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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Kildare => Topic started by: Sammyr81 on Monday 27 August 12 12:58 BST (UK)
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hi, i have decided to do my family tree, but cannot get beyond my parents details. all I no is the names of my mothers parents. we are trying to locate some info but we do not have much information. just names. william and kathleen clare. kathleens maidan name ( behan) my mother was born in athy in 1956, her parents died when she was young. i have tried to research the clare family surname but absolutely nothing to be found in athy co kildare ireland :-[. can some one advise on what is next , or does someone know of the clare family athy co kildare.. please help. any information woukd be appreciated. ;)
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Do you have your mother's birth cert already ?
The Irish BMD Index on FamilySearch covers event up to 1958, so should probably include her birth, and her parents marriage if it took place here. Athy town is based in the registration district of the same name, so thats what to look out for on the Index.
The main problem is the very recent dates involved, since other than the BMD Index, very few records for this timeframe are available online, for reasons of privacy etc.
see : Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
Shane
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There are four possible children born to this couple on the BMD Index - but the dates are too recent for posting. I'll send the Index references to you by Personal Message once you have a few more posts (3 are required for you to have full access to this).
You can use these references to order certs from the GRO to see if they are the correct family.
Shane
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hi shane, thanks for your advise, above names mentioned are deceased. my mother does not hold a birth certificate. she was born at home and has searched for years for records on her birth, but could never find anything
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I dont see a Clare/Behan birth registered in 1956 - but there are several others between 1952 and 1958. Sometimes birth registrations were late, so appear in the next quarter, and some could have been missed from official records, although very few in the 1950s..
Reply once more to this thread, so the personal message system is fully available to you. I'll send those names...
S.
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There's a possible marriage for William and Kathleen in Athy district in 1950 - with his name listed as Clear :
Name: William Clear
Registration district: Athy
Event type: Marriage
Quarter and year: Jul-Sep 1950
Volume: 3 / Page: 228
A Kathleen Behan appears on the Index with the same details, so a possible bride to this William.
For notes on ordering certs, and the details they include see :
Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,599538.0.html)
Details included on a Marriage Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433042.0.html)
S.
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i am pretty new to this forum and only in early days of tracing my family. i am not sure how to work this forum out properly yet ..ha. sure with time i will :)
thanks Shane, U have been the first person to help me out . ;)
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I've sent you a PM with those names and references, which look to be four possible children for William & Kathleen.
You should receive a notification email from RootsChat with a link to the message, or you can click on the message link at the very top of the RootsChat webpage - look to the right of your username..
Shane
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:'(
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has anyone else that read my post have any further information about the Clare/ clear or Behan family formly of Athy or Calverstown co kilidare. I would really appreciate it. no one seems to know anything or where the family orginated from. please pm me with details regardless of small the info might be, many thanks ;)
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The best way to find out more is with that possible marriage cert to see if it fits. If it's correct it will give you clues to work back one more step..
Shane
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will be on to that tomorrow . i will let you know how i get on
sandra
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you mentioned in another thread that your Behan's may have come from Calverstown - a possible connection there in 1911 :
Behan household - Calverstown Demesne (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kildare/Ballyshannon/Calvertstown_Demesne/537200/)
S.
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back to Clare/Clear - quite a bit earlier than your Clare family, but there are a number of possible connections in Co. Kildare on the 1911 census - e.g.
an Andrew Clair - in Straffen (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kildare/Straffan/Newtownmacabe/539636/)
A Soldier surname of Cleare in the Curragh barracks (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kildare/Kildare/Curragh_Military_Camp/546079/) with his wife and children
and 17 people with the surname Clare (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=1911&surname=clare&exact=&firstname=&county=Kildare&townland=&ded=&age=&sex=&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=&birthplace=&language=&deafdumb=&search=Search&sort=townlandSort&pageSize=100)
Working back from the marriage might show a link to one of these housleholds
S.
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wow, ther is quiet alot of clares there, now to figure if one of those clares are related,, pity there wasnt a mention of a kathleen behan , that would get the ball rolling ::)
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probably a generation or two before your Kathleen... but worth keeping a note of while you gather more details.
S.
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I recently photographed most of the old section of St Michaels, Athy, and find I have no photo of Behan or Clare.
There is a record of a Clare headstone in Allen graveyard in Kilmeague
Esther Clare; Littletown Robertstown
8/2/1963 (aged 54)
husband-James; 14/7/1969 (67)
son-James; 26/3/2001 (57)
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There are also a lot of Behan headstones there, in the old section, which is the only section I photographed,
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I have a transcribed record from the same graveyard, and may be from the 'new' section.
Patrick Behan; 23/6/1949 (77) Ballintine
Patrick Domican; son-in-law
(erected by dtr-Kathleen)
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Jack
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hi jack and thank u for that info.. i no they are buried in the old graveyard in athy... there is no head stone or markings on it.... one question for u....do u have many photos of athy town yrs ago.....
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hi shane a few more questions why are some of kathleen behan/clare registered for birth and some are not.... her first child is using her mothers maiden name and the rest are her marraiges surname clare..... av u any idea ..
thanks
sandra
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the first child was probably born before the marriage - then the registration would be under the mothers surname. Occasionally births were not registered, or registered very late - so might turn up in the index a few months later than expected..
S.
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its all so cokmplicated aint it >:(
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I think if you could make contact with Celtic Damsel, who has very good knowledge of Athy, and also has good contact with the caretaker of St Michaels cemetery, and he might have details of the burials you are looking for.
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Jack
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hi sandra,
my aunt was kathleen clare nee behan from calverstown who died on the 5th of sept 1975. she had 2 daughters and 2 sons one of which died from drowning. she had 4 brothers billy, john, ned (edward), mick (michael) and 2 sisters margaret and polly (mary).
kathleens father, john behan, died in 1947 aged 75. buried in davidstown cemetry roughly half a mile outside calverstown.
hope this is of help to you. look forward to hearing from you.
john
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hi sandra. there is a record of baptism.
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sandra,
are you still looking for info or have you found what you need?
john
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Sandra hasn't been online for two years but will hopefully come across your messages and reply in the future.
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thanks. if you have a way of getting in touch with her just to let her know that she can contact me here as i have family info.
thanks
john
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Now that you've made a few posts you can try sending a message via the PM (Personal Message) system but you'll just have to wait for a response.
http://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php
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https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
Hi Sammy Loads of clares on that site.
Check the civil records
Cyril.
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Hi John,
Apologies, I have not been online for last 3 years, I gave up researching as it was breaking my heart hitting brick walls.. I am hoping you get this message and we can correspond some information.
Sandra