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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Eden55 on Wednesday 08 August 12 12:36 BST (UK)
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I'm looking for anything (marriage / death / voter list etc) for a Ruth Rhoda HARRISON. She was born in 1837 in England and arrived in Aust. (Sydney) with her parents (Christopher & Emma) in 1853.
I can track the family to Victoria (abt 1857) but can find no record of Ruth after their arrival in Sydney.
Any help would be welcome. :)
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Hi Eden55
Marriage in Victoria
HARRISON Ruth
PALMER Edward James
1859
Reg#1489
Death in Victoria
PALMER Ruth Rhoda
died 1920 age 81 years Hawthorn
Father: Christopher Harrison Mother: Emma Claridge
Reg#6139
Raylen
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Births in Victoria
PALMER
Father: Edward James Mother: Ruth HARRISON for all except last 2 children born then Ruth Rhoda Harrison for these 2.
Emma 1860 Leth
Reg Number: 8725
Rose Maud 1861 Cmaine
Reg Number: 22632
Minnie 1863 Gard
Reg Number: 8893
Martha 1865 Prahran
Reg Number: 10863
Edward James 1868 Prahran
Reg Number: 4801
Charles Henry 1872 Prahran
Reg Number: 4773
Arthur Ernest 1874 Prahran
Reg Number: 4653
Ruth Mabel 1881 Prahran
Reg Number: 18672
Raylen
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Electoral Roll
32 Park Street, Hawthorn
PALMER
1903 - can't read details
1909
Emma Blanch - Home Duties
Mabel - Machinist
Martha - Machinist
Minnie - Nurse
Rose Maud - Machinist
Ruth Rhoda - Home Duties
1914
Martha - Machinist
Minnie - Nurse
Ruth Rhoda - Home Duties
Possible death in Victoria
PALMER Edward James
1889 Hawthorn 56 years
Father: Jno Mother: Martha Spencer
Reg#12249
Raylen
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WOW!! Thank you so much for this info - it has filled in a huge blank!! Much appreciated :) :) ;D :)
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Buried at St Kilda Cemetery
BAPTIST, MONUMENTAL, COMPARTMENT B GRAVE 0241
PALMER
Ruth date of burial 1/6/1920
Edward James " 9/7/1889
Arthur Ernest " 26/4/1896
Raylen
You're welcome :D
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Thanks for your help :D ;D
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Hi,
Just for interst there was a Christopher Harrison involvced in a Supreme Court of Victoria land dispute with a John Ackland. This was gazetted in 1859, Harrison was the Plaintiff.
Might not be your Christopher though.
Regards
Gerry
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Death notice for Arthur Ernest Palmer in 1896.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/8899799?searchTerm=
The address was 32 Park St.
Gerry
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Thanks Gerry.
I'm now trying to track marriages for Edward James (1868) and Charles Henry (1872)
I've found death notices for Emma, Rose, and now Ernest. So still lots of research ahead!
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The auction of 32 Park St Glenferrie in 1894.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/8724193?searchTerm=
Sounds like it was a nice place.
Gerry
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Thanks Gerry.
I'm now trying to track marriages for Edward James (1868) and Charles Henry (1872)
Death of Edward James PALMER
14/7/1916
Family notice in http://trove.nla.gov.au
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0pnk/
Can't see a death registration for him :-\
Buried at St Kilda Cemetery 17/7/1916
http://www.deceasedsearch.com
with his wife Elizabeth Alice - buried 23/5/1949
and son Arthur Charles - buried 21/7/1916 age 13 years
:-[ Poor Elizabeth lost a husband and a son in a week
Marriage in Victoria
PALMER Edw James (Prahran)
BUGG Eliz Alice (St Kilda)
1897 Reg#6323
Raylen
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The 1903 electoral roll listings are identical to the 1909....yes they are certainly difficult to read.
PALMER
Ruth date of burial 1/6/1920
Edward James " 9/7/1889
Arthur Ernest " 26/4/1896
Raylen
Death
PALMER Edward James
Father John Mother Martha SPICER
At Hawthorn 56 years 1889 Reg#12249
Inquest
PALMER Edward James
At Hawthorn 56 years 1889 Ref#917
Cause Suicide hanged
Occupation Carpenter
PALMER Edward James
Father Unknown Mother Unknown UNKNOWN
At Sunbury 51 years 1916 Reg#12420
Inquests alway held to deaths in public institutions and not unusual to have scant information on death certificates as it was often a member of staff who was the informant.
