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Wondering if anyone can help. Have information given to me by a cousin for a marriage on 19th December 1855 at St Gregory's Roman Catholic Church Queanbeyan between Elizabeth Dowling and James Morrison. Can't find any record in NSW BDM and would dearly love to get a copy of this record. Does anyone know where I can enquire to get this or find out more ?
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Closest I can see is.
JAMES MERRIMAN MARRIED ELIZABETH DOWLING AT YASS Ref # 3439/1864
Neil
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Hi Bikegirl,
It is possible that the marriage date and place came from one of their children's birth certificates. You would need to ask your contacts where this information came from.
They may not have married, but records of many events did not make it to the registry. This resource at the SAG might be of use to you:
Historical indexes of the Canberra/Queanbeyan district Vol 4 : parish registers & burial records / edited by Patricia M. Frei.
29: St Gregory's (catholic), Queanbeyan: baptisms 1843-1920; marriages 1843-1857, 1856-1898, 1881; burials 1844-1877, 1937-1967 (selective)
http://catalogue.sag.org.au/fullRecord.jsp?recnoListAttr=recnoList&recno=8731
Why were their children registered as MORRIS?
Debra :)
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On NSW BDM there is a marriage ...
MORRIS James to DORAN Eliza in 1855 reg # V1855443 43B/1855
This was in the district of MJ ???
regards,
Ros
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The above marriage is on Family Search and took place in Queanbeyan on 10 Dec 1855
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTZZ-56N
regards,
Ros
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Another resource shows this:
James MORRIS m. Eliza DORAN 10 Dec 1855
Parish: Canberra; Lake George; Queanbeyan, Church of England
Ref Number: V1855443 43B
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A son is buried at Saint Thomas Church Cemetery, Carwoola, NSW.
MORRIS Edward James, d. 7 Jan 1859, age: 1y 3m, parents - James Morris & Eliza Doran. Unmarked grave.
Carwoola is on the Queanbeyan to Captain’s Flat Road, 24 klms from Queanbeyan.
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Perhaps Bikegirl can tell us the names of her James and Eliza's children, there may be two different families here.
Debra :)
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There were thirteen children born to the Morrison couple with nine of them surviving. The first eight children were born in the districts around Goulburn, Queanbeyan and Braidwood. None of the children were registered but the birthdates are taken from the records of the Catholic churches in the Braidwood area (kindly supplied by the local
Catholic Parish priest). As some of the children were born on the trek to Louth their birthdates are mainly estimated by place of birth.
James Frederick's Death Certificate gives his birth place as Wollondilly N.S.W. in 1828; family oral history makes him the son of a Scottish engineer.
It has been impossible to find confirmation of James' background.
Information given on the death certificate is incorrect; the children's ages, when checked against their marriage certificates are wrong.
The Birth Certificate for Amenda Jane (1872) gives James` age at 34 (ie. born in 1838) making his death at 83 (not 93 as stated
Children : Helena, Edward James, Mary, Twins - Emily and James, Louisa, Elizabeth, Robert, John, Edward William, Amenda and twins Alice and Thomas
We have very little on James and Elizabeth ( maybe they did change names - very confusing :-\
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Hi
Who was the informant on the death certificate of JAMES?
The information's accuracy depends on the knowledge the informant has regarding the deceased.
Errors and confusion are very common.
Sue
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Interesting in regards to child Edward James Morris who died on 7/1/1859 aged 1 year and three months. The second child born to our James Morrison was a Edward James who was born 19th Oct 1857 and died (according to oral history) 1857 ???? unsure. Our birth date and record of death date who put this child at 1 year and 3 months . mmmmmmm ?????
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Does your James MORRISON's death certificate actually name his children, or just give numbers of males and females?
Debra :)
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There is a submitted tree on family search for James Frederick Morrison and Elizabeth (Eliza) Dowling and their 13 children
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/S5YV-6W5
regards,
Ros
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Ros - thanks so much yep this is part of my tree but alot of those details are not verified ie : no birth, death, marriage certificates
Hi Debra : Death certificate details supplied by his son Edward William Morrison. Lists nine children in name living and age but states 4 males and 3 females deceased (which is more than we know of) We have baptismal records for 13 children
Appreciate your help :)
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Some of the names for births in Queanbeyan for Eliza and James Morris seem to match (but then others don't)
1856 Helena
1857 Edward J
1859 Mary
1860 James
but then there are
1862 Ruth
1863 Sarah J
1866 Christina
Sorry if this is a red herring ;D
regards,
Ros
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I was wondering if you have any of the DC's for the children of James and Elizabeth.
There doesn't seem to be too much on them in the BDM's either ???
(MODIFIED)
I meant to add that the children that seem to be twins may or may not have been. I is very likely that they may have have had a Baptism for two on the same day. IE If the records you have are Baptisms. It was not uncommon then.
Neil
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Hi Ros - been checking and looks like those extra three do belong - would match the death certificate of the James snr.
Also it appears that the first 4 children were all under Morris ( Names, DOB, places, baptism records concur where the next appear to be Morrison but Mum still Eliza. Rest have Morrison and Elizabeth.
Have requested a few copies NSW BDM so hopefully these will prove that James Morrison is James Morris and confirm marriage. :)
Thanks so much for your help everyone.
Neil - you were right - one set of twins were not twins- have found correct DOB under Morris for that child :)
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Are you aware that in NSW you can purchase transcriptions of certificates for $18 which is considerably cheaper than a certified certificate. The transcriptions are emailed.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/howToTraceYouFamTree.htm#TranscriptionAgent
If you know then just ignore my message ;D
Cheers
Cando
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Oh wow - no - did not know this ! Thanks so much, will come in handy :)
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Ros - thanks so much yep this is part of my tree but alot of those details are not verified ie : no birth, death, marriage certificates
Hi Debra : Death certificate details supplied by his son Edward William Morrison. Lists nine children in name living and age but states 4 males and 3 females deceased (which is more than we know of) We have baptismal records for 13 children
Appreciate your help :)
Hi Bikegirl,
I know this thread is over 4 years old but I am doing research into my family tree and it is linked to James F Morrison and Eliza Dowling; they are my 4th great grandparents. Did you manage to further your investigations? If so would you mind sharing your insights?
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Hi there. Believe that James Morrison is the son of William Morris
BIRTH 1797 • Scotland
24 Dec 1827 • Sydney Australia
Register of Convicts' Applications to Marry 1826/1851 Extract
Elizabeth Price (1798–) son James Morris born 4 DEC 1830 • Goulburn NSW. Some of his children were baptized and / or married as " Morris" but died Morrison
Elizabeth was the daughter of William and Mary Credie Dowling, immigrants from Ireland and arrived in Australia about 1844
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Hi Bikegirl.
Thanks for getting back to me. That is very helpful...really appreciate it.