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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: LizzieW on Tuesday 28 August 12 15:07 BST (UK)
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My 4 x g.grandmother was buried on 10 February 1805 (according to Frodsham parish registers) making her aged 58 at death. She was baptised in 1747. However the gravestone states that she died on 8 February 1808 aged 58. Presumably the stonemason got the date wrong and no-one bothered to get it changed. Oddly enough, also on the gravestone is engraved the name and date of her daughter in law's death in 1825, even though the daughter in law appears to be buried in a different grave with her husband (that is d.i.l's husband). The gravestone is standing up.
Surely stonemasons wouldn't make a mistake on a gravestone, especially as in 1805 not many people would have been able to afford one. Her husband was a Yeoman and when his will was proved after his death in 1817 he left about £600. Oddly although the date of his death and burial is shown in the parish registers there is no sign of his gravestone.
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I have two stones where the date is wrong on them. One in the 1820's and the other in the 1940's
I just accept these things do happen and once done its too expensive to undo.
I am not surprised mistakes happen. I am surprised there are so few.
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LizzieW - an idea - the stone wasn't engraved until, say, after her DiL's death by which time the family had got confused & gave the wrong year to the person doing the engraving. It would seem strange to put a future date on the stone if it was done soon after the first death, which to me does suggest a later stone. Of course it could still be the mason's error.
I'm aware of an error made in the 1990s on the stone of a distant relative - it was spotted & corrected, but only after the stone had been put up.
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I have one from 1943, .....only a year out! I'm guessing that the wife subtracted his age from the year he died and came up with his year of birth :)
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This particular stonemason seems to have got himself in a muddle. My 4 x g.grandmother's stone which is still standing has her name and "wrong" date of death inscribed, plus her daughter in law's name and date of death, she being my 3 x g.grandmother. That stone is still standing and on the reverse of it, he has then carved the daughter in law's name again, her husband's name being added some 20 years later.
However, the stonemason then carved another stone for the daughter in law, her husband's name added some 20 years later, this stone is laid down, so whether there is more inscriptions on the back of that one who knows.
In which gravestone my ancestors are actually buried, I have no idea and interestingly, my 4 x g.grandfather's name doesn't appear on any of the gravestones, despite being buried in the same churchyard.
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It could be that, perhaps, when my 4 x g.grandfather died and was buried the family didn't have enough money to get his name engraved on the stone, (despite leaving around £600 which of course he split between all his children, 6 of them still alive at the time, but when the d.i.law died a few years later they decided to get two engravings done at the same time and the stonemason got confused and carved the d.i.law's name instead of my 4 x g.grandfather.
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Got a few "later-added" too.
Have a few headstones where the mother dies, then the children who died before her are added :(
Modified: ...talking to myself here and trying to make sense of my own family gravestones ::) .............please excuse me :P
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'My 4 x g.grandmother was buried on 10 February 1805 (according to Frodsham parish registers) making her aged 58 at death. She was baptised in 1747. However the gravestone states that she died on 8 February 1808 aged 58. Presumably the stonemason got the date wrong and no-one bothered to get it changed. '
Surely there is nothing unreasonable here: the stone records the date of death as the 8th, and the Register records the date of burial as the 10th. It is only comparatively recently that Burial Registers actually record the date of death.
williamtov
Sorry! Missed the point that it was the year, now pointed out to me by my wife. I think your explanation is right: no-one's infallible.
w
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Never take anything you read for granted, always try to find other sources to back up your evidence, even if it is written in stone it may not be correct.
Tombstone, Holy Trinity Church, Ossett, W. Yorkshire. -
In memory
of
Daniel Overend,
of Ossett Street Side,
who DIED December 30th 1864,
aged 27 years.
Grieve not dear wife but be content,
For unto thee I was but lent,
My time is over, my glass is run,
Therefore to me prepare to come.
Also Martha, wife of Richard Codley,
of Dewsbury,
who died February 31st 1898,
aged 61 years.
Also of Dan Craven,
who died April 9th 1913,
aged 67 years.
"Peace perfect peace."
Cheers
Guy
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The gravestone on my avatar has two errors of date
- one I can understand, as I'm pretty sure it was engraved 30 years later after another death
- I've no idea how the other occurred.
And another family grave in that cemetery is also wrong!
eadaoin
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Seems to have been a recurrent problem.
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Lizzie, is this a transcription of the Headstone, or have you seen the actual stone? A transcription could be incorrect. The numbers 5 and 8 especially when carved in stone, can look very similar.
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Lizzie, is this a transcription of the Headstone, or have you seen the actual stone? A transcription could be incorrect. The numbers 5 and 8 especially when carved in stone, can look very similar.
Those were my thoughts, especially if the inscriptions are worn.
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A transcription could be incorrect.
I recently checked a memorial stone for a fellow Rootschatter.
The published transcription of the stone gave the person's age as 74. When I checked the stone it was quite clear that the age was actually 71 ::)
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I haven't seen the stone but I have a photograph that a kind Rootschatter sent to me and the date is very clearly shown as 1808, see photograph.
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Yes it is 58 - in that case it must be the stonemason's error? Perhaps the 5 and 8 weren't written clearly and he got it wrong. ;)
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Yes it is 58 - in that case it must be the stonemason's error? Perhaps the 5 and 8 weren't written clearly and he got it wrong.
It's the year of her death he got wrong, not her age. That is correct for her death in 1805. So he must have carved the stone 3 years after her death, unless he didn't know what the year was.
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Yes it is 58 - in that case it must be the stonemason's error? Perhaps the 5 and 8 weren't written clearly and he got it wrong.
It's the year of her death he got wrong, not her age. That is correct for her death in 1805. So he must have carved the stone 3 years after her death, unless he didn't know what the year was.
Yes, of course the 5 and the 8 in the year of death .... :-[
I suppose the stone could have been carved some time after her death. Still likely to have been the stonemason's error or misreading of the dates given to him. Someone sure got it wrong. ;)
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Also don't assume the people on the gravestone are the only ones buried there
There are 4 people buried in one grave
My gt grandmother
Her son in law
her grandson
Now when the parish records became available, my grt granmother's burial is missing
Also we know that 20-30 years later my great aunt was buried there, but she never got added to the inscription
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I assume my 4 x g.grandfather is probably in the grave too. According to the records he was buried in the same graveyard years later, but his name doesn't show up on any stone.
As well as people not on the stone being in the grave, in this instance there is my 3 x g.grandmother whose name is on the stone but who could be in the same grave, or in another grave with my 3 x g.grandfather as she has her name and date of death etc. carved on two stones!
Lizzie
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Seems to be an ongoing problem; - when my brother died, aged 35, in 1997 ... they put a birthdate that was 20 years out, on his stone. Anyone who didn't know would have thought he died at 15 years of age ::)
Took all sorts of hassle to get it fixed, too!
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I was looking at some MIs this morning for St. Martin, Seamer and came across the following
"Erected in memory of William son of John & Ann Halton who departed this life 16 Jan 1788/1789/1799 (corrections by stonemason)"
According to the NBI William was buried 18 Jan 1789, without seeing the stone I can only assume that the dates were carved in the order that they were transcribed and at some point after 1799.....
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Like in original documents gravestones can have errors on them. I found a gravestone of an ancestor whose death was 1 day out to the actual death certificate.