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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: temiro tawa on Monday 06 August 12 22:26 BST (UK)
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Hello Kiwi Girl, I've been watching your postings for a while and see that your pretty good at this stuff. Wondering if you could help this kiwi guy rookie. If you have nothing better to do. If you want to pass that's O.K. as well.
My fathers line is Cook. I'm trying to gain ANY info on any of his line. I have my grandfathers brother, William Charles C born abt 1901, in Western Super Mare, Somerset. he came to N.Z. for a while but it seems took off. He may have left a wife and 3 kids...who are they? read below..... from the Cambridge museum....
In 1933 Harold Keytes bought his farm in Te-Miro from the lands and surveys department. The farm had been advertised in the New Zealand Herald as 178 acres, no fencing, no water supply and ragwort infested having changed hands twelve times after the first world war.
One of it's owners was ....Bennet, and another .....WILLIAM COOK, brother of HURLSTONE whose family in 1995, were still farming in Maungakawa Road. WILLIAM was an ex British Navy man who, with his service endowment, settled until his wife and three children left him, when he abandoned the property and set sail for England. His navy influence is evident in the porthole windows featured in the homestead.
I have come to a wall with the Cooks, I have a tree on Ancestry.com and will invite you as a guest if it helps.
Tawa
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You would do better to make a stand alone post for William - the chatters on the NZ board are fan-jolly-tastic at ferreting stuff out. So if they see him, they can help ;)
This chap may be the wrong age for 'your' William
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0phr/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0phs/
but interesting none the less
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Hi Tawa, and welcome to RootsChat, ;D
Kiwi Girl's suggestion is a good one. I'll split off your post and create a new topic.
Hope you get lots of answers.
Spades
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Hi Tawa,
There is this marriage
1925/4816 Viola Louise Sporle to William Charles Cook
Do you know when William came to NZ?
Is this his birth
Births Mar 1901
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
COOK William Charles C Axbridge 5c 439
Axbridge is in the county of Somerset
Cheers Janette
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Hi again Tawa,
Have you tried to find him by looking for his brother Hurlstone COOK?
If Hurlstone's family were still farming in the area as late as 1995 some descendants should still be around (unless this is your direct line).
Spades
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Here is Hurlstone's marriage
1922/6393 Louisa Caroline McMillan to Hurlstone Cook
Cheers Janette
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Yes, Janette, .......that is his birth. 31st March 1901, Western Super Mare, Somerset. He may have emmigrated with Hurlstone around 1910-1914, there is a record of a H.Cook departing Newcastle for New Zealand in 1913. The record has the correct birth year for Hurlstone. William was around 9 years younger so may have come later.
To Spades.... I have Hurlstones Marriage, and children.
I don't have William Charles marriage. Or anything apart than the fact that he lived in Cambridge, New Zealand for a time.
British Navy has drawn a blank for me.
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Hi again Tawa,
Have you tried to find him by looking for his brother Hurlstone COOK?
Spades
Died in 1959 aged 66 buried at Hautapu Cemetery, there is another Cook, with the name Hurlstone as a middle name in 2003 at the same cemetery and another with the middle name at Hamilton Park Cemetery 2004. As there is probably issue with these last two will not put there names on the board.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0phw/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0dkr/
Cheers
KHP
Edited Oops, sorry posted at the same time as you did
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Told you they were good!
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when he abandoned the property and set sail for England.
Tawa
Just wondering if he did return to England, maybe a new thread on the England Board. What do you say Spades?
Cheers
KHP
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Hi Kiwihalfpint, Thankyou. I checked both of those out and they are 2 of the sons of Hurlstone.
Which still leaves me scratching my head.
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Hi Tawa
1928 - Waikato Supplementary Roll
COOK - William Charles Chancellor - Te Miro - farmer
This is the only listing I can see for "William C.C." (and his full name doesn't actually show up on the index).
That he is on a supplementary roll, usually indicates a "newcomer" to a locality (so possibly WCC had recently arrived in NZ ? )
[1928 : Hurlstone COOK and wife are also at Te Miro but appear on the main Waikato roll. ]
~ Lu
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The 1925 NZ Marriage given earlier (to a Viola Louise SPORLE) is not the William Charles COOK you are looking for.
[That man was an engineer, and lived mainly in the greater Wellington area. ]
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UK Marriages
Of course he may not have married using his full name (or even in the UK for that matter), but the following seems a possibility ?
Marriages - MAR - 1926
COOK - William C.C.
WHITE - Ivy E.
