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Hi
I am trying to help a friend and am looking for information on his father, who he met a few times in later life but never got around to asking about his family. One lived in Canada and one in Australia so they only had brief times together and he had also remarried.
I wondered if anyone could help please?
His name was Ronald George Lambert, he was born in Birmingham, Engand in 1919 and emigrated with his family at 6 weeks old.
I have found a Ronald Lambert, born in England and departing London to St John,s in New Brunswick
in immigration records but cannot get into them, would someone be able to help please?
We are hoping it gives his parents names etc., Ronald died in 1988 in Canada.
Would there be any Canadian census available for his early years?
Many thanks
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Canaian Passenger List shows - Ronald Lambert. Born about 1919 England - aged 4 months.
Port of Departure: London, England to St Johns. New Brunswick, arriving 28 March 1920 on the Melita.
Travelling with Ethel Lambert aged 27 years, born England. (written in is husb F H Lambert)
Destination Newbury. New Brunswick.
Also written in against Ethel is "old xxx (could be leg ???) injury - able to travel)
Sandra
Added 1921 Census due next year
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Ronald George Lambert - Birth October 9 th -1919 in Birmingham England
and died September 27 th -1996 in Edmonton Alberta Canada.
Wife :- Alexandra Yedlinski -Born Feb. 2 nd-1928 in Saint Paul Alberta Canada
and died May 22 nd -2007 in Morinville Alberta Canada.
Daily Times Index shows that there should be an Obituary for Ronald George
Ronald George Lambert. Born 1920 Died Edmonton 1998 aged 78 years
Publication Date: 28 Sep 1998 - Publication Place: United States
Sandra
The parents of Alexandra Yedlinski were Stanley Yedlinski and Mary Ranchuk.
Looks like Ronald had another brother. Both parents could have died Woodstock. New Brunswick. Canada.
Source Anc Tree
Sandra
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Hi Sandra
Many thanks for the information.
We've made a start - thank you.
Does it look like her husband was travelling with them, do you think?
Kind regards,
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There was a marriage in Birmingham March 1918
Lambert Frank L to a Harwood Aston 6d 828
Sandra
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Hi
That could be the correct marriage as his middle name is Harwood!
I tried looking for a possible marriage and came up with nothing, well done :)
There is an Emily Lambert on an Ocean Arrivals 1919-1924, would this be the same as you have just given me or something different for her, would you be able to take a look for me please if possible?
I tried putting in F H Lambert but nothing seemed to come up for him.
Kind regards
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It should be Ethel not Emily ???
Sandra
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Canada Ocean Arrivals Form 30 A
Ethel Lambert abt 1893 Crewe, England - Aged 27 years
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England to Saint John. New Brunswick on the Melita, arriving 20 th March 1920.
Joining husband Frank Leonard Lambert. (Rest is difficult to read - looks like Pembrolty Can NB ???
Sandra
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Canadian Soldiers of WW1 - Attestation Papers for Frank Leonard Lambert
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ply/
Sandra
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Have you tried putting there names in on this 1911 search engine ? Both should come up for you.
http://www.1911census.co.uk/
Sandra
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Hi
It was her wasn't it. Would you have any idea why there are two different arrival dates 28th March and then the 20th March?
Thank you, the second one explains that she is joining her husband so he must have come out earlier.
I will have a look at the other things you sent, thanks again
Kind regards
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A Canadian Passenger List had a Frank Lambert. Born 1897 and aged 16 years
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England to Halifax. Nova Scotia, arriving 9 June 1913 on the Mongolian.
This was a group of children c/o the Middlemore Home.
The Middlemore Home was in Birmingham ???
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/nra/searches/subjectView.asp?ID=O26369
Sandra
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Hi
It was her wasn't it. Would you have any idea why there are two different arrival dates 28th March and then the 20th March?
Thank you, the second one explains that she is joining her husband so he must have come out earlier.
