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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Kildare => Topic started by: shansf on Wednesday 15 August 12 22:31 BST (UK)
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I'm looking for some help on finding the ancestors of my great great grandfather John Farrell. John was born around 1859/1860 in Celbridge, Co Kildare. He married Margaret McEvoy in Dublin in 1887. On his marriage cert his parents are listed as James Farrell and Mary Gallagher. I believe he was an only son as my aunt has his obituary from 1913 where it says he was an only son but it does not mention if he has sisters. Also, I know he served in the 57th and 77th Middlesex Regiment at some point. Any info on his birth or parents would be appreciated. I have not been able to find anything. Many thanks.
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John was born just before the start of civil registrations of birth so you will need to check for a baptism for him in parish records. Were you Farrell family RC ?
see : Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
Shane
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here's a link to the marriage for reference - in St. Mary's Marlborough St. so the family were RC :
Marriage of John Farrell & Margaret McEvoy - 21 Feb 1887 (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/bfd9560057521)
John's parents were deceased at the time of the marriage.
Do you have a civil cert ?
It should show occupations which might help your search,..
Shane
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There are two John Farrell baptisms listed in Celbridge parish around 1859 on the free index on RootsIreland pay-website - but neither is showing a match for father's name James, or mother's surname Gallagher.
What was the source of the place of birth for John ?
Note the baptism transcripts for Celbridge parish on RootsIreland only go back to 1857, even though actual records go back further.
Shane
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Shane, Thank you so much for your reply. The Dublin 1901 census has him listed as born in Celbridge. Also, his obituary says he was from Celbridge. I do not have his civil marriage cert, I only have the church source you linked above. I will try to get the civil cert when I am back in Ireland later in the year.
Many thanks.
Sharon
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I see John on the 1901 Census, a very definte Celbridge, Co. Kildare as his place of birth - link for reference :
Farrell household - Hill St. (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Rotunda/Hill_Street/1331087/)
It's possible his age is slightly inaccurate and was before the start if the Celbridge parish records. Do you have him on the 1911 census (see next reply), or his age on his death cert ?
Fathers occupation is likely a laborer or farmer, but might help if it's someone with a trade or business like a blacksmith or grocer..
Shane
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John Farell and family in 1911 for reference :
Farrell household, Temple St. (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Rotunda/Temple_St_/53708/)
John age 53 (c1858) vs 42 on the 1901 return, Wife Margarent age 49 vs 40 - so both ages reasonably consistent.
Shane
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Hi Shane
Yes that is them on the census. He died on 16th July 1913 aged 54, according to his newspaper obit. He was still living at 29 Temple Street when he died. On the census his occupation is listed as van driver, but my understanding is that they had a cab business of some type and may have been some way involved in the undertaking business, but I'm not sure about the last bit. We do not know anything about his father's occupation unfortunately. I know John was in the military for a time - 57th and 77th Middlesex Regiment and suspect he may have settled in Dublin after he exited the army. Thats about all I know.
Your help is much appreciate.
Sharon
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I've managed to get a copy of the obituary for John Farrell, and it says his father is James Farrell of Temple Mills, Celbridge, Co Kildare. Does Temple Mills means anything to you?
Many thanks.
Sharon
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Temple Mills was run by the Tyrrell family in Celbridge for about 300 years. It was located just south of the town. It's now the name of a housing estate.
Could mean that James worked in the Mill, or maybe just that the family lived nearby.
see : Temple Mills (http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,696683,732116,6,7) (c1837 OSI Map)
Temple Mills was located in the townland of Newtown, and the 1901 census shows a Farrell family living there - maybe relations of your John ?
Farrell household (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kildare/Donaghcumper/Newtown/1436707/)
Mother Mary Ann born Co. Kildare, but the two children born Dublin City.
Shane
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Thanks again Shane for your help. Perhaps Mary Ann was the wife of a cousin. I know he didn't have any brothers so not a sister-in-law. On my next trip home I think I'll just have to head down there and try and get a copy of his baptismal cert which might give me more information.
Thanks.
Sharon
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for reference, the film covering historic records for Celbridge RC parish in the National Library is Pos. 6613, and it appears to cover a similar date range to the transcripts on RootsIreland - i.e. baptisms from 1857.
p.s. Temple Mills was also used as the name for the area surrounding the actual mill.
Shane
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Thanks Shane - I appreciate all the help.
Sharon
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The fact the children are listed as born in Dublin is correct. All Kildare and majority of Leinster Provence births were and still are in Dublin where the Maternity Hospitals are based.
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The fact the children are listed as born in Dublin is correct. All Kildare and majority of Leinster Provence births were and still are in Dublin where the Maternity Hospitals are based.
That wouldn't apply to all birhs until the mid 1900s would it? I think it would depend on how close you were to Dublin, personal choice and the time to get there. Women were still having children at home in the 50s, and in my case the 60s.
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Hi there,
I am looking for a family connection to my gg grandparents, John Brady b. 1838 married Catherine Farrell b. 1843. They were married Jan 1 1864 at St Patricks 585 Celbridge. John's father's name is listed as Daniel. They had twelve children: Daniel, Mary, Anne, Julia, James, Agnes, Ester, John, Michael, Christopher and Patrick. The came to RI in June 1882. All kids were baptized at St Patricks in Celbridge except Michael who is listed as Temple Mills Kildare. Would love to see if Catherine was James' sister!
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Unfortunately I have not managed to get any more info on this branch of the family, which is a shame really because it is my family name. It is possible that Catherine and James were siblings, the location is correct. Do you have any more info on Catherine? Parents, siblings etc?
Sharon
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I wish I did know more, but this is the only information I have.