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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Pembrokeshire => Topic started by: adj on Wednesday 22 August 12 16:12 BST (UK)
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Could someone look up the record for William John, marrying in 1857, Ambleston, Pembrokeshire?
I have a feeling he marries Mary Evans. If that's the case, could you also provide me with information on Mary Evan's baptism? I'm guessing she is baptised around 1835 but want to be sure. I would also expect a William John to be born in Ambleston in 1858 to these two.
Kind regards,
Andrew
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Hi
There are 6 marriages for that name in Pembrokeshire in 1857 - 3 of which were in Haverfordwest which is the RD for Ambleston
Can you please include details of the quarter for the one you are interested in as one entry also has a Mary Williams on the same page?
Also - to lookup a marriage in parish records - you need to know the name of the church they married in
Mary Evans is a very common name - where was she born?
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marriage by licence parish church of Ambleston
William John full age bachelor miner of Bettwys parish of Glamorganshire father Jenkin John farmer
Mary Evans full age spinster abode Quarryduon father William Evans farmer
13 Dec 1857 Ambleston Pembrokeshire
both signed witnesses George Maurice and David Phillips
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Unfortunately I know very little here as William John is a very common name. All I have confirmed so far is that William John, born 1824 in Bettws, marries a Mary (born ~1835) from Ambleston, and that they have a son, William John, in 1858, also born in Ambleston. This all comes from census records from their time in Maesteg and other parts of Glamorganshire.
Perhaps if I start with the William John born 1858 in Ambleston, and work backwards from there?
Mary Evans was just a guess based on the little information I'd seen from Ambleston, but it sounds like I could be completely wrong.
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Wonder if this could be the sons baptism
William John son of William and Mary
William was a collier abode Rustling Hill Cottage
4 Apr 1858 Amroth
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Wonder if this could be the sons baptism
William John son of William and Mary
William was a collier abode Rustling Hill Cottage
4 Apr 1858 Amroth
This is a definite possibility - William John snr was a mining inspector by the time he lived in Maesteg, so it would add up. Sadly there are many William John's, and many of those were involved in coal mining.
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marriage by licence parish church of Ambleston
William John full age bachelor miner of Bettwys parish of Glamorganshire father Jenkin John farmer
Mary Evans full age spinster abode Quarryduon father William Evans farmer
13 Dec 1857 Ambleston Pembrokeshire
both signed witnesses George Maurice and David Phillips
I just noticed this, This ties in with the information I had n William John already, e.g. a miner from Bettwys, and also connects with the Jenkin John information provided by an earlier lookup in Glamorganshire. Glad to see I'm on the right track.
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Mary Evans baptized 19 Nov 1837 at Ambelston the dau of Thomas and Elizabeth Evans.
There is a query over parents as the 1871 shows mother as Rebecca Evans, with both residing at Spittal.
I note a Thomas Evan of Castlebigh(Castlebythe) mrd Rebeka Griffith at Ambleston 14 Jul 1814.
There is no mrge of a Thomas Evans at Ambleston to fit your requirements, however there is a mrge of a Thomas Evans Farmer who mrd Elizabeth Mathias a widow at Spittal 06 Feb 1835.
A search of my antique none index’d original, in 1841 at Wallis, Ambleston I note a Rebekah Evans aged 48 resides with Mary aged 7 and Eliza aged 7. Which given the notorious inaccuracy of ages in 1841, still makes this Mary somewhat to old to be yours.
I also note at Sullock Cross Ambleston a Thomas Evans aged 39 living with Rebeckah and Sarah Evans, but alas no Mary.
The following is the most lightly for your requirements in 1841 at Bigins Park Ambleston, Thomas aged 46 and Elizabeth aged 40 with their children John aged 5 Mary aged 4 and Thomas aged 1 yr.
Perhaps others can follow this family in later census
Rgds
Orielbenfro
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It's interesting to note that Mary Evans marriage shows William (presumably Evans) as her father. Perhaps she's not baptised in Ambleston, but nearby? Are there any Mary Evans with a father of William in the baptisms from around 1837?
