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Gregg Wallace - spoiler alert
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/entertainment/film-tv/news/masterchef-host-gregg-wallacersquos-tears-over-northern-ireland-black-sheep-of-his-family-16198433.html
ev
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Gregg Wallace - spoiler alert
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/entertainment/film-tv/news/masterchef-host-gregg-wallacersquos-tears-over-northern-ireland-black-sheep-of-his-family-16198433.html
ev
I didn't even click on the link and now I know what's going to happen .... :(
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I'm sort of glad I clicked the link despite the spoiler alert. His story takes him very close to where all my paternal ancestors lived (Glens of Antrim).
Looking forward to this one even more than usual...
Gerry
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My OH tells me off for reading the back of a book before I read it. So no spolier links allowed -- ;)
xin
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*cough* Gregg not George
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Ooops :-[
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My OH tells me off for reading the back of a book before I read it. So no spolier links allowed -- ;)
xin
I always do that - my husband thinks it's an odd thing to do too.
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My OH tells me off for reading the back of a book before I read it. So no spolier links allowed -- ;)
xin
I always do that - my husband thinks it's an odd thing to do too.
I do it too, but its much harder to do with a Kindle, (which I use when travelling)
My justification is that, if I am getting bored with the book, reading the last chapter gives me the incentive to continue!
I am looking fro ward to tonight's episode even having read the spoiler!
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I will watch & enjoy.
I've always maintained that none of us should feel guilty about the actions and/or beliefs of our ancestors :)
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I will watch & enjoy.
I've always maintained that none of us should feel guilty about the actions and/or beliefs of our ancestors :)
Spot on Nick. :)
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You know what I am a little excited about this one....uhhm
lets hope its good ;)
xin
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I have to confess I had no idea who Greg Wallace was (til I googled him) but having read the spoiler it sounds like it's going to be an interesting story.
I actually prefer stories of this type to the ones where everyone did very well for themselves ... perhaps it's just me but I think it makes them more real or easier to identify with.
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wow ... that was some story ! really good (if thats the right term) episode
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Good demonstration of you shouldn't jump to conclusions till you have all the available facts when researching your family tree.
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Or believe the links ::) :-[
ev
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A great episode, well done, but as ever still more questions need answers, as with us ! How could one family have so many tragic occurrences?
Knew the glove factory in Great Torrington when it was working, sad to see it all wired up.
axe calibre
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I agree about the jumping to conclusions. A real revelation about the portrait. Is it me or has that photo book of asylum leavers been shown a program along time ago? I felt that conclusion of his was all going to go wrong. Tragic circumstances in deed but no doubt there's always more that can be reported by someone else. Not quite sure what to think of the program.
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I found it very interesting but sad. It was lovely to see those real documents though and not copies. I was wondering why they showed the census entries in that order but it was clear as the story unfolded- won't say anymore for those who haevn't watched it yet.
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I also wondered why they missed the birth of 2 children on the 1911 census.
But the childs death was tragic.
I enjoyed this one, had me hooked, maybe it was Gregs happy chappy attitude and NO theatricals. Loved the fact his great grandad was a greengrocer!! Must be something in the blood...
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I found this one really interesting and shocking too, especially the records from the asylum and the probability that her picture was post-asylum and not as he'd first thought it to be, showing her as a rather comfortably-off lady.
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I did think though that perhaps it wasn't an amazing mass of bad things ... probably just compared to our lives now
we couldn't imagine that many things happening and how devastating it would be but then I thought of people in my tree women widowed 3 or 4 times , husbands setting up home elsewhere, lots of dead infants people in the workhouse, suicides etc to think it maybe wasn't looked on like that in those days .. sounds harsh but hope you get what I mean?
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I was watching it on BBC iPlayer and I've lost bandwidth half way through! >:(
Want to know if he finds out where the Stoker ends up... ???
Come on BT, wind the bobbin up....
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BT has put another Bob in the meter...
How do they know that Selina is a "home" glove maker, and not a glove maker in a factory?
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I found this one really interesting and shocking too, especially the records from the asylum and the probability that her picture was post-asylum and not as he'd first thought it to be, showing her as a rather comfortably-off lady.
