am trying to confirm the marriage of
Charles ROBERTS b 1843 Gresford to Elizabeth GRIFFITHS b 1841 Llanelidan.
The earliest known child is Mary b abt 1871 so marriage is likely 1860's to 1871.
I am trying to confirm the parent's names of Elizabeth.
BMD have two Elizabeth's born in 1840 & 1841 and I would like to identify which was married to Charles.
Many thanks
Kerry
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Did you get Elizabeth's maiden name from one of their childrens birth certs?
Was Mary born in Denbighshire or elsewhere?
Which census did you get their profiles from as I cannot find a Charles Roberts b Gresford 1841-1845
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1881 has a Samuel Roberts b 1843 Gresford wife Elizabeth b Wrexham and they have a son Charles b 1873 Gresford but Elizabeth's maiden name seems to be Jackson
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1871 they are in Warwickshire with daughter Mary age 1mth b Warwickshire
Suz
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ref 1871
RG10 3142 37 23
Charles Roberts age 26 (p.o.b. is transcribed as Waxham Derbys), Elizabeth p.o.b. transcribed as Landelon Derbyshire , Mary 1mth b Warwicks, and Samuel Roberts (brother) age 16 p.o.b. transcribed as Waxham Derbyshire!!
Suz
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It would be helpful if we could find the Elizabeth Griffiths before her marriage?She doesn't show too readily.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Thank you all for your help so far.
I have a copy of Charles's birth cert. It reads as 27 April 1843 in Hope District, Wrexham to John ROBERTS & Ann ROBERTS.
On the 1851 census they are living in Gresford Lane, Gresford Denbighshire.
I have a marriage of a Charles ROBERTS marrying in Birmingham district in 1906. This Charles is the son of the Charles Roberts I am checking.
The 1891 census shows a Charles ROBERTS (senior) with wife Elizabeth in Ladywood Birmingam with a son Charles of the correct age. By 1901 Charles had died leaving Elizabeth a widow.
The 1891 census shows Charles as from Gresford and Elizabeth shows her as Llan something. In the 1901 census shows her as Denbighshire.The writing is difficult but we think it is Llanelidan. This is where we get the approx birth year of 1841.
Another researcher states that Elizabeth is Elizabeth GRIFFITHS but I cannot find a marriage between these two in Birmingham or Denbighshire. I have an eldest child, Mary, born around 1871 so I have looked for marriages from 1856 to 1872 in Denbighshire and Birmingham. I have searched where an Elizabeth is shown to have married at the same time as a Charles ROBERTS.
I only found (all marked as Wrexham) Elizabeth BATE Q Mar 1866, Elizabeth Jane HUGHES Q Mar 1872 Wrexham & Elizabeth ROGERS Q June 1872. No exact matches here.
When I am given other searches I tend to presume it is correct then I seek to verify or disprove.
In the Ruthin births there are two Elizabeth GRIFFITHS that could match the time period, one born Q Sep 1840 and one born Q Dec 1841.
Presuming the marriage is in the same district there is one Eliz GRIFFITHS shown marrying in Ruthin in Q Jun 1858 poss. husbands being Thomas HUGHES & Ishmael ROBERTS
In the Q Jun 1862 there is an ELizabeth & John ROBERTS listed but John is shown as Ruthin and Elizabeth as Wrexham
In Q Dec 1865 Elizabeth is shown with Richard ROBERTS at Conway
After that we are in 1873 and beyond.
I do have a copy of the baptism record of an Elizabeth to John & Jane Griffith on 24 Dec 1841 in Llanelidan, which would fit.
I just cannot find the link between this Elizabeth GRIFFITHS and Charles ROBERTS.
Just looking and hoping for a breakthrough really.
Regards
Kerry
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All things being equal,this is the only Elizabeth Griffiths born in Llanelidan I can find.She is living in what is given then as Trefor Uchaf Merionethshire with parents John and Jane in 1851.
HO107/2509/434/11.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Thank you for that.
I will have to keep digging.
Regards
Kerry
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Mary's birth certificate should show Elizabeth's maiden name
This looks like her birth reg
Mary Roberts
Mar qtr 1871
Aston
6d 277
they were living in Aston reg district at the time of 1871 census
1871
Duddleton on Nicholls Warwicks (Aston reg dist)
Charles Roberts Head M 26 R Porter b. Wrexham Denby(should be Denbigh -transcribed as Derbys)
Elizabeth wife 29 Landlidon? Denby(Denbigh -transcribed derbys)
Mary daughter 1month Birmingham Warwicks
Samuel brother U 16 Wrexham Denby(should be Denbigh -transcribed as Derbys)
RG10 3142 37 23
as Elizabeth was 29 years of age with her 1st child being 1month old -have you discounted the possibility of Elizabeth having been married previously??
Suz
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Thanks Suz,
I haven't looked at poss previous marriages yet. It is possible, but I would presume she would get remarried under her maiden name.
Many thanks
Kerry
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If widowed usually a remarriage would be in married name - but a birth reg from a child of 2nd marriage would give mother's maiden name (may sometimes give name from previous marriage as well)
so if Elizabeth Griffiths married "Joe Bloggs" and he died she would remarry as Elizabeth bloggs
Suz
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Thanks for the reminder Suz.
Can't find a previous marriage at the moment. But I will keep trying.
If I find the marriage then I'll get the father's name which hopefully will then I will start being able to put the correct jigsaw pieces into place.
Kerry
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All things being equal,this is the only Elizabeth Griffiths born in Llanelidan I can find.She is living in what is given then as Trefor Uchaf Merionethshire with parents John and Jane in 1851.
HO107/2509/434/11.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
I appreciate the reference. I suspect this is how the other researcher presumed the parentage of Elizabeth. I will have to check the deaths to see if the other Elizabeth (I did find two) died between 1840 and 1851. I know the the BMD indexes don't give the age at this point so it will be some slow digging for me.
Best wishes
Kerry