I will have a look at the other things you sent, thanks again
Kind regards
The first page of the passenger list says departed Liverpool March 19/20 th
Arrived St johns 28 th March 1920
Sandra
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Ronald's mother's maiden name is given as Harwood.His parents marriage could well be that of a Frank L Lambert and an Ethel Harwood which took place in the Aston District of Warwickshire in the Jan/Feb/Mar quarter of 1918,Volume 6d,Page 828.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Thanks William
Kind regards
I have found the family *Sandra* in 1891, 1901 and 1911 now and things are all fitting together nicely.
Kind regards
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Sandra said:
A Canadian Passenger List had a Frank Lambert. Born 1897 and aged 16 years
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England to Halifax. Nova Scotia, arriving 9 June 1913 on the Mongolian.
This was a group of children c/o the Middlemore Home.
The Middlemore Home was in Birmingham
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/nra/searches/subjectView.asp?ID=O26369
Everybody else may have figured this out, but it sounds like:
Frank went to Canada as a Home Child.
He was in England as a member of the Canadian military in WWI and married Ethel there.
He returned to Canada with the military, so doesn't show on passenger lists.
(edit re polarbear's post below -- oops, I just assumed he'd been looked for and not found!)
Ethel had son Ronald in England and then travelled to Canada to join Frank.
There are two Frank Lamberts in Home Child records:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/home-children/001015-100.01-e.php
Frank Lambert aged 19 arrived in 1911 (so he was born c1892), departing Glasgow 17 Jun 1911, "Domestics & Labourers", destination various locations
Frank Lambert aged 16 arrived in 1913 (so he was born c1897), departing Liverpool 27 May 1913, Middlemore Homes, destination Halifax
From the CEF papers, ours appears to be the younger one.
edit - it does show that not all Home Children lived lives of quiet desperation in Canada. Some chose to come back here after WWI, for example, and prospered (my mother's aunt's husband was another example of that).
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A Pte Frank L Lambert returned to Canada after the war on the Regina 19 Sep 1919, landing at Halifax NS. His destination was Debec Junction NB, which appears to match the address on the CEF papers.
If your Frank turns out to be the one from the Middlemore home, his records may be available through Library and Archives Canada under Immigration and Citizenship, Home Children.
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/index-e.html
You can also order Frank's full military record from the same place. Look under Military, then First World War, then Soldiers of same to find the Attestation papers. You will find instructions for ordering files there also. Price depends on the size of the file and may provide a fair bit of info.
PB
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Hi everyone
Many thanks for all the help you have been doing.
Two of my own ancestors were Canadian Home Children and were sent from Barnardo's. I tried obtaining their records but they wanted £100 each for them and that is way out of my price range.
My friend has his father's army records but thanks for letting me know, I also have one of my guys.
I am saving everything to send to him when I have put it all together nicely.
Many thanks again for all your help and taking the time to help me.
Kind regards
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Hi Cranstone,
Father Joseph Lambert seems to have died in 1907 and Mother Agnes in 1909.
Josephine seems to have been taken in by Uncle Tom Lambert. Horace and Frank were with Agnes, husband and children. Joseph the eldest was pursuing a military career.
I did find that Eric Arthur Willison born 1904 (son of Frank's sister Agnes Lambert and Arthur Ernest Willison) died in British Columbia 31 st May 1968.
Eric was married to Inez Erickson.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FLBZ-Z2L
Looking for immigration record for him, came across a Canadian Passenger List Avonmouth. England to Quebec on the Sicilian, arriving 10 September 1919. The Willison Family appeared - Agnes aged adult, Arthur 43 years, Arthur E aged 15 years, Austin aged 11 years, James 10 years and Harold 7 years. All travelling to a Mr Wood - Sifton. Manitoba.
Arthur was a Metal Worker but intended occupation was farming.
Sandra
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James L Wilison crossed the border from USA to Canada - James L Willison. Born Birmingham.England 1909 - Aged 17 years. Single. Farm Labourer.
With him was father Arthur E Willison aged 50 years. Farmer. Had been in Canada from Sept 1919 - 1923 - Moose Jaw. Saskatchewan. Wife Mrs Agnes Willison. Tilney. Sask. Looks like they had been living in Chicago. Illinois.
Arthurs brother was Frank Willison of Earlswood. England.