Death
PALMER Edward James
1916 Ref#680
Cause Tuberculosis pneumonia
Inq Date 17 Jul 1916
Cando
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Newspaper report dated 10 Jul 1889 with incorrect name...Alfred James PALMER instead of Edward James PALMER.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0pnr/
Cando
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There are digitised files [Letters of Administration] at PROV for Edward James [known as James] PALMER and his widow Ruth Rhonda PALMER [Will] of Glenferrie.
http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=54
Cando
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Thanks Gerry.
I'm now trying to track marriages for Edward James (1868) and Charles Henry (1872)
Marriage in Victoria
PALMER Chas Henry (Windsor)
PARRY Nellie (St Kilda)
1897 Reg# 3534
Death in Victoria
PALMER Charles Henry
1954 age 82 years Heidelberg
Father: Edward James Mother: Ruth Harrison
Reg#12385
PALMER Nellie
1952 age 76 years Fitzroy
Father: Thos Parry Mother: Mary Unknown
Reg#8151
Cremations at Springvale Botanical Cemetery
The cremated remains have been scattered.
PALMER Charles Henry date of Service 1/11/1954
PALMER Nellie date of Service 21/7/1952
http://sbc.smct.org.au/
Raylen
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Thanks - I can't believe how helpful everyone is - it's wonderful ;D
Cando - does this mean that the death that I have now for Edward James Palmer (1889) was actually Alfred Palmer....or the one on TROVE should be Edward James?....and that EJP committed suicide?
Looks like the tragedies that have beset this family historically have continued.
Thank you all for your incredible help!
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Edward James PALMER committed suicide and it was reported incorrectly in the newspaper as Alfred James PALMER. Edward James was known as James according to the Letters of Administration file on PROV.
Cando
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Edward J Palmer has Will, Victoria, d. 8 Jul 1889.
Reading it, with separate addresses for Edward, and wife and beneficiary Ruth, it could be that they are not living together.
Statement by Ruth...... that furniture in house belongs to her.
Ruth R Palmer has a Will, Victoria, has five (un named) daughters, Emma Blanche is executor.
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Hi there wivenhoe,
Just a thought :D
Perhaps the address was different because it was in 1897 that the
Order on the Letters of Administration was granted to his wife.
He died in 1889, so she may have changed address by then.
Raylen
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I agree Raylen.
Ruth's will was mentioned previously.
Cando
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I have just gone through and edited some of my posts.
I realised I have been giving the name of Ruth Rhonda Harrison/Palmer
when i fact it seems it should be RUTH RHODA .
Sorry for that :-[
Raylen
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There was a reply earlier that the house in Glenferrie/ Hawthorn was up for sale in abt 1894....so very likely that Ruth had moved.
Can anyone tell me if there is any sort of cemetries register. Ruth's father (Christopher Harrison was buried in Melbourne General Cemetery in 1864. He was hung, so I'm curious as to whether he's in a 'general' section with a grave that's been totally ignored or a denominational section and if he has a headstone - could someone point me in the right direction please. (I really am a novice!! - and part time research makes it a bit disjointed!!
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The house was for sale in 1894 following the death of the owner.
Melbourne General Cemetery does not have online burial records. You will need to contact their office. The staff are very helpful. Please give them all the info on the death cert or attach it to your enquiry.
mg[at]smct.org.au
There is no headstone according to my resource.
Cando
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Correction :-[
mgc[at]smct.org.au
Cando
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Blimey
I have just been reading the posts re Christopher Harrison & Emma Claridge. It appears that Emma came out to Australia just as her half brother did & I had no idea! Nor did I have any idea about the hanging of Christopher (I visited the Old Melbourne Goal last school holidays - if only I had known).
Also very interested to know Cando's relationship to the photo of Louisa who is her GGGrandmother - the name Louisa appears in my family as well.
