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Ring any bells? Teddy died in 1973 in Miami and was survived by two sisters. His wife was Anabel Hiles but they married late and had no children. He had arrived in Miami in 1945 from Indiana Harbor, Indiana.
They were my grandather's cousins and I have a letter and card from them and Anabel's parents, WIlliam and Minnie Hiles sent 1939-1942.
Ann Berry,Colchester, England
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What information are you seeking?
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Looking for living descendents of Teddy's sisters.
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That's a problem because living people cannot be mentioned here by name.
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As Erato said, posting about people who are or may still be living is against the rules of Roots Chat. If you know that Teddy's sisters are deceased, you can post information about them and if any information is found about descendants, it can be sent to you via private message.
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You could check the US Social Security Death Index to see if these people have died.
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Sister of Teddy ??? Bessie Belle Deitzman born 5 Aug 1888 in Berlin, Steele, Minnesota and died 18 Apr 1981 in San Juan Capistrano, Orange Co. California.
Married Guy Harry Budrow born 27 Jan 1886 in Illinois, and died 6 Feb 1967 in Los Angeles, Los Angeles, California.
California Death Index shows - Bessie Bell Budrow - (Bessie Bell Dletzmann)
Birth Date: 5 Aug 1888 - Minnesota
Died 18 Apr 1981 - Orange. California
Mother's Maiden Name: Edrington - Father's Surname: Dletzmann
California Death Index shows - Guy H Budrow - Birth Date: 27 Jan 1886 - Illinois
Died 6 Feb 1967 Los Angeles
Mother's Maiden Name: Muzzey
Daughter:- Leona Marie Budrow - Born 4 Apr 1911 in Chicago, Cook, Illinois,
and died 7 Oct 1987 in Mission Viejo, Orange, California.
Married Earl M VanBuskirk - Born 20 Oct 1903 in Ogden, Weber, Utah,
and died 19 Oct 1976 in Los Angeles, Los Angeles, California.
Source Anc Tree
Sandra
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Leona and Earl had a daughter - Lind Van Buskirk/Guerry born Oct 1950 in Glendale, Los Angeles, California and died 21 Jan 2009 in Covina, Los Angeles, California.
Believe the couple divorced about 1986 - the couple had 2 sons.
Have the names and birth dates of these sons, plus wives and families - will send by pm
Sandra
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Husband of Lela M Dietman :-
Fred Crouse
SSN: 501-05-0942 Born 5 th April 1893 and died December 1975
Last Residence: 46406 Gary, Lake, Indiana.
SSN was issued in North Dakota (Before 1951)
Possibility for Lela M (BUT the birth date varies by 2 days from anc trees - 25th August 1902 ???)
Lela Crouse
Born 23 August 1902 and died February 1986
Last Residence: 60401 Beecher, Will, Illinois.
SSN was issued in North Dakota (Before 1951)
Lela and Fred were living in Hazelton, Emmons, North Dakota in 1930/1940 and had no children showing on those census.
Sandra
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Lela and Bessie were the 2 surviving sister. Mabel Dietman/Ryckman and husband Stanley were living in Calumet, Lake, Indiana in 1940 but had no children. Mabel predeceased Teddy.
Sandra
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FIND A GRAVE
Bessie Bell Dletzmann Budrow - Birth: Aug. 5, 1888 and died April 18, 1981
Burial:
Forest Lawn Memorial Park (Hollywood Hills) Los Angeles Los Angeles County California.
Plot: Eternal Love, Map E23, Lot 4245, Space 4
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0pyt/
and husband Guy Harry Budrow - Birth: Jan. 27, 1886 and died February 6 th1967
Burial: Forest Lawn Memorial Park (Hollywood Hills) Los Angeles Los Angeles County
California, USA
Plot: Eternal Love, Map E23, Lot 4245, Space 3
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0pyu/
Sandra
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My Dietzman family are Illinois-based.