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Woops ~ very sorry, that will teach me (again) to read in full before I write. Still it at least discounts one line of research.
There is only one Mary Evan(s) baptized at Ambleston from 1831 to 1857, that of the details supplied.
There is no William Evan(s) mrd at Ambleston between 1790, when William Evans mrd Mary Llewellyn, upto the baptism of Mary in 1837.
My antique non-index’d personal copy of the ‘61 of Ambleston shows ;
William Evans Farmer aged 60 born Trefgarne, his wife Margaret aged 53 born Hayscastle with Sarah 22 and Elizabeth 14.
Try as I might I can not find a mrge of William Evan(s) to a Margaret that makes a good fit.
Does this redeem me a little, in my ’61
Quarry Duon Ambleston
William Evan aged 59 Farmer his wife Eliza aged 56 Anne aged 20 John aged 16 and Sarah aged 12, all say born Ambleston.
William Evan a Servant mrd Eliza Williams at Hayscastle 17 Jul 1836.
Rgds
Orielbenfro
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The last bit there I think matches the William John and Mary Evans I'm looking for, based on the father's name and residence, Quarry Duon. I wonder if they owned that place, or more likely were servants/farm hands working for someone who owned that land?
By 1861 she would have already moved out and married William John, but at least I have some names to work with now, which I can hopefully use to place her in the 1851 census and get her rough age.
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There does not appear to be a location called Quarry Duon in Ambleston in my antique ’41, nor does there appear to be a William & Eliza Evans residing in the village.
So I turned to my very very poor copy of the ’41 of Hayscastle
Brynyrhavod Hayscastle
William Evan aged 25 an Ag Lab wife Eliza aged 26 Mary aged 4 and Hannah aged 2 of born in county.
There is a Mary Evan baptized at Hayscastle in 1836, parents currently unknown.
Rgds
Orielbenfro
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This sounds about right then. I do wonder who owned Quarry Duon and where the name comes from (Cware Duon = Black Quarry?). I wonder if William Evan owned the place, or was living on someone's land and working as a farmer there. I notice that these days Cware Duon is owned by a former MP.
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I think the hayscastle one is a red herring. It looks like they're from Spittal originally based on the 1851 census which shows William and Eliza already living at quarry duon. Mary has already left the family home by 1851, so I will still have to locate the 1841 census to find her living at home, but at least I know where to look for them now.
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I’m not quite sure I follow you as to why exactly Wm & Eliza are not the parents required? I could not find the Quarry listed in my old 1841 nor any Wm & Eliza at Ambleston in 1841, so could Wm & Eliza not have moved from Hayscastle to Ambleston between 1841 and 1851? It appears substantial that Mary baptized at Hayscastle to Wm & Eliza is part of the family that later live at the Quarry in Ambleston.
Mary may well not be with the family in 1851, she is aged at least 15 yrs and therefore quite lightly away in domestic service of some kind.
Oh well, I appear to have mislead you sufficiently, so will leave it to you. If you require any checks of original P.R.’s done at the R.O. (make it soon before it closes down) just let me know, I will stick it on my own ‘to do’ list.
Rgds
Orielbenfro
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They are indeed a close match, and I was inclined to believe it until I saw the 1851 census which listed William and Eliza Evans at Quarryduon, and lists the births of the children at Spittal:
1851:
William Evans 48
Eliza Evans 45
Morris Evans 12, Spittal
Anne Evans 10, Spittal
James Evans 8, Spittal
John Evans 6, Ambleston
Sarah Evans 2, Ambleston
Mary is already living away from home by then.
From this I began looking for them in Spittal 1841 and got:
William Evans 38
Eliza Evans 35
Arnold Evans 10
Mary Evans 8
Martha Evans 6
Morris Evans 4
Anne Evans 3/4 of a year old
But thank you for your help, as you did indeed point me in the right direction!