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Title: Harrison: Victorian Look-up please
Post by: Eden55 on Wednesday 08 August 12 12:36 BST (UK)
I'm looking for anything (marriage / death / voter list etc) for a Ruth Rhoda HARRISON. She was born in 1837 in England and arrived in Aust. (Sydney) with her parents (Christopher & Emma) in 1853.
I can track the family to Victoria (abt 1857) but can find no record of Ruth after their arrival in Sydney.
Any help would be welcome. :)
Title: Re: Harrison: Victorian Look-up please
Post by: Raylen on Wednesday 08 August 12 13:08 BST (UK)
Hi Eden55

Marriage in Victoria
HARRISON Ruth
PALMER  Edward James
1859
Reg#1489

Death in Victoria
PALMER Ruth Rhoda
died 1920 age 81 years  Hawthorn
Father: Christopher Harrison  Mother: Emma Claridge
Reg#6139

Raylen
Title: Re: Harrison: Victorian Look-up please
Post by: Raylen on Wednesday 08 August 12 13:26 BST (UK)
Births in Victoria
PALMER
Father: Edward James   Mother: Ruth HARRISON for all except last 2 children born then Ruth Rhoda Harrison for these 2.


Emma  1860  Leth
Reg Number: 8725

Rose Maud 1861  Cmaine
Reg Number: 22632

Minnie  1863   Gard
Reg Number: 8893

Martha  1865  Prahran
Reg Number: 10863

Edward James 
1868  Prahran
Reg Number: 4801

Charles Henry  1872  Prahran
Reg Number: 4773

Arthur Ernest  1874  Prahran
Reg Number: 4653

Ruth Mabel  1881  Prahran
Reg Number: 18672

Raylen

Title: Re: Harrison: Victorian Look-up please
Post by: Raylen on Wednesday 08 August 12 13:39 BST (UK)
Electoral Roll
32 Park Street, Hawthorn


PALMER
1903  - can't read details
1909
Emma Blanch - Home Duties
Mabel - Machinist
Martha - Machinist
Minnie - Nurse
Rose Maud - Machinist
Ruth Rhoda - Home Duties
1914
Martha - Machinist
Minnie - Nurse
Ruth Rhoda - Home Duties


Possible death in Victoria
PALMER Edward James
1889 Hawthorn  56 years
Father: Jno   Mother: Martha Spencer
Reg#12249

Raylen
Title: Re: Harrison: Victorian Look-up please
Post by: Eden55 on Wednesday 08 August 12 13:44 BST (UK)
WOW!! Thank you so much for this info - it has filled in a huge blank!! Much appreciated :) :)  ;D :)
Title: Re: Harrison: Victorian Look-up please
Post by: Raylen on Wednesday 08 August 12 13:53 BST (UK)

Buried at St Kilda Cemetery

BAPTIST, MONUMENTAL, COMPARTMENT B GRAVE 0241

PALMER
Ruth                 date of burial 1/6/1920
Edward James                "      9/7/1889
Arthur Ernest                  "     26/4/1896

Raylen

You're welcome  :D
Title: Re: Harrison: Victorian Look-up please
Post by: Eden55 on Wednesday 08 August 12 23:09 BST (UK)
Thanks for your help :D ;D
Title: Re: Harrison: Victorian Look-up please
Post by: Aussie1947 on Wednesday 08 August 12 23:21 BST (UK)
Hi,

Just for interst there was a Christopher Harrison involvced in a Supreme Court of Victoria land dispute with a John Ackland.  This was gazetted in 1859, Harrison was the Plaintiff.

Might not be your Christopher though.

Regards
Gerry
Title: Re: Harrison: Victorian Look-up please
Post by: Aussie1947 on Wednesday 08 August 12 23:37 BST (UK)
Death notice for Arthur Ernest Palmer in 1896.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/8899799?searchTerm=

The address was 32 Park St.

Gerry
Title: Re: Harrison: Victorian Look-up please
Post by: Eden55 on Wednesday 08 August 12 23:44 BST (UK)
Thanks Gerry.
I'm now trying to track marriages for Edward James (1868) and Charles Henry (1872)
I've found death notices for Emma, Rose, and now Ernest. So still lots of research ahead!
Title: Re: Harrison: Victorian Look-up please
Post by: Aussie1947 on Wednesday 08 August 12 23:49 BST (UK)

The  auction of 32 Park St Glenferrie in 1894.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/8724193?searchTerm=

Sounds like it was a nice place.