Yes, it made you see the portrait in a completely different light, didn't it - when you look hard at an expression in a photograph, when you've researched the person, you can see something else. I have a photo of my great grandmother and her family. She looks quite thin and careworn if you look closely. Although she has three little children with her, two others had died in one month, the previous year. I may of course be imagining I can see that, in her face.
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I wondered that about the glove making... I presume it is just the opinion of the expert but it is odd when they then continue as if it is fact.
It was a good programme though. I like last week's with Samantha Womack/Janus too. And sad to hear yet another child burnt alive. What a cooincidence.
Talking of tragic families...I felt a bit like this when I found out about my grandother who had never spoken of her early life...turns out her sister died when she was young, then her father goes off to war for the whole of her childhood. He comes back and dies in 1925. She then has to nurse her mother through cancer whilst working and bringing up little brother. Then her mother dies in 1930. She finally marries and has a baby (great)... baby dies, then her husband dies. And my mother wonders why she never talked about her family. I shed a few tears researching all of that and wishing I had known while she was still alive.
Milly
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Much better than last week, really enjoyed it. Greg seemed to have genuine enthusiam and was genuinely moved by his family history.
My ears pricked up when he was looking into the divorce that never happened, he mentioned the National Archives but I can't for the life of me find anything on there. There again, TNA has always baffled me ???
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A very poignant episode.
Despite all the sadness I think it was one of the best WDYTYA for a long time. It reminds us, if we needed reminding, how hard life could be and how the cycle of misfortune can be repeated generation after generation. A salutary tale
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What an interesting but tragic story. My grandfather's baby brother died in similar circumstances to the child in last night's episode, indeed, granda was only little himself when he witnessed it. The coroner's report made grim reading for me so I can imagine it was quite a shock for Gregg Wallace too. Very interesting to hear about the flammability of the cheap cotton clothing, that was news to me.
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I felt the programme was somewhat contrived and scripted. I think the producers wanted you to believe one thing then another in order to make it more interesting.
Greg went to his mum's to find out what she knew - she produced census records and GRO birth certificates. As a previous posting says, why wasn't the other pregnancy mentioned on this 1911 census which his mum just happened to have!
I think the series has deteriorated from stories which hold a lot of history (eg Babs Winsdsor and her match girl stories) to this which was almost like a soap opera story to me.
It also shows a flawed approach to research - we go backwards, ie start with a death cert and work backwards, rather than pick a random birth cert.
sallysmum
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http://www.devonhistorysociety.org.uk/2011/11/great-torrington-glovemaking-enquiry.html
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http://championfh.net/genealogy/championfh-histories/H0102%20glove%20makers%20v1.0.pdf
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I agree there were a lot of gaps that need filling and the jumping to conclusions nearly had me pulling my hair out. I know they need to make it for a TV audience but I wish they would show some of the research trail in a bit more detail. Someone appearing with the documents. Being given the original newspapers to look at rather than sitting scrolling through a reel page by page. Where to go and locate information at TNA or carring out a search on their site first. This would help beginners understand the long drawn out process more.
I feel sorry for the local library staff who have been cut back to a bare minimum, they must dread Thursday mornings when all the novice hunters turn up expecting a one on one service like they see on TV. ;D ;D
Regards panda
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How many Rc'ers were itching to get their hands on the photo of Selina and tidy it up? It would have been nice to see it restored.
Rishile
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I am sure that on the 1911 census that it showed 2 children born, 1 alive 1 dead.
I also wondered at the huge photo of Selina - surely in those days it would have been just much smaller, or were you given an extra large to remind you not to return? Poor woman, bad enough struggling to survive but do feel that such a strict religion played a big part in her mental state.
Imagine how much information the researchers find out and then have to cram into a programme to make it interesting to all, not just us! Particularly liked Greg returning to the spot and reliving the accident, haven't we all longed to visit a place and tread in our forefathers footsteps.....
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How many Rc'ers were itching to get their hands on the photo of Selina and tidy it up? It would have been nice to see it restored.
