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My GG Grandfather was Thomas Ryan Kavanagh born circa 1861.
The only additional info I have on him is the name and occupation of his father (from Thomas's wedding certificate in 1888), which is Peter Kavanagh, Coachman.
Any help gratefully received.
This was a message sent out several years ago by my cousin, Mark Thomas. I am continuing this search. We have information that Thomas Ryan Kavanagh was born in the Wicklow area, and his father was Peter.
Thomas came to England and was married to Susan Moore in 1888 while serving with the Scots Guards, in Windsor, Berkshire.
Once more, any help would be gratefully received.
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I see a post back in 2004 mentioning the same name, but it didn't progress very far as there were too few clues. For records before the start of civil registration of births (1864) requires checking church records, and you need a few more clues to do this - including the denomination of your Kavanagh family and a more detailed a location - i.e. the town, townland or parish.
Kavanagh is quite a common surname, particularly in the east and south east and unfortunately if the family were RC then the occupation for Peter will probably not help, as this detail is not usually included in Catholic records.
see : Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
My Ancestor came from Ireland - where do I start? (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,498742.0.html)
What exactly is listed as the place of birth state on the military record ?
Shane
link to old thread for reference : Thomas Ryan KAVANAGH - Co. Wicklow (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,16073.msg57627.html#msg57627)
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I have found a copy of a birth certificate dated 3rd Nov 1888 for Marcella Kavanagh, daughter of James and Mary Kavanagh, of Upper Main Street, and this must be a relative of Thomas Kavanagh, my Great Grandfather.
Mary Kavanagh is shown as being born Mary Dournean.
It is from the register of the Arklow district, Rathdrum, Co. Wicklow.
Is this of any help.
This copy was issued in 1948 and the various details are in Gaelic. with English sub-titles.
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I have found a copy of a birth certificate dated 3rd Nov 1888 for Marcella Kavanagh, daughter of James and Mary Kavanagh, of Upper Main Street, and this must be a relative of Thomas Kavanagh, my Great Grandfather.
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Upper Main Street in which town ?
Rathdrum district covers a number of towns..
S.
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Upper Main Street, Arklow
Jim
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Hello,
there are Kavanaghs on Upper Main Street, Arklow in 1901 census (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=1901&surname=kavanagh&exact=&firstname=mary&county=Wicklow&townland=main&ded=&age=&sex=&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=&birthplace=&language=&deafdumb=&search=Search&sort=&pageSize=50) including a Mary but no Marcella.
You have no idea who Marcella was? Did she emigrate to England?
heywood
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...birth certificate dated 3rd Nov 1888 for Marcella Kavanagh, daughter of James and Mary Kavanagh, of Upper Main Street, and this must be a relative of Thomas Kavanagh, my Great Grandfather.
Mary Kavanagh is shown as being born Mary Dournean.
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The only Mary Dourneen marriage I see close to that time is in South Dublin in 1870 - but it doesn't cross match to anyone with the surname Kavanagh...
Do you have the occupation for James from the birth cert - might help locate him...
S.
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Here's that 1870 Mary Dourneen marriage I mentioned - not directly connected to your Kavanghs but a few items that might be clues...
Marriage John Byrne & Mary Dourneen (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/194b7c0442001)
Even though the marriage took place in Dublin, both the bride and groom give Arklow as their addresses. Also one of the witnesses is a Marcella Cullen - not a common Christian name..
Shane
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James' occupation is listed as fisherman.
From other links on the family tree, James is probably a brother to Thomas Ryan Kavanagh as James recurs several times later as a Kavanagh christian name.
Also, Marcella is a christian name of Joseph Ryan Kavanagh's daughter born in Birkenhead, England in 1938. Joseph Ryan was the older brother to James Ryan Kavanagh, my grandfather who both were sons of the elusive Thomas Ryan Kavanagh, born in 1860 (poss. 1859) in Wicklow.
My family tree is available for public viewing on ancestry.co.uk.
Many thanks,
Jim
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May be just a coincidence- James (Fisherman) and Mary Dourneen with a daughter Marcella 12 yrs living in Arklow in 1901 (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wicklow/Arklow_Urban/Bradshaws_Lane/1813206/)
Family Search has the birth of Marcella Dournian registered October- December 1888 in Rathdrum which would fit with the Marcella birth you quote - other family births are Dournean spelling.
Baptism of Patrick Dournean shows parents as James Dournean and Mary Kavanagh.
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Apologies to you both, Heywood and Shane!!
I have been reading this certificate wrongly. You seem to have worked that out!!
You are right - it is James Dournean who is the father of Marcella Dournean with the mother being Mary, formerly Kavanagh. James Dournean being the father and the fisherman.
The names do have their links as my mother was Dorothy Mary Kavanagh b. 1927, in Birkenhead, her father James Ryan Kavanagh, b. 1902 in Birkenhead, and Marcella as shown above.
Is there any trace of Mary Kavanagh in the censuses of 1891, 1881 in Arklow/Wicklow?
Jim
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A possible Mary Kavanagh marriage (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FY3C-5JX) . James Durneen has same page reference.
1901 is the earliest available census. You could send for that marriage certificate to check Mary's father's name - and maybe there would be a clue with address.
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Two families I am looking for Kavanagh, 12 Admiral Street about 1924. Dournean Married a Forrester and lived around Athol Street all Liverpool
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It is the Dournean /Kavanagh/Arklow connection I am trying to understand
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Hello Arklow, welcome to Rootschat :)
Are you posting about the same family? It isn't quite clear.
If you are searching, it is best to post what you already have and what you are searching.
You mention 1924, so the kind of information you may be seeking is quite late. The last census information is 1911, so you would be looking for births/marriages and deaths http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ or electoral rolls etc.
If you could give the information you are looking for, we may be able to help.
best wishes
heywood
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Arklow,
I forgot to mention that you should not publish the names of any persons who may be living.
heywood
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I have only mentioned names of those already mentioned on the site. I would never mention a name of a person who is still alive.
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I have only mentioned names of those already mentioned on the site. I would never mention a name of a person who is still alive.
Apologies - I may not have been clear there.
I meant that if you are going to post your interests, it is policy not to mention living persons. As the date you quote is 1924- I thought it possible that there would be births etc after that date which may be mentioned. If not then it doesn't matter.
heywood
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Hello All,
This is a very interesting thread and I am pleased to have found it!
The Marcella Dournean/Dourneen mentioned in the 1901 census is my great grandmother. I am currently researching her parents family and have discovered that her mother, Mary Kavanagh lived in Tinnock at a time (although it is not certain this is where she was born). I am looking for anyone who could be related to this family to share information.
Thanks