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Title: Two male ancestors not registered in WW1 military records
Post by: FidgeJ on Tuesday 28 August 12 14:04 BST (UK)
Two of my great grandfather's brothers would have been 26 and 17 when world war one began but I can't find either of them in the world war one records archive.
I can find my great grandad though.
I wondered if because one of his brothers was a vanman/driver on 1911 census that he may have been a reserved occupation.
The other was only a shop assistant so I assume he would have had to join up.

Anyone help me solve this?
I know its not my immediate relation but I still like to know  :)
Title: Re: Two male ancestors not registered in WW1 military records
Post by: rayard on Tuesday 28 August 12 14:13 BST (UK)
Records for some of my relatives aren't available either.  They were probably burned during WW2 during an air-raid. 
Other Members will be able to give better details on this.
Title: Re: Two male ancestors not registered in WW1 military records
Post by: nanny jan on Tuesday 28 August 12 14:29 BST (UK)
Hi,

About 70% of WW1 records were destroyed in the bombing in WW2;  if either of the men married or registered the birth of a child during WW1 then there's a good chance that the rank will be listed in the "occupation" column.

My gt.grandfather's death certificate of 1919 shows his occupation as " ex. Private, Labour Co" and also gives his service number.  His papers are among those that got partly damaged by the fire;  a bit singed round the edges but mainly readable!


Nanny Jan
Title: Re: Two male ancestors not registered in WW1 military records
Post by: suey on Tuesday 28 August 12 14:34 BST (UK)
WW1 records are known as The Burnt Documents.  

I have seen 30% quoted somewhere but I believe less than 25% of the records actually survive.  So not surprising if you can't find your relatives.
Title: Re: Two male ancestors not registered in WW1 military records
Post by: mmm45 on Tuesday 28 August 12 19:11 BST (UK)
If you can post their names there MAY be other avenues If they went overseas there SHOULD be a Medal Index Card also there was Army,Navy,RAF and Royal Marines and Merchant Navy

Ady
Title: Re: Two male ancestors not registered in WW1 military records
Post by: FidgeJ on Tuesday 28 August 12 20:15 BST (UK)
William Walter Fidgeon
Thomas Frederick Fidgeon
Both from Essex
Title: Re: Two male ancestors not registered in WW1 military records
Post by: gortonboy on Tuesday 28 August 12 20:22 BST (UK)
there is a medal card for a William W Fidgeon on the National Archives site,,,,but these only give basic details,,,name,number,regiment and medals awarded,,so no way of knowing if hes yours,,,but cant be many ww fidgeons around ?  ;)

Description:


Medal card of Fidgeon, William W

Hertfordshire Regiment

10302

Private

Bedfordshire and Hertfordshire Regiment

270204

Private
Title: Re: Two male ancestors not registered in WW1 military records
Post by: John915 on Tuesday 28 August 12 23:35 BST (UK)
Good evening,

If this is your man then he was still a serving soldier after the war. They didn't become the Beds and herts until 1919. I believe it's correct that from 1920 records are still with the MOD.

John915
Title: Re: Two male ancestors not registered in WW1 military records
Post by: barryd on Wednesday 29 August 12 00:17 BST (UK)
If a person was a serviceman in 1918 and was still living at the time of the original registration to the Absent Voters List 1918 they should be on those lists. Where were your two soldiers from?  That should be the place to look for them. If found their name, number, rank and regiment should be on the lists.
Title: Re: Two male ancestors not registered in WW1 military records
Post by: FidgeJ on Wednesday 29 August 12 11:59 BST (UK)
there is a medal card for a William W Fidgeon on the National Archives site,,,,but these only give basic details,,,name,number,regiment and medals awarded,,so no way of knowing if hes yours,,,but cant be many ww fidgeons around ?  ;)

Description:


Medal card of Fidgeon, William W

Hertfordshire Regiment

10302

Private

Bedfordshire and Hertfordshire Regiment

270204

Private


I've just looked these up - very helpful thank you.
I'm thinking the william w must be him because as you say there probably wouldn't be another one.
If they lived in Essex do you think they could be fighting for hertfordshire regiment?
I think I've also found Thomas:



Medal card of Fidgeon, Thomas



Corps

Regiment No

Rank



Machine Gun Corps

3216

Private



Royal Fusiliers

4938

Private

And my great grandfather:




Medal card of Fidgeon, Harry



Corps

Regiment No

Rank



Royal Garrison Artillery

24785

Corporal



Royal Garrison Artillery

24785

Serjeant

If I went down to the national archives at KEW do you think I could view these personally?
Title: Re: Two male ancestors not registered in WW1 military records
Post by: gortonboy on Wednesday 29 August 12 12:13 BST (UK)
you can download from the NA site for a small fee,,,or they will be available on Ancestry.But as i said,,,not much more to be learned from them other than medals awarded.
Title: Re: Two male ancestors not registered in WW1 military records
Post by: FidgeJ on Wednesday 29 August 12 13:44 BST (UK)
I know this may be a little ignorant of me but what was the difference between a corporal and a seargent's role?
It seems my great grandad was both