Rishile
I was thinking that too. ;D
Another episode that didn't go very far back but I think Greg had found enough tragedy. It really showed how tough life was for many of our ancestors
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I was surprised they didn't say how Selina died. Maybe that was one piece of sadness too far.
Rishile
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My ears pricked up when he was looking into the divorce that never happened, he mentioned the National Archives but I can't for the life of me find anything on there. There again, TNA has always baffled me ???
Snap! - I was looking on the NA website yesterday, why oh why did they do away with the old A2A at least you could search by individual record office ???
Back to the point...We enjoyed every minute of last nights programme. So they jumped to conclusions, who doesn't when told 'facts' by one's elderly rellies, they got there in the end.
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I felt the programme was somewhat contrived and scripted. I think the producers wanted you to believe one thing then another in order to make it more interesting.
Greg went to his mum's to find out what she knew - she produced census records and GRO birth certificates. As a previous posting says, why wasn't the other pregnancy mentioned on this 1911 census which his mum just happened to have!
I think the series has deteriorated from stories which hold a lot of history (eg Babs Winsdsor and her match girl stories) to this which was almost like a soap opera story to me.
It also shows a flawed approach to research - we go backwards, ie start with a death cert and work backwards, rather than pick a random birth cert.
sallysmum
I agree but the story was still a good one.Like a soap opera maybe but it happened to be true :(
I liked Greg, so different to SW last week who really irtitated me
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Somebody get hold of Gregg and tell him we will restore and colour it if he wants.... ;)
xin
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Xin - give it a try ;D
http://greggwallace.com/contact/
Rishile
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This (very moving) programme demonstrated the power of family stories, and why you should always take them 'with a pinch of salt' :)
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My grandfather was presented with a bible and photograph when he left the cottage homes in 1905 but that was a much happier situation they found him a live in position which proved to be a good start for him.
I have several gloveress ancesters in the Torrington area but I thought the pack men bought the work to them and returned the completed gloves so they didnot have the grulling walks to and from Torrington mentioned in the programme I was surprised they didn't mention the gloving schools too. They implied the women worked on the gloves early morning and late night by poor light and used the day time for household duties but I have read somewhere that the children went to gloving schools as early as 4 yrs old giving mum the opportunity to sew all day the house and family may have suffered but the family income could be doubled by a homeworking mum. Women could earn as much or even more than her Ag lab husband.
I can remember a fuss about the materials used in children's night clothes even when I was small and campaignes for prople to use fire guards and not hang the mirror above the fireplace which was the common practice.
I thought it a powerful and enjoyable programme even though I had the tissues to hand
Trees
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So many sad and difficult episodes
At least Henry R S lived through all the bad things
Shame though that he was cut off from his first family
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It also shows a flawed approach to research - we go backwards, ie start with a death cert and work backwards, rather than pick a random birth cert.
sallysmum
I don't agree. I did all my early research using just marriage and birth certificates. As each step involved a trip to London and a few weeks delay, death certificates were only used when I hit a brick wall and were rarely of any use.
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It also shows a flawed approach to research - we go backwards, ie start with a death cert and work backwards, rather than pick a random birth cert.
sallysmum
I don't agree. I did all my early research using just marriage and birth certificates. As each step involved a trip to London and a few weeks delay, death certificates were only used when I hit a brick wall and were rarely of any use.
Same here - in most cases I knew of peoples existence, who they married or who their parents were but not necessarily when they died so easier to work from a birth or marriage
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I wonder if he will ask one of our restorers to have a go at the picture !
What an interesting programme .... all hopes .... which were then dashed. Haven't we all been there !
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you'd have a job on scanning that picture! ;D
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No problem for an A3 scanner or alternatively a digital photo of it
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I thoroughly enjoyed this programme and appreciated his (Greggs) sincerity at all the sad things that had happened. I think he felt humbled.
Abiam2
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Can someone please advise what online web site Gregg accessed to obtain that divorce record
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They were found via the National Archives......