Gerry
Title: Re: Harrison: Victorian Look-up please
Post by: Raylen on Thursday 09 August 12 06:26 BST (UK)
    
Thanks Gerry.
I'm now trying to track marriages for Edward James (1868) and Charles Henry (1872)


Death of Edward James PALMER

14/7/1916
Family notice in  http://trove.nla.gov.au

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0pnk/

Can't see a death registration for him  :-\

Buried at St Kilda Cemetery 17/7/1916
http://www.deceasedsearch.com
with his wife Elizabeth Alice - buried 23/5/1949
and son Arthur Charles - buried 21/7/1916 age 13 years

 :-[ Poor Elizabeth lost a husband and a son in a week 

Marriage in Victoria
PALMER Edw James (Prahran)
BUGG Eliz Alice (St Kilda)
1897  Reg#6323

Raylen

Title: Re: Harrison: Victorian Look-up please
Post by: cando on Thursday 09 August 12 07:15 BST (UK)
The 1903 electoral roll listings are identical to the 1909....yes they are certainly difficult to read.

Quote
PALMER
Ruth                 date of burial 1/6/1920
Edward James                "      9/7/1889
Arthur Ernest                  "     26/4/1896
Raylen

Death
PALMER Edward James
Father John  Mother Martha SPICER
At Hawthorn 56 years  1889  Reg#12249

Inquest
PALMER Edward James
At Hawthorn 56 years  1889  Ref#917
Cause Suicide hanged
Occupation Carpenter


PALMER Edward James
Father Unknown  Mother Unknown UNKNOWN
At Sunbury  51 years  1916  Reg#12420

Inquests alway held to deaths in public institutions and not unusual to have scant information on death certificates as it was often a member of staff who was the informant.

Death
PALMER Edward James
1916  Ref#680
Cause Tuberculosis pneumonia
Inq Date 17 Jul 1916

Cando

Title: Re: Harrison: Victorian Look-up please
Post by: cando on Thursday 09 August 12 07:20 BST (UK)
Newspaper report dated 10 Jul 1889 with incorrect name...Alfred James PALMER instead of Edward James PALMER.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0pnr/

Cando
Title: Re: Harrison: Victorian Look-up please
Post by: cando on Thursday 09 August 12 07:32 BST (UK)
There are digitised files [Letters of Administration] at PROV for Edward James [known as James] PALMER and his widow Ruth Rhonda PALMER [Will] of Glenferrie.
http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=54

Cando


Title: Re: Harrison: Victorian Look-up please
Post by: Raylen on Thursday 09 August 12 07:50 BST (UK)
    
Thanks Gerry.
I'm now trying to track marriages for Edward James (1868) and Charles Henry (1872)

Marriage in Victoria
PALMER Chas Henry  (Windsor)
PARRY Nellie (St Kilda)
1897  Reg# 3534

Death in Victoria
PALMER Charles Henry
1954 age 82 years Heidelberg
Father: Edward James  Mother: Ruth Harrison
Reg#12385

PALMER Nellie
1952 age 76 years  Fitzroy
Father: Thos Parry  Mother: Mary Unknown
Reg#8151

Cremations at Springvale Botanical Cemetery
The cremated remains have been scattered.

PALMER Charles Henry   date of Service   1/11/1954
PALMER Nellie               date of Service  21/7/1952

http://sbc.smct.org.au/


Raylen

Title: Re: Harrison: Victorian Look-up please
Post by: Eden55 on Thursday 09 August 12 08:15 BST (UK)
Thanks - I can't believe how helpful everyone is - it's wonderful  ;D

Cando - does this mean that the death that I have now for Edward James Palmer (1889) was actually Alfred Palmer....or the one on TROVE should be Edward James?....and that EJP committed suicide?
Looks like the tragedies that have beset this family historically have continued.

Thank you all for your incredible help!
Title: Re: Harrison: Victorian Look-up please
Post by: cando on Thursday 09 August 12 08:23 BST (UK)
Edward James PALMER committed suicide and it was reported incorrectly in the newspaper as Alfred James PALMER.  Edward James was known as James according to the Letters of Administration file on PROV.