Regards
Pippin3
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Sorry there is no connection to your family and there are so few descendants and I know them all :)
Cheers
Cando
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Hi Cando,
I still think there is a connection.
I have a parish record of a birth of Emma Claridge to Louisa Claridge in 1807 in Brington with no mention of the fathers name.
Emma's mother (?) Louisa Claridge married my direct ancestor in Brington Northamptonshire & had a son William who came out to Australia in 1852 ie. they are half siblings. Louisa's husband died early & she remarried several times & I have her in the 1841 UK Census living with her current husband and her 'housekeeper' Emma Harrison in Surrey.
I know that Emma Claridge married Christopher Harrison 25/6/1829 in Brington Northamptonshire by banns with the witnesses being Thomas Faulkner & Martha Harrison. They had a son Christopher in 1830.
Does any of this sound familiar?
Pippin3
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Sorry Pippin there is no connection with your family.
I am simply one of the many 'chatters who help others with their research.
My great great grandmother Louisa was born in 1836. I have her on the 1841 and 1851 census with her parents and siblings. The photo was taken c1860 in Melbourne.
Cheers
Cando
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Hi,
I haven't been on for awhile (too busy/ flu and other asstd things happening.)
Pippin - I believe we may have a connection. I am a descendant of Emma Claridge and Christopher Harrison and have been struggling to find info on them. I have their marriage date and in separate places in 1841 & 1851 censuses, plus the births and deaths of numerous children.
The stumbling block has been the info that Emma supplied on the immigration record as she lists her father as Thomas (Northants) and mother as Louisa residing in London. I haven't had access to the Norhants records but someone did a look-up for me and said she was probably 'base born' (the first time I had ever heard that expression!!)
I would be happy for you to contact me privately (I haven't figured out how to do that!)
I have Christopher's lineage back another couple of generations but got nowhere with the Emma line.
I'd love to have photos of both E & C as I have photos of other GG-g'parents.
Cheers ;D
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Eden this may help you with using the personal message system.
http://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php
I think Pippin needs to make another post before she can use it.
Good luck.
Cheers
Cando
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There are digitised files [Letters of Administration] at PROV for Edward James [known as James] PALMER and his widow Ruth Rhonda PALMER [Will] of Glenferrie.
http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=54
Cando
Hi, I've been reading through these exchanges with interest, and the link given in the quoted post has been referred to by others, but for the life of me, I can't get it to go to anything like the interesting info that others have referred to. Is there somewhere where you have to use a log-in or something? I just can't see it, so would love a little extra help. Thanks!
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Hi Annabellemariamaud,
welcome to rootschat :)
No you don't have to login or anything.
That link takes you to a search "form" where you can fill in name etc
Type in Palmer
Edward
and year of death 1889
That should take you to a new page with
Edward J Palmer carpenter Windsor ..... More
Click on more
That should take you to a page with his name etc and down the bottom
VPRS_28_P2_LINK Find this file in our catalogue
Click on Find this file in our catalogue
This should take you to a page where at the bottom it gives you an option of "View digital item"
Click on View digital item(and wait patiently ;D) and an image of the will is displayed on screen
regards,
Ros
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Thank you SO much for the steps, Ros - it was a great help. PROV isn't a site I've had any previous experience with, so I wasn't at all sure I was "doing it right". In fact, I'd previous got as far as the form summarising the details of EJP's death, but every time I tried to "view file" something had a fit, and I'd end up back at the previous page, or lost off in some area which seemed entirely irrelevant. All worked beautifully just now, and I am printing off the original document as we speak. Fascinating stuff. Again, thank you so much for your help. :D
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A pleasure :)
I certainly had problems when I first looked for a will. ;D
By the way when you get to the step where it is has these links like
VPRS_28_??_LINK find this file in our catalogue
there are usually 2 or 3 possibilities but when you follow them not all have been digitised so you don't always get the option of view digitised item. I think there is always at least one that has been digitised.
regards,
Ros
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Thanks heaps! I've managed to complete both Edward James & Ruth Rhoda Palmer, as well as most of their children. I have a request about a grandchild, but I'll post that as a separate topic, now, as I know this post was originally about Ruth Rhoda. Bless you all - this help has made my efforts SO much easier. <3