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/
Divorce = http://www.rootschat.com/links/0qbv/
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I did think though that perhaps it wasn't an amazing mass of bad things ... probably just compared to our lives now
we couldn't imagine that many things happening and how devastating it would be but then I thought of people in my tree women widowed 3 or 4 times , husbands setting up home elsewhere, lots of dead infants people in the workhouse, suicides etc to think it maybe wasn't looked on like that in those days .. sounds harsh but hope you get what I mean?
Yes, I do get what you mean, baggygenes, I was thinking exactly the same.
There is no doubt that poor man suffered an awful lot of tragedy, but I think most of us avid FH researchers have realised just how hard our ancestors' lives were, even if we can't ever truly understand it.
Personally, I felt this was a really good episode. I found myself wrapped up in the story of Gregg's ancestors, and able to ignore the usual niggles about how the records miraculously appear!
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you'd have a job on scanning that picture! ;D
Just need a Flip-Pal.
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I did drop him a note showing our interest..... ;)
we will see
xin
;D ;D
Get your brushes out Irene... ..'etal' .... and little old me.... :) ;)
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Having a chat with the photo in the car .. all nicely seatbelted in ... made me smile :)
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Gregg became very likable during this programme.
I would have liked to have taken his family tree back a few more generations ... WDYTYA Extra? Just a thought.
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I enjoyed this one.
I agree with Abiam and cms.
Kooky
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I don't think this has already been posted :)
Extra footage at
http://www.whodoyouthinkyouaremagazine.com/footage/13764
Linda
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Baggygenes..I liked the end bit on your post re "the palm of your hand"..reminds me of the time a year or so before my Dad passed away, he was sitting in his bare feet, and I put my right bare foot next to his left bare foot and it made a perfect matching pair! "Hey, youve got my feet" he said.....not good when I'm a :o ;) female! lol
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Baggygenes..I liked the end bit on your post re "the palm of your hand"..reminds me of the time a year or so before my Dad passed away, he was sitting in his bare feet, and I put my right bare foot next to his left bare foot and it made a perfect matching pair! "Hey, youve got my feet" he said.....not good when I'm a :o ;) female! lol
awww perhaps he had very feminine feet :)
* actually I got that quote when I had my tarot read - the woman had a "lucky dip" of affirmations and quotes and that was the one I pulled out of the bowl
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I don't think this has already been posted :)
Extra footage at
http://www.whodoyouthinkyouaremagazine.com/footage/13764
Linda
Thanks for posting the link.
I can't get the sound to work - is it just me?
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It was very very quiet for me - had to really strain to hear even at full volume
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It was OK for me. Have you checked the volume on the clip and on your PC?
Linda
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It was OK for me. Have you checked the volume on the clip and on your PC?
Linda
I couldn't see a clip volume control on it :(
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I'm quite enjoying this series. The stories seem pretty well put together, even if it is obvious that the celebrity is being directed as to the line of research.
We are also being shown a fair number of records from the nineteenth century. I remember one series where virtually none of the subjects researched anyone earlier than their grandfather.
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Can anyone remember the date of Selina's photograph my imagination is in overdrive over a family portrait
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She was discharged from her first stay in the asylum in 1879. This is the probable date of the photo.
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Oh my goodness my photo is thought to be 1873ish
Many thanks
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I actually laughed out loud at the "dont touch the veg madam" quote of Gregg's and was thoroughly engrossed by his family story. The amount of tragedy in the lives of his ancestors actually quite humbled me. I have been struggling with depression on and off for years but had to count my blessings when hearing the poor grandfathers story. There has been a fair amount of family deaths in my short life, one an accidental death from fire which made the program very sad for me (I'm a similar age to Gregg) and it can knock you for six. What I find most interesting about researching family history is the patterns that seem to continue from generation to generation. I come from a long line of single mothers, all having children at 25, some have tried to buck the trend by marrying but always ends up the same. My father lost his father very young and i lost mine reasonably young, my daughter doesn't know her father much. As I go back I see difficult relationships between mother and daughters, and abandoment, usually with children living with older relatives. My daughters line is almost untraceable as her father was adopted and my mother was a "war baby" so that line should be pretty hard to verify relying on family legend so to speak. I wonder if these repeating patterns are natures way of passing on the fortitude that comes from bearing these anomilies and familial coping strategies in such circumstances.