Cando
Title: Re: Harrison: Victorian Look-up please
Post by: wivenhoe on Thursday 09 August 12 09:55 BST (UK)




Edward J Palmer has Will, Victoria, d. 8 Jul 1889.

Reading it, with separate addresses for Edward, and wife and beneficiary Ruth, it could be that they are not living together.

Statement by Ruth...... that furniture in house belongs to her.



Ruth R Palmer has a Will, Victoria, has five (un named) daughters, Emma Blanche is executor.
Title: Re: Harrison: Victorian Look-up please
Post by: Raylen on Thursday 09 August 12 10:39 BST (UK)

Hi there wivenhoe,

Just a thought  :D

Perhaps the address was different because it was in 1897 that the
Order on the Letters of Administration was granted to his wife.

He died in 1889, so she may have changed address by then.

Raylen

Title: Re: Harrison: Victorian Look-up please
Post by: cando on Thursday 09 August 12 10:45 BST (UK)
I agree Raylen.

Ruth's will was mentioned previously.

Cando
Title: Re: Harrison: Victorian Look-up please
Post by: Raylen on Thursday 09 August 12 10:54 BST (UK)
I have just gone through and edited some of my posts.

I realised I have been giving the name of Ruth Rhonda Harrison/Palmer
when i fact it seems it should be RUTH RHODA

Sorry for that   :-[

Raylen
Title: Re: Harrison: Victorian Look-up please
Post by: Eden55 on Thursday 09 August 12 11:12 BST (UK)
There was a reply earlier that the house in Glenferrie/ Hawthorn was up for sale in abt 1894....so very likely that Ruth had moved.
Can anyone tell me if there is any sort of cemetries register. Ruth's father (Christopher Harrison was buried in Melbourne General Cemetery in 1864. He was hung, so I'm curious as to whether he's in a 'general' section with a grave that's been totally ignored or a denominational section and if he has a headstone - could someone point me in the right direction please. (I really am a novice!!  - and part time research makes it a bit disjointed!!
Title: Re: Harrison: Victorian Look-up please
Post by: cando on Thursday 09 August 12 23:37 BST (UK)
The house was for sale in 1894 following the death of the owner.

Melbourne General Cemetery does not have online burial records.  You will need to contact their office.  The staff are very helpful.  Please give them all the info on the death cert or attach it to your enquiry.
mg[at]smct.org.au

There is no headstone according to my resource.

Cando




Title: Re: Harrison: Victorian Look-up please
Post by: cando on Thursday 09 August 12 23:39 BST (UK)
Correction   :-[

mgc[at]smct.org.au

Cando
Title: Re: Harrison: Victorian Look-up please
Post by: pippin3 on Saturday 15 September 12 14:44 BST (UK)
Blimey
I have just been reading the posts re Christopher Harrison & Emma Claridge.  It appears that Emma came out to Australia just as her half brother did & I had no idea! Nor did I have any idea about the hanging of Christopher (I visited the Old Melbourne Goal last school holidays - if only I had known).

Also very interested to know Cando's relationship to the photo of Louisa who is her GGGrandmother - the name Louisa appears in my family as well.

Regards
Pippin3
Title: Re: Harrison: Victorian Look-up please
Post by: cando on Saturday 15 September 12 15:06 BST (UK)
Sorry there is no connection to your family and there are so few descendants and I know them all :)

Cheers
Cando

Title: Re: Harrison: Victorian Look-up please
Post by: pippin3 on Saturday 15 September 12 15:28 BST (UK)
Hi Cando,

I still think there is a connection.
I have a parish record of a birth of Emma Claridge to Louisa Claridge in 1807 in Brington with no mention of the fathers name.
Emma's mother (?) Louisa Claridge married my direct ancestor in Brington Northamptonshire & had a son William who came out to Australia in 1852 ie.  they are half siblings.  Louisa's husband died early & she remarried several times & I have her in the 1841 UK Census living with her current husband and her 'housekeeper' Emma Harrison in Surrey.
I know that Emma Claridge married Christopher Harrison 25/6/1829 in Brington Northamptonshire by banns with the witnesses being Thomas Faulkner & Martha Harrison.  They had a son Christopher in 1830.
Does any of this sound familiar?

Pippin3
Title: Re: Harrison: Victorian Look-up please
Post by: cando on Sunday 16 September 12 03:18 BST (UK)
Sorry Pippin there is no connection with your family.

