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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: eadaoin on Monday 13 August 12 22:59 BST (UK)
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No problems - I'm just curious, really!
What are the criteria for the names given under each county?
It used to be Civil Parishes, I think.
eadaoin
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Cities and towns with pop. of 750 or greater, in 1871, keeps the lists a little more compact, and still shows a reasonable number for the less densely populated counties. Unfortunately, the old list of civil parishes meant there were many more places under each county and it took a great deal longer to scroll down to the lists of threads on tthe board itself.
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thanks, aghadowey
I knew there had to be a good reason - just curious, as I said!
(and thanks for all the hard work that you and Shane and the other moderators put in!)
eadaoin
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thanks, aghadowey
I knew there had to be a good reason - just curious, as I said!
(and thanks for all the hard work that you and Shane and the other moderators put in!)
eadaoin
Second that
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It was Civil parishes - now towns and Cities as aghadowey mentioned. I think much more recognizable for people this way, especially beginners who might not know what a civil parish was..
Shane
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There is a place listed under Cork - Cloanmines - which I looked up as I'd never heard of it. It's now Cluin but much better known as Allihies. Bit on it here from Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allihies
Would it be an idea to clarify for anyone unfamiliar with it?
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The town names are based on a report created from the 1871 census, but maybe including an alternate name for this would be a good idea - as in the Queenstown/Cobh notation.
It's also listed as Cloanmines on the 1851 townland Index -
Civil Parish / Kilnamanagh
Barony / Bear
Poor Law Union / Castletown
Shane
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The unnamed town is shown on the OSI maps in the townland of Cloan, even though is has a police barracks and post office. Allihes appears as the town name of the later map.
The placename database lists Allihies as a 'population centre' - i.e. one step down from a town. The townland it's contained in is listed as Cloan or An Chluain as Gaeilge.
for reference :
1st Ed - c1835 (http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,458717,545356,6,7)
25" - c1890 (http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,458579,545225,6,9)
I'll talk nicely to Admin about adding "/ Allihies" to the Cloanmines entry.
S.
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Thanks Shane. Cloanmines seems a bit obscure as a placename. From what I could see it doesn't seem to feature much in Google hits apart from censuses and I don't think it even gets a mention in Lewis' Topographical Dictionary.
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I just double checked the statistics extracted from the 1871 census - included in the list of towns in Ireland with population 120 or greater is Cloanmines, Co.Cork, population 882. So a reasonable size...
I think the 'mines' part of the town name may have derived from local resources in the parish - apparently Asbestos, lead and copper ore, and also iron ore.
see the Lewis Entry for the parish : Kilnamannagh civil parish (http://www.libraryireland.com/topog/K/Kilnamannagh-Bere-Cork.php) (Bere/Bear Barony)
see also 1st Ed. OSI Map (c1837) showing mines, foundry, Bearhavan copper mine, engine houses, various works, powder magazine etc : part of Cloan townland (http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,459137,545798,6,7)
S.
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Hi.
Thanks to all who responded to my inquiry re the absence of village names from the Galway area. I believe I found the link on the Forum page under ........http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php#c3
I'm still figuring out how to navigate these pages, so please bear with me.
Thank you.
Sarah