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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: davemc on Wednesday 15 August 12 22:17 BST (UK)
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Can anyone help with deciphering this please. the second word in the top line is Reid, i think the first is Robert.
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Robert Reid
general labourer
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Robert Reid
General labourer (Dec[eased])
Mary McPhail prev[iously]
Reid M.S. Nais..y
The surnames are difficult...
Alexander
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Last line after Reid looks like M S (Maiden surname?) then the last looks like maid with two letters, perhaps to denote whch kind of maid ,kitchen, parlour, lady`s, etc.
The puzzle is ,
The puzzle is her maiden name is Reid and married name McPhail, what is the relationship between these two as his name is Reid ?
Viktoria.
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Last line after Reid looks like M S Maid then the last might b short for house, to differentiate between say a ladies` maid, nurse maid, kitchen maid etc. Just a guess. Viktoria.
M.S. stands for Maiden Surname. Apparently Mary was first married to Robert Reid, then after his death to Mr. McPhail. But her maiden name is unclear.
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Can you give us a bit more info? Whose parents are these, what's the date and where was the record made?
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I'm not convinced that her maiden surname begins with 'N'. It is very different to the 'M', so it might be something like Travers.
Colin
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Can you give us a bit more info? Whose parents are these, what's the date and where was the record made?
They are the parents of Ann Reid, this was her wedding to my great x2 grandfather in 1883 in Dundee.
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davemc, Sorry, should have checked my SP account before I got involved :-(
thought I had a few credits going spare but apparently not....
however, how about Harvey for the maiden surname?
the letters a r v e and y all appear in the rest of the text and look the same?
just a thought.
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I've straightened up the writing to make it easier to read.
Mary McPhail prev. Reid, MS Na_____
I thought the next letter might be i, but there's no dot, so maybe r?
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I've straightened up the writing to make it easier to read.
Mary McPhail prev. Reid, MS Na_____
I thought the next letter might be i, but there's no dot, so maybe r?
Is it Nais..d?
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Naisey? The y is a bit strange, but so is the end of Mary!
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This is yet another occasion on which I wonder why SP did not scan at higher resolution. As you have paid for the scan I would contact them and ask for a more legible copy. I've played a bit in paintshop which helps to see the pen strokes.
I think Anni B is on the right lines. It certainly looks like a N to start with but then a r v e y. I found NARVEY & NARVIE in Scotland on familysearch.
Josey
PS what's the date of this marriage? Whoops, didn't read the marriage details posted earlier.
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Writing is awful isn't it :-\
davemc, at all times when images from SP are hard to read, you can contact them to request an enhanced image for the sections you are having a problem with - see www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/help/index.aspx?r=1210 SP are very quick to respond to this type of query.
From what I can see, Ann Reid married a George McNicoll in Dundee 1883. From the family's 1901 entry, Ann McNicoll shows as born c. 1865 in Aberdeen. Hard to find anything to corroborate this so far.
Dave, have you double checked Ann's death cert (1916 Edinburgh?) to see what it says about her parents? When someone is this hard to find on births for this period post the start of official registration in Scotland, it can sometimes mean that the names you are seeing may not be what they were (if someone, for example, is trying to hide their illegitimacy).
Monica
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I think after General labourer it says dec for deceased not day in which case Mary could have remarried hence the McPhail.
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I am amazed by all the replies to this, Thanks. I downloaded the death entry (below) and although its clear it doesn't tie in.
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Something is up isn't it on the names for Ann's parents :-\
I think I found her and George in 1891 - strangely mis-indexed as Reid!
George Reid 25, traveller (hawker) b. Arbroath
Annie Reid 24 b. Aberdeen
John Reid 2 b. Dundee
Address: 13 Overgate, Dundee
So, as far as I can see, George McNicoll is relatively straightforward. Ann, wife, is a bit of mystery before her marriage in 1883....
Monica
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As Monica says, Ann & her mother are certainly a bit of a mystery. I have looked on the transcribed censuses on ancestry but not found a suitable Ann born ca 1865 or Mary born ca 1840 - 45 [under McPhail or Reid] with each other before 1883. Nor a Robert Reid.