Thomas, father b.1859, Laura, mother, b.1870, Mabel M. b.1898, Arthur D. b. 1901, Darwin, b. 1091, Lela M. b.1902, Theodore R. b.1905, Frank L. b.1908 and Guy(?) b.1911.
Theodore married Anabel Hiles and lived in East Chicago, Lake County, Indiana. They moved to Florida circa 1945. Ted died in 1973 and was survived by Anabel and two Dietzman sisters - Mabel and Lela.
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Yes, I guessed they were Illinois based from looking at the census records for a few hours.
Are you saying this is the wrong family ??? All the names seem to match ???
Have you looked at the family on all the census ??? Were there not more children than you mention ??? The father Thomas J Dietman may also have been married twice ???
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0q4h/
Thomas Dietzman and Belle (Laura) in 1900 Marion, Ogle, Illinois
Thomas J Dietzman 39 Belle Dietzman 31
Jessie L Dietzman 13 Bessie B Dietzman 11
Fred F Dietzman 9 William H Dietzman 6
Charles E Dietzman 5 Mable M Dietzman 2
Arthur D Dietzman 1 month
Ornaldo White 55
Birth of Belle Dietman (omitted from your list)
Bessie Belle Deitzman - Birth Date: 5 Aug 1888 - Berlin, Steele, Minnesota
Father's Name: Thomas J. Deitzman and Mother Laura B Deitzman
Thomas Dietman and Belle (Laura) in 1910 Oregon Ward 1, Ogle, Illinois.
Thomas Dietzman 51 Laura Dietzman 40
Mabel M Dietzman 12 Arthur D Dietzman 9
Lela M Dietzman 7 Theodore R Dietzman 5
Frank L Dietzman 2
Thomas Dietzmann - Birth Date: 9 Aug 1858 - Illinois
Death Date: 29 Apr 1916 - Oregon, Oregon Township, Ogle, Illinois - Aged 57 years. General Labourer. Married
Buried 2 May 1916 Oregon
Gender: Male
Father Name: Trouket Dietzmann born Germany and Mother Roselplia Clarke born Wisconsin
In 1920 Thomas Dietzman has died (as shown above) and Laura (widowed) is living with F Lyle Dietzman (thats Frank Lyle) in Dawson, Kidder, North Dakota. Darwin is Arthur Darwin.
Laura B Dietzman 50 (Widowed)
Darwin A Dietzman 19 Lela M Dietzman 17
Theodore R Dietzman 15 F Lyle Dietzman 12 J Guy Dietzman 9 (thats John Guy Dietzman)
East Chicago, Lake, Indiana in 1930 (John Guy goes under Guy and is living with Laura)
Laura Dietzman 60
Mabel Dietzman 31 Theodore Dietzman 26 Guy Dietzman 19
John Guy Dietzman - Birth Date: 5 Oct 1910 - Oregon, Illinois. Aged 22 years. Single. Occupation:- Electrician.
Died 20 May 1933 KeKalb, Illinois
Burial Date: 22 May 1933 DeKalb, Ill - Cemetery Fairview
Street Address: 112 1\2 N 4th St - DeKalb, Ill
Father Name: Thomas J. Dietzman - Buffalo, N Y
Mother Luva B. Edrington - Galesberg, Illinois
Laura Dietzman - [Laura Irington] Birth Date: 25 May 1869 - Galesburg, Illinois - Aged 71 years. Widowed.
Death Date: 30 Jan 1941 DeKalb, DeKalb, Illinois
Burial Date: 1 Feb 1941 DeKalb, DeKalb, Illinois
Father Name: George E. Irington Elaton, Kentucky
and Mother: Elizabeth Piper - Ohio
Spouse Name: T. Dietzman
In 1940 Laura is living with Guy and Bessie Budrow DeKalb, DeKalb, Illinois and described as Mother-In-Law.