I am simply one of the many 'chatters who help others with their research. 

My great great grandmother Louisa was born in 1836.  I have her on the 1841 and 1851 census with her parents and siblings.   The photo was taken c1860 in Melbourne. 

Cheers
Cando
Title: Re: Harrison: Victorian Look-up please
Post by: Eden55 on Sunday 16 September 12 07:51 BST (UK)
Hi,
I haven't been on for awhile (too busy/ flu and other asstd things happening.)
Pippin - I believe we may have a connection. I am a descendant of Emma Claridge and Christopher Harrison and have been struggling to find info on them. I have their marriage date and in separate places in 1841 & 1851 censuses, plus the births and deaths of numerous children.
The stumbling block has been the info that Emma supplied on the immigration record as she lists her father as Thomas (Northants) and mother as Louisa residing in London. I haven't had access to the Norhants  records but someone did a look-up for me and said she was probably 'base born' (the first time I had ever heard that expression!!)
I would be happy for you to contact me privately (I haven't figured out how to do that!)
I have Christopher's lineage back another couple of generations but got nowhere with the Emma line.
I'd love to have photos of both E & C as I have photos of other GG-g'parents.

Cheers ;D
Title: Re: Harrison: Victorian Look-up please
Post by: cando on Sunday 16 September 12 08:23 BST (UK)
Eden this may help you with using the personal message system.
http://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php

I think Pippin needs to make another post before she can use it.

Good luck.

Cheers
Cando
Title: Re: Harrison: Victorian Look-up please
Post by: annabellamariamaud on Monday 01 October 12 14:39 BST (UK)
There are digitised files [Letters of Administration] at PROV for Edward James [known as James] PALMER and his widow Ruth Rhonda PALMER [Will] of Glenferrie.
http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=54

Cando 

Hi, I've been reading through these exchanges with interest, and the link given in the quoted post has been referred to by others, but for the life of me, I can't get it to go to anything like the interesting info that others have referred to. Is there somewhere where you have to use a log-in or something? I just can't see it, so would love a little extra help. Thanks!
Title: Re: Harrison: Victorian Look-up please
Post by: rosball on Tuesday 02 October 12 00:48 BST (UK)
Hi Annabellemariamaud,
   welcome to rootschat  :)

   No you don't have to login or anything.

That link takes you to a search "form" where you can fill in name etc

   Type in Palmer
              Edward
and year of death 1889

That should take you to a new page with
   Edward J Palmer carpenter Windsor .....  More
Click on more

That should take you to a page with his name etc and down the bottom
VPRS_28_P2_LINK    Find this file in our catalogue

Click on Find this file in our catalogue

This should take you to a page where at the bottom  it gives you an option of "View digital item"

Click on View digital item(and wait patiently  ;D) and an image of the will is displayed on screen

regards,
   Ros
Title: Re: Harrison: Victorian Look-up please
Post by: annabellamariamaud on Tuesday 02 October 12 02:15 BST (UK)
Thank you SO much for the steps, Ros - it was a great help. PROV isn't a site I've had any previous experience with, so I wasn't at all sure I was "doing it right". In fact, I'd previous got as far as the form summarising the details of EJP's death, but every time I tried to "view file" something had a fit, and I'd end up back at the previous page, or lost off in some area which seemed entirely irrelevant. All worked beautifully just now, and I am printing off the original document as we speak. Fascinating stuff. Again, thank you so much for your help.  :D
Title: Re: Harrison: Victorian Look-up please
Post by: rosball on Tuesday 02 October 12 02:42 BST (UK)
A pleasure  :)
I certainly had problems when I first looked for a will.  ;D

By the way when you get to the step where it is has these links like
  VPRS_28_??_LINK  find this file in our catalogue
there are usually 2 or 3 possibilities but when you follow them not all have been digitised so you don't always get the option of view digitised item.  I think there is always at least one that has been digitised.

regards,
   Ros
Title: Re: Harrison: Victorian Look-up please
Post by: annabellamariamaud on Wednesday 03 October 12 02:10 BST (UK)
Thanks heaps! I've managed to complete both Edward James & Ruth Rhoda Palmer, as well as most of their children. I have a request about a grandchild, but I'll post that as a separate topic, now, as I know this post was originally about Ruth Rhoda. Bless you all - this help has made my efforts SO much easier. <3