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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Kilkenny => Topic started by: twinkletoes_917 on Friday 24 August 12 08:19 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I am searching for the roots of Ann Farrell, an ancestor of mine. Ann was born about 1822 in Kilkenny Ireland. She was tried in Carlow 1836 for stealing linen and transported to Australia on the ship Margaret in 1837. She married William Lewis (a free settler) in 1838 and they had several children. She received her ticket of freedom in 1847. Ann died in Commissioners Waters, NSW in 1878. I do not know her parents names and would love to be able to trace her tree back in Ireland.
I have found a few births for Ann Farrells in Kilkenny 1821/1822:
parents James Farrel and Judith Kelly, Graigmanagh parish, Kilkenny
parents Andrew Farrell and Mary Moylan, Gowran parish, Kilkenny
parents Laurence (Larry) Farrell and Judith Lalor, parish Leighlin Bridge, Kilkenny.
If anyone can help either confirm or refute this information that would be wonderful.
Mel
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do you have marriage or death records for your Anne ?
Usually the best way to establish, or rule out, a possible connection in a case like this will be based on clues learned from Australian records.
You usually require either a detailed location i.e. town or parish, and /or parents names to make a good connection. Unfortunately 'Kilkenny' can refer to either the county or the city...
Shane
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see : Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
My Ancestor came from Ireland - where do I start? (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,498742.0.html)
p.s. not all parishes have records back as far as the 1820s, so there's no guarantee that a baptism record for your Ann is available - that's one of the reasons you need to know the location and/or some family details to be able to check any possible links..
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Hi Shane,
Thanks for your help. I do have the marriage and death records but they have little additional information except to confirm her age. Her death certificate merely states "Ireland" and birthplace, parents unknown. The marriage certificate has no information other than date and place of the marriage. Most of the information I have comes from the convict records. The birthplace as Kilkenny comes from the transportation register, the convicts application to marry and the ticket of freedom. Her age is wrong on the application (i think it says 22), probably as she was underage. Her death certificate confirms she was married aged 15 and the ticket of freedom states that she was born in Kilkenny 1822. I dont know where to look next. I might order the rest of the childrens birth certificates, though those issued pre-1856 here tend to have little information. I was hoping someone else had her in their tree and could confirm her parentage from that end.
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one point to be careful about - the town of Leighlin Bridge is actually in Co. Carlow, but it's possible that the parish may have also included parts of Co. Kilkenny.
S.
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thanks shane I'll keep that in mind. I think I'll have to try to find more from this end if possible...otherwise it's like looking for a needle in a haystack
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Further info not included earlier: NSW convicts indents lists Ann as having two sisters in the colony 'Betty Armstrong and Kitty McDonnell, transported 5 or 6 years ago"
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you can have a look at site:
http://members.pcug.org.au/~ppmay/convicts.htm
this site mentions sister as mentioned by twinkletoes_917
Farrell is spelt Farrel and Ann is spelt Anne
ticket of leave no: 46/527
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thank you
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I know a little about Ann Farrell as I'm also related
(My dad was a Lewis that was born in Armidale)
I've seen some information about her and apparently she was known to have a "sly grog shop" (I think) in Commissioners Waters that I think was on the Grafton Road just out of Armidale.
I also think, that, (in my opinion), there are a few question marks over William Lewis being a free settler as some of the records don't seem to add up.
By what I can remember, he wasn't listed on any (free) passenger records for the Minerva in the year that he was supposed to have arrived (in fact I don't even think the Minerva came to Australia in that year) but there was a William Lewis arrive as a convict on the Minerva in another year.
At the moment, my sister or niece has all of our family tree info but I do recall a photo of a family standing outside a house (I think in Mann St Armidale) and the name on the house was Minerva.
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Hi,
I am sure I did this for some one a few years ago.
I found an Ann and Elizabeth born to Laurence Farrell and Judith Lalor / Lawless.
It may be that Catherine was older than these 2 and her record of birth or Baptism is not logged.
Maggsie
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Hi Panlewis & Maggsie,
Thanks for your information. I have come to the same conclusion about William Lewis Panlewis. I had found a few convicts of the same name, but your information about the house being called Minerva throws a new light on the matter. Would you possibly know who the family in the photo were?
Maggsie, I did look up your information about the Farrell girls some time ago. Thank you. It seems I may never be able to come up with any conclusive evidence, but they definitely could be mine. I have not been able to find any records for Betty Armstrong and Kitty McDonnell here in Australia, despite the shipping records stating that these two sisters of hers arrived as prisoners 5 or 6 years before. There are a few of similar names that I have found, but once again nothong too convincing.
Thanks again for all your help.
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do you know what Betty and Kitty are short for?
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That's been a problem Rathmore. I would assume it is Elizabeth and Catherine, but what about Eliza, Katherine, Kathryn, etc...
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Hi there. I have been trying to find out about Ann Farrell too in recent times, as she is also one of my ancestors. I have come across about four sets of parents with no luck. I have even found a link to Canada? I am happy to share this information if you don't already know it. Even though it is isn't conclusive. Has anyone had any luck? I was finding it hard to locate much about her, so I'm glad it isn't just me.