Guy H Budrow 54 and Bessie B Budrow 51
Laura B Dietzman 70
Sandra
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Hello Sandra,
Ho Ho Ho - I hadn't found them in the 1900. You're quite right of course. Two wives and eleven children, eh? Fairly normal for the time I suppose.
My interest is Theodore as you know who married Anabel Hiles tho I haven't found their marriage yet. She was 10 years older than him. In the 1930 census they live a few streets away from each other in East Chicago, Lake County and in 1904 he's living in her house (presumably married being good church people - according to the memorial when they died in Florida).
Have you any idea how to go about tracking naturalisation papers? It's Anabel's father I'm after - William Hiles (b.1866 Staffordshire,England) who was supposed to have been naturalised around 1890-1893. He was my grandfather's uncle and I've got letters from Teddy and Anabel Dietzman written in 1940. But I've got a bit sidetracked.
How are the Dietzmanns connected to your family tree? Through Bessie Bell?
Thanks VERY much for all your help, All the best, Ann
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Hi Ann,
No relation to your Dietzman family, just a willing researcher.
Can only see Annabel born 1888 Pennsylvania with Alfred and Kate, unfortunately cannot see one with a William.
Alfred Hiles appears to be the son of Frederick Hiles and Emma Price. Alfred was born Abertillery, Monmouthshire, Wales. He did have a brother Willie/William born 1866 Rudgley, Staffordshire, England.
William Hiles - Christening Date: 28 Apr 1867 - Rugeley, Staffordshire, England
Father's Name: Frederick Hiles and Mother Emma.
Annabel - 1900 - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M3M9-JV4
Annabel 1910 - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MKP8-Y3G
Marriage of Alfred and Kate - St Louis 13 December 1882
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V2D6-X5F
Sandra
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Think you have it slightly muddled - There is a marriage of William Hiles. Born 1866 and aged 49 years to a Minnie Kaufmann aged 38 years. Married Chicago. Cook. Illinois 29 December 1915
and they are living in Miami, Dade, Florida in 1930.
William Hiles 64 Born England. Parents born England. Immigrated 1892.
Winnie Hiles 54 Born Illinois.
Alphia Mcneil 33 Roomer.
Fred Button 42 Roomer.
Elvin Dickover 63 Roomer.
William in Center, Delaware, Indiana in 1900 - SINGLE
Thomas Cooksey 49
Mary Cooksey 43
William B Cooksey 12
William Hiles 33 Born England April 1867. Parents born England, Boarder. Single. Immigrated 1890. NA. Rougher at steel mill.
Sandra
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Brickell Avenue Miami, Dade, Florida in 1940
William Hiles 74 and Mennie Hiles 63
Horuce J Horne 37 Lodger.
Elizabeth D Horne 37 Lodgers wife
Didn'ty see a 1945 entry for William and Minnie ???
Sandra
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Alfred Hiles died in 1919 - Burial - Oak Hill Cemetery Hammond Lake County
Indiana. Plot Sect 6
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0q4k/
Kate Hiles died in 1928 - Burial - Oak Hill Cemetery. Hammopnd. Lake County.
Indiana. Plot Sect 6
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=93172639
Sandra
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Kate and Anna in 1920 - East Chicago Ward 7, Lake, Indiana
Kate Hiles 64 Born Louisiana. Widowed.
Anna Hiles 31 Born Pennsylvania. Teacher.
Sandra
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Think this is maybe a release of deeds
An Article in the Hammond Times 9 th December 1936
I H Natl Bank of EC Tr by the Union Natl Bank of I H Liqu Agt to Annabel Hines dated 17 th November 1936.
Sandra
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My Dietzman family are Illinois-based.
Thomas, father b.1859, Laura, mother, b.1870, Mabel M. b.1898, Arthur D. b. 1901, Darwin, b. 1091, Lela M. b.1902, Theodore R. b.1905, Frank L. b.1908 and Guy(?) b.1911.