Arrival Port: North Portal, Saskatchewan - Date of Arrival: 18 Jun 1926
Sandra
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Daily Times Obituary Index names James Leslie Jimmie Willison. Died about 1999 Moose Jaw. Saskatchewan
Publication Date: 3 Apr 1999 - United States
Looks like James Leslie and Isabella Agnes (wife perhaps) are on the Saskatchewan Cemetery Index -
Isabella 1913 - 8 th October 1992
James Leslie 1909 - 1 st April 1999
Both Buried Remo Sunset Rest Haven Cametery. Moose Jaw. Saskatchewan.
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cansacem/resthaven_UVW.html
Sandra
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Hi "Sandra"
Many thanks for the new information. I know who Alexndra is now, penny finally dropped, she was known as Sandy.
I wonder their marriage could be found do you think? It would have been after 1945 I think.
Here is what you sent me on their deaths.
Ronald George Lambert - Birth October 9 th -1919 in Birmingham England
and died September 27 th -1996 in Edmonton Alberta Canada.
Wife :- Alexandra Yedlinski -Born Feb. 2 nd-1928 in Saint Paul Alberta Canada
and died May 22 nd -2007 in Morinville Alberta Canada
Kind regards
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Hi Cranstone,
Canada has very strict privacy laws and each province imposes its own even further. There are no Central registries/indexes in Canada for BMDs - as a guide BMD Records are only available for births more than a 100 years ago, marriages 80 years ago and deaths 70 years ago.
Sandra
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Ronald George Lambert - Birth October 9 th -1919 in Birmingham England
and died September 27 th -1996 in Edmonton Alberta Canada.
Wife :- Alexandra Yedlinski -Born Feb. 2 nd-1928 in Saint Paul Alberta Canada
and died May 22 nd -2007 in Morinville Alberta Canada.
Daily Times Index shows that there should be an Obituary for Ronald George
Ronald George Lambert. Born 1920 Died Edmonton 1998 aged 78 years
Publication Date: 28 Sep 1998 - Publication Place: United States
Sandra
The parents of Alexandra Yedlinski were Stanley Yedlinski and Mary Ranchuk.
Looks like Ronald had another brother. Both parents could have died Woodstock. New Brunswick. Canada.
Source Anc Tree
Sandra
You may have this extra information by now but will post just in case.
Found an obituary in 1998 not 1996
Edmonton Journal Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
28 Sep 1998, Mon Page 33
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/86006412/ronald-george-lambert-28-september/
Sandra
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Obituary Alexandra Lambert - Edmonton Journal Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
27 May 2007, Sun Page 42
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/86006571/alexandra-lambert-27-may-2007/
Sandra
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Obituary Brian Frank Lambert - Edmonton Journal Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
15 Nov 1994, Tue Page 54
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/86006700/obituary-for-brian-frank-lambert/
Sandra
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Daily Times Obituary Index names James Leslie Jimmie Willison. Died about 1999 Moose Jaw. Saskatchewan
Publication Date: 3 Apr 1999 - United States
Looks like James Leslie and Isabella Agnes (wife perhaps) are on the Saskatchewan Cemetery Index -
Isabella 1913 - 8 th October 1992
James Leslie 1909 - 1 st April 1999
Both Buried Remo Sunset Rest Haven Cametery. Moose Jaw. Saskatchewan.
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cansacem/resthaven_UVW.html
Sandra
Obituary - James Leslie Willison (with photograph)
The Leader-Post Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
3 Apr 1999, Sat Page 53
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/86006778/obituary-for-james-leslie-willison/
FIND A GRAVE
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/178548551/isabella-agnes-willison
Sandra
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FIND A GRAVE
Ethel Harwood Lambert (1972) and Frank Leonard Lambert (1979)
Anglican CemeteryWoodstock, Carleton County, New Brunswick.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/115760891/ethel-lambert
Sandra
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Hi Cranstone,
Father Joseph Lambert seems to have died in 1907 and Mother Agnes in 1909.
Josephine seems to have been taken in by Uncle Tom Lambert. Horace and Frank were with Agnes, husband and children. Joseph the eldest was pursuing a military career.
I did find that Eric Arthur Willison born 1904 (son of Frank's sister Agnes Lambert and Arthur Ernest Willison) died in British Columbia 31 st May 1968.
