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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: JD Leslie on Sunday 19 August 12 02:55 BST (UK)
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Is it possible to find Dublin records before 1812? I have been told it is impossible. I am searching for records of Thomas Leslie of 5 Capel Street Merchant Quay Dublin. I am a descendant of his - through James Leslie his son, - born in 1812. Can anyone help? Thanks.
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Hello JD and welcome to RootsChat
Almost impossible, but not totally, would be my opinion.
Anything Irish is notoriously difficult, and pre1812 you would be reliant on parish records.
Or maybe a directory though I don't know if there were any, that early, for Dublin.
Earliest I know of is 1850.
Newspapers - if you think he may have done something newsworthy, you could try the Freeman's Journal here: https://sites.google.com/site/onlinenewspapersite/Home/irl
Hopefully someone else will happen along and give more clues.
Dawn M
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Thanks for the reply. A poster said that some early Dublin parish records survived. My ancestor is Thomas James Leslie of 5 Capel Street, Merchant's Quay who died after 1837. It is believed he lived in St Audeon's Parish and there maybe surviving records. His son, James Thomas Leslie is my ancestor who was sent to Australia (Tasmania) as a Remittance Man in 1830 due to political activities. If anyone can shed any more light on these people, I would be grateful. Thanks
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lots of parish records for Dublin City are available on www.irishgenealogy.ie
I had a quick look for your James but the only one listed around that date that I see is one in Tarbert (Co. Kerry)
What was the occupation of Thomas ?
Early directories that cover traders and principle residents in the city include Pigott's 1822 & 4, Pettigrew and Oulton 1834 to 1845, and the Treble Almanac (Watson's/English Registry/Wilsons ) going back to the the early 1700s
see : Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
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I am searching for records of Thomas Leslie of 5 Capel Street Merchant Quay Dublin.
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a quick observation about the locations you mentioned - Capel Street and Merchants Quay, are quite close but two separate locations. Capel Street is north of the Liffey, and Merchants Quay on the south.
Shane
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There are some records on IrishGenealogy for the surname Leslie with Capel St. as the address - all Church of Ireland death/burial records, several for children, in the parish of St. Mary's - see : Leslie, Capel Street (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/search.jsp?namefm=&namel=leslie&exact=&name2fm=&name2l=&location=capel&dd=&mm=&yy=&diocese=DUBLIN+%28COI%29&parish=&type=¢ury=&decade=&sort=date&pageSize=100&ddB=&mmB=&yyB=&ddM=&mmM=&yyM=&ddD=&mmD=&yyD=&locationB=&locationM=&locationD=&member0=&member1=&member2=&member3=&member4=&member5=&member6=&member7=&member8=&member9=&namef0=&namef1=&namef2=&namef3=&namef4=&namef5=&namef6=&namef7=&namef8=&namef9=&namel0=&namel1=&namel2=&namel3=&namel4=&namel5=&namel6=&namel7=&namel8=&namel9=&keyword=&submit=Search)
St. Mary's Church of Ireland parish covered part of the north city centre - including Mary St, Capel St., Upr and Middle Abbey Street, parts of Sackville St. St. Audoen's Church of Ireland parish covers part of the south city - including part of Merchant's quay, Usher's Quay, Cook Street, Bridge St. Upr & Lwr, and part of High St.
Shane
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Thank you Shane for your response. Thomas James Leslie was a merchant - a dyer, I have been told. He was the father of James Leslie (born in 1812) but James's mother was not recorded it appears. What would be the reason for that? Do you know?
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Thank you Shane for your response. Thomas James Leslie was a merchant - a dyer, I have been told. He was the father of James Leslie (born in 1812) but James's mother was not recorded it appears. What would be the reason for that? Do you know?
That James Leslie baptism I mentioned is in Co. Kerry - over 250km from Dublin, so would seem to be very unlikely to be 'your' James.
The mother's name may have been recorded, but the register is very faded and difficult to read for those dates.
S.
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from the earliest directory I've found with street listings ... Pettigrew & Oulton 1834 :
5 Capel Street
William Carroll & Co., Wholesale & Retail Druggists
S.
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there is a Thomas Leslie in the Alphabetical Index of that directory sharing no 15 Capel St :
Thomas Leslie, hosiery and shoe warehouse
Ralph Scott esq., attorney
He's the only Thomas Leslie included in the index.
Shane
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I think I will start a new post dedicated to James Thomas Leslie. Several posters are descended from him and I'm particularly interested in making contact with MasonLaRoche. I have been in contact with the author of the book about the Leslies in Launceston (Tasmania) and its environs who said that tracing back beyond 1812 is impossible, She believes James Leslie was born at 5 Capel Street from the wholesaler and druggist reference you provided. Thanks a lot for your help. This has been a good introduction tho the site!
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better to stick to one post for the moment unless an additional location turns up.
I'll add a reference to James Thomas Leslie c1812 in your Subject line
Dublin Moderator
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I discovered recently that I am a descendant of James Thomas Leslie born in Capel Street Dublin in 1812. I am living in Melbourne Australia and was born in Tasmania. I am interested in making contact with other descendants of James Leslie so if any of you read this post, please reply.
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She believes James Leslie was born at 5 Capel Street from the wholesaler and druggist reference you provided.
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Beside possible entries in directories, are there any other clues on where in Dublin your James was born, or what his mother's name was ?
e.g. from his marriage or death certs...
Shane
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Treble Almanac from 1813 shows two Leslie entries : Johnathan Leslie a merchant on Fleet St., and P.A. Leslie a druggist on Bride St.
Both south Dublin city.
Shane
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Thanks for your help. James Leslie married Margaret Gertrude McCarthy from Dominick Street Cork. She was born on 10 July 1817 and travelled to Tasmania where she married James Leslie in Hobart Town in 1835. James Leslie left Liverpool on the 'Juno' in 1830. It seems he was a Remittance Man and sent away due to his political activities.
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my husband is a descendant of Thomas Leslie, hosier of capel street Dublin. Thomas emigrated to the US with wife and daughter.
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Hi Wilma,
Thank you reply about Thomas Leslie. I would love to know more. I have sent you a personal message and look forward to your reply,
Jennifer Leslie