Theodore married Anabel Hiles and lived in East Chicago, Lake County, Indiana. They moved to Florida circa 1945. Ted died in 1973 and was survived by Anabel and two Dietzman sisters - Mabel and Lela.
Ted was survived by Bessie and Lela.
Obituary - The Times. Hammond. Indiana.
Mabel M Ryckman aged 70 years of 855 State Street, Hammond passed away 15 th October 1968 at St Margaret's hospital. Survivors included husband Stanley and 2 sisters, Mrs Bessie Budrow from Los Angeles. California and Lela Crouse of Gary. Indiana, 4 brothers - Fred Dietzman of Rockford. Illinois, Darwin Dietzman of Hammond. Ted Dietzman of Miami. Florida, Lyle Dietzman of California, nieces and nephews. Funeral Service held Friday the 18th October 1968.
Burial Calumet Park Cemetery. Crown Point. Indiana.
Mabel was a resident of the area for 38 years, a member of the first christian church of East Chicago. Past President of the Daughters of the Union Veterans, member of Tau Delta Omega Sorority.
Sandra
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Husband of Mabel - died in Canada
Stanley M. Ryckman
Born 15 th July 1905 and died 17 November 1993
Last Residence: 953 (U.S. Consulate), Canada
SSN was issued in Indiana (Before 1951)
Sandra
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These were the missing Dietzman Deaths
Frank L Dietzman
Birth Date: 18 Oct 1907 Illinois
Died 29 Sep 1969 Monterey
Mother's Maiden Name: Edrington
Arthur Darwin Dietzman
Born 29 th April 1900 and died July 1972
Last Residence: 46320 Hammond, Lake, Indiana.
SSN was issued in Indiana (Before 1951)
Fred Dietzman
Born 9 th March 1891 and died September 1971
Last Residence: 61442 Keithsburg, Mercer, Illinois,
SSN was issued in Illinois (Before 1951)
Charles E. Dietzman
Birth Jan 1895 in Illinois
and died Feb 1957 in Helena, Lewis and Clark, Montana.
Jessie Laura Dietzman
BornJun 1887 in Illinois and died 3 Jan 1906
Burial - Riverview Cemetery, Oregon, Ogle, Illinois,
Sandra
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Wiliam H Dietzman died 5 th July 1943. Pennington. South Dakota.
Alta 1897 - 1983
Burial: Mountain View Cemetery Rapid City Pennington County
South Dakota.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0q4p/
Sandra
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Well, I'll be a monkey's uncle!! I knew about brother Alfred but never knew he went to America as well...and that HE was the father of Anabel. Was I ever barking up the wrong tree. What revelations.
I've been several days in replying because I've been trying to sort it all out. And I couldn't believe seeing photos of the actual memorial plaques for some Dietzmanns. How completely marvellous of you, Sandra. You've absolutely delighted me.
As a follow up, I'd love to have any info you might have on the Guerry sons.
What is 'Release of Deeds'? Was that when Anabel inherited her parents' house maybe?
I have never been able to find Anabel's actual birth date and place nor her marriage to Theodore R. Dietzman.
I've also never found the deaths of William Hiles and his wife Minnie Kaufmann. They must have died around 1940 in Dade County, Florida.
Thank you so much for all your hard work and for guiding me in the right direction at last.
All the best to you and yours, Ann Berry
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You're very welcome Ann, pleased to help.
Believe the release of deeds was to do with the winding up of Annabel's mothers estate since she had died a few years previous.
Perhaps this was William Hiles
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VVDP-VVM
Sandra
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Thank you Sandra,
That might indeed be the death of William Hiles. Do you know where I could write to in the USA to get a death certificate?
You did say that you would send me the names and birthdates and family details of the two Lind Van Buskirk/Guerry sons. But I haven't seen them.
Thanks so much for your help. You're really good at this!
Ann
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Have you checked your personal message box from Wednesday 15th August, the info was sent on that day ?
Will resend incase you have deleted it.
Sandra