Eric was married to Inez Erickson.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FLBZ-Z2L
Looking for immigration record for him, came across a Canadian Passenger List Avonmouth. England to Quebec on the Sicilian, arriving 10 September 1919. The Willison Family appeared - Agnes aged adult, Arthur 43 years, Arthur E aged 15 years, Austin aged 11 years, James 10 years and Harold 7 years. All travelling to a Mr Wood - Sifton. Manitoba.
Arthur was a Metal Worker but intended occupation was farming.
Sandra
Obituary Eric Arthur Willison
The Vancouver Sun Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
1 Jun 1968, Sat Page 35
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/86007643/obituary-for-arthur-willison-aged-64/
Sandra
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Hi Sandra
Many thanks for your two replies. I haven't been on Rootschat for so long that i couldn't work out how to send a reply to you. Think I've found it! Your inbox is full and wouldn't accept this message so I hope this goes through lol.
Finally found the private message button and will have to thank you this way lol.
Do you know how easily records can be found for marriages etc in Nova Scotia please?
Again, thank you again.
Kind regards
Cranstone
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Do you know how easily records can be found for marriages etc in Nova Scotia please?
https://archives.novascotia.ca/vital-statistics/
Marriage Bonds 1763-1864, Marriage Registrations 1864-1945
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Hi Sandra
Many thanks for your two replies. I haven't been on Rootschat for so long that i couldn't work out how to send a reply to you. Think I've found it! Your inbox is full and wouldn't accept this message so I hope this goes through lol.
Finally found the private message button and will have to thank you this way lol.
Do you know how easily records can be found for marriages etc in Nova Scotia please?
Again, thank you again.
Kind regards
Cranstone
Thank you for yor message. Pleased to help. Give a shout if you need further help.
Regards
Sandra
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I'm not sure whether Cranstone realizes there have been more than two replies in the last few days!
There are two messages from Sandra on this page (page 4), but go back to pages 2 and 3 and you will see a whole lot more information. :)
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James and Isabella Willison had 2 daughters Marion and Laura. Laura married Robert Taylor and they live in Regina Sask. 5 kids-3 also living in Regina-Al(me), Ron and Debra. David is in Windsor Ont and Sandra in Mankato US.
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The was also another Willison boy in the family but he died in Birmingham by an accidental shooting when he was about 9. I think his name was Ernest.
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Hi Sandra: Was there a link to the Passenger list of the Sicilian that brought over the Willison family on Sept 10, 1919? I thought there was a link originally in your post but it appears to be gone. Would it be possible to post the link again? Thank you! Al Taylor
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Hi Janey,
Just seen your message, no I didn't know there was more information LOL - thank you and thank you everyone for helping me.
Sometimes I can find things on Rootschat and other times I go round and round in circles and can't get to where I was LOL
Kind regards
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Hi Janey,
Just seen your message, no I didn't know there was more information LOL - thank you and thank you everyone for helping me.
Sometimes I can find things on Rootschat and other times I go round and round in circles and can't get to where I was LOL
Kind regards
:) :) Think we all go round in circles at times :) :)
Regards
Sandra
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Hi Sandra: Was there a link to the Passenger list of the Sicilian that brought over the Willison family on Sept 10, 1919? I thought there was a link originally in your post but it appears to be gone. Would it be possible to post the link again? Thank you! Al Taylor
Hi,
Welcome to RootsChat
Here is a link to the Sicilian Passenger List - starts line 17
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2HGZ-DBS
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-62P9-2HR?i=21&cc=1823240&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3A2HGZ-DBS
Sandra
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Hi Al,
oops, I had to rewrite this when I finally saw the "(me)" in your first post!
Ordinarily it's advised (in fact, it is a rule) not to put personal info (names, locations) about living people on the boards here.
You can edit that post to remove the info about your other family members. I might just say something like "James and Isabella Willison are my grandparents".
Since you have now added the minimum 3 posts, you can send it to cranstone privately. It sounds like you're family of cranstone's friend, so hopefully you will be in touch. :)
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cranstone -- glad you found all of Sandra's other info, eventually!