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Title: Marriage of norman abraham allen to betty jean hangan
Post by: Ausjules on Monday 27 August 12 08:17 BST (UK)
I am trying to find information on my maternal grandfather norman abraham allen/allan. He came to australia in the 40s or early 50s i presume. Norm and betty must have married  before 1954 when my mum was born :) maybe lol. I can find no information on norm, but mum tells me he was from county cork and had a sister joan. Betty (who changed her last name to ramsdale) died in 1995 and norm died a couple of years later in melbourne, they were no longer married. I believe they also gave a son up for adoption before my mum was born, but have no idea how to find information on that either. Any help would be most welcomed, cheers, julie :)
Title: Re: Marriage of norman abraham allen to betty jean hangan
Post by: deeiluka on Monday 27 August 12 08:40 BST (UK)
Hi Julie,


Would this be your grandfather's probate notice in the paper?

Norman Abraham Harold ALLEN late of South Yarra appeared 14th February 2006 in The Age?


Dee   :)
Title: Re: Marriage of norman abraham allen to betty jean hangan
Post by: Ausjules on Monday 27 August 12 08:53 BST (UK)
 Hi dee ;D yes i believe that is him! He was living in sth yarra the last that we knew.
Title: Re: Marriage of norman abraham allen to betty jean hangan
Post by: deeiluka on Monday 27 August 12 08:57 BST (UK)
That information came from
http://www.ryersonindex.org/
and you may be able to get someone to look it up. Whether it would hold any more information though is something I can't say.


Dee    :)
Title: Re: Marriage of norman abraham allen to betty jean hangan
Post by: Ausjules on Monday 27 August 12 09:15 BST (UK)
Thankyou so much dee, its a start :)
Title: Re: Marriage of norman abraham allen to betty jean hangan
Post by: deeiluka on Monday 27 August 12 09:35 BST (UK)
Here's what looks like some more.....

Mr N H A ALLEN aged 23 departed London on the Orcades on the 5th January 1951 for Melbourne.
Occupation given as Farm Worker
He was from Fruit Farm, Loughgall, Co. Armagh, N. I.


Dee   
Title: Re: Marriage of norman abraham allen to betty jean hangan
Post by: ~MERLIN~ on Monday 27 August 12 09:57 BST (UK)
He is buried at Springvale Botanical Cemetery which gives his DOB:

http://deceasedsearch.com/index.php
Title: Re: Marriage of norman abraham allen to betty jean hangan
Post by: ~MERLIN~ on Monday 27 August 12 10:46 BST (UK)
Perhaps he remarried?
In 1977 & 1980 Norman Harold ALLEN & Joyce Anne ALLEN are living at 33 Palermo St, South Yarra.
Title: Re: Marriage of norman abraham allen to betty jean hangan
Post by: Ausjules on Monday 27 August 12 11:02 BST (UK)
Wow! Yes, they both re-married. I only met them a couple of times and we called her joy, so that is definatly him :) thankyou
Title: Re: Marriage of norman abraham allen to betty jean hangan
Post by: ennael on Monday 27 August 12 11:05 BST (UK)
Archived Obit:

http://tributes.heraldsun.com.au/obituaries/heraldsun-au/obituary-search.aspx?daterange=99999&firstname=norman&lastname=allen&countryid=11&stateid=201&affiliateid=2413


Leanne
Title: Re: Marriage of norman abraham allen to betty jean hangan
Post by: ~MERLIN~ on Monday 27 August 12 11:10 BST (UK)
You can legally apply for copies of their death certificates.
Victorian death certificates are only restricted from public access for 10 years.
So, Betty's is available now & Norman's after 21/11/2012 which will give you information about their marriages, children etc.

You do not need to provide identity documents or third party authority if the death occurred more than 10 years ago.

http://online.justice.vic.gov.au/CA256902000FE154/Lookup/BDM_Access_Policy/$file/Periods%20of%20Restriction.pdf
Title: Re: Marriage of norman abraham allen to betty jean hangan
Post by: Ausjules on Monday 27 August 12 13:00 BST (UK)
Thats awesome, thankyou :) i have bettys death cert, but there was no mention of when they were married or of the adopted son, just previous marriage to norman allen. Betty was born 16th sep 1929 to jane rusk and harold goulbourne hangan. But i will order norms as soon as i can. Im just really wanting to know where he was from, and his irish relatives. Thanks again, julie :)
Title: Re: Marriage of norman abraham allen to betty jean hangan
Post by: tedscout on Tuesday 07 May 13 13:02 BST (UK)
Here's what looks like some more.....

Mr N H A ALLEN aged 23 departed London on the Orcades on the 5th January 1951 for Melbourne.
Occupation given as Farm Worker
He was from Fruit Farm, Loughgall, Co. Armagh, N. I.


Dee   

Did you see Dee's info. Have you looked for him in Loughgall?
Title: Birth/death dates for mary OSULLIVAN and john GRATTAN
Post by: Ausjules on Wednesday 08 May 13 04:59 BST (UK)
Sorry for the late reply. I have been in touch with some allens from loughgall and there is no mention of him in there family trees. Ive also checked ancestry.com etc but no luck. Hopefully when i get his death cert i will have more information :)
Title: Re: Marriage of norman abraham allen to betty jean hangan
Post by: cando on Wednesday 08 May 13 06:04 BST (UK)
Link to purchase certs online [AUD$26.80] - click on death certificate
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/certificate-applications?action=getProducts&categoryCode=Standard

You do not need identification papers to purchase historical death certificates ie deaths which occurred more than ten years go.

http://scvprobate.com.au/probate/Search/ApplicationIndex.aspx
Probate (Will)   
ALLEN Norman Abraham Harold  Died 21 Nov 2002 
Application 11 Apr 2006   Granted  24 Apr 2006   

Cando
Title: Re: Marriage of norman abraham allen to betty jean hangan
Post by: cando on Wednesday 08 May 13 06:05 BST (UK)
Oops :-[ :-[ typo...$28.60 to purchase standard certificate online and have it mailed.

Cando
Title: Re: Marriage of norman abraham allen to betty jean hangan
Post by: Ausjules on Friday 11 July 14 08:41 BST (UK)
Just wanted to say thank you all so much ;D I finally have Norm's death cert! He was born in loughgall, armagh to Thomas Allen, fruit farmer, loughgall and Elizabeth Unknown  :-\  There are literally a bajillion Thomas Allen's Lol Can't seem to find a marriage of one to Elizabeth though. Its more than I had though  ;) Cheers, Julie.