Reg'd. Bournemouth
(Bournemouth & Christchurch - Hampshire, ENG. )
[or -- William C.C. COOK - Rose LONEY - DEC - 1922 -- reg'd Pontypridd (Wales) ]
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Nice work Lu :D Since Lu has provided the third middle name, I came across this little snippet.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0phy/
Cheers
KHP
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Nice work - you too, KHP. Good find. :)
~ Lu
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Mmm ... this passenger departing NZ for UK (a with a link also to Bournemouth ?? )
Per "Rangitiki" - Arrived London, September, 1933
Mr W.C. COOK - retired - aged 32 years
Proposed address in UK : 109 Richmond Park Road, Bournemouth
.... and, accompanying him ...
Master W.H. COOK - aged 2 (looks like ?) years.
~ Lu
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UK Marriages - MAR - 1926
COOK - William C.C.
WHITE - Ivy E.
Reg'd. Bournemouth
(Bournemouth & Christchurch - Hampshire, ENG. )
Hi Tawa
I think the above marriage is most likely.
In 1911 the COOK family (parents Josiah and Emma and children) are living in Bournemouth (Christchurch reg'n district). ;)
~ Lu
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... also on ...
1928 - Waikato Supplementary Roll
COOK - Ivy Joan Elizabeth - Te Miro - married
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Hmm ... just looking further at electoral rolls, and this "Ivy Joan Elizabeth COOK - married" is still listed as living at Te Miro up until 1954.
Hurlstone and wife Louisa (Te Miro) are listed on same rolls and in 1954 the wives of Hurlstone's sons are included. There is no "match-up" of a husband for Ivy J.E. in any of these listings. ??? [At present can't see a re-marriage or death for Ivy J. E. ]
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... that is his birth. 31st March 1901, Western Super Mare, Somerset. He may have emmigrated with Hurlstone around 1910-1914, there is a record of a H.Cook departing Newcastle for New Zealand in 1913. The record has the correct birth year for Hurlstone.
William was around 9 years younger so may have come later.
Hi Tawa
From the "findmypast" website (emigration - index only) :
COOK - William Charles C.
Born: 1901
1926 - travelling from London to Sydney, Australia
[Not able to determine from the index, whether he had a wife with him on that voyage. ]
~ Lu
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Just returned home from work to find your posts Lucy. I could kiss you. flipping over all this new info for me.... Your a beaut! You too KHP. that proves to me he was in the navy , and it does look like it was with the marine engineers, so the wellington link may have some truth to it possibly.
Also found this.....below. so It seems he was still with the Royal Industrial marines on his way back from India in 1924, then headed off to New Zealand.
UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about Whilliam C C Cook
Name: Whilliam C C Cook
Birth Date: abt 1901
Age: 23
Port of Departure: Bombay, India
Arrival Date: 12 Jun 1924
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ship Name: Caledonia
Search Ship Database: View the 'Caledonia' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Peninsular & Orient Steam Navigation Company
Official Number: 102390
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It seems he was still with the Royal Industrial marines on his way back from India in 1924
Hello...
I read the following as discharged in 1923...
British Library: Asia, Pacific and Africa Collections
- Royal Indian Marine/Navy
- Indian Navy Officers' Service Statements
- COOK, William Charles Chancellor Sub-Lt IOR/L/MIL/16/5/320 1921-1923
Source: Archives UK - Name Search
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search/name_search.aspx
I have been wrong before :-) so you could always ask a fellow rootschatter for a British Library look-up.
Rootschat - Library and FHS Lookups
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,150.0.html
Admittedly, knowing the exact year of discharge is not that important but the Service statement may have other details of interest.
... the Royal Industrial marines
What source gave you the word "Industrial". Am curious if that's a mis-transcription of Indian.
Regards
Beg
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Sorry, Industrial was a goof up.
Now I'm curious about William's kids, What happened to Ivy and the kids? still in New Zealand?
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Now I'm curious about William's kids, What happened to Ivy and the kids?
Hi again...
The following link seems to list the COOK births found on the BDM NZ Births fiche. The seven births registered in Cambridge in the 1927 to 1935 period may be the children of William and Ivy or of older brother Hurlstone and his wife Louisa. Six of the births have Hurlstone as a middle name.
Do you know the names of the children of Hurlstone COOK and his wife Louisa, apart from the two already mentioned by KHP. Will help with elimination.
http://www.angelfire.com/ga3/gretasplace/Resources/BDMs/Cook/Cookb1.txt
Regards
Beg
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I have my grandfathers brother, William Charles C born abt 1901, in Western Super Mare, Somerset. he came to N.Z. for a while but it seems took off. He may have left a wife and 3 kids...who are they? read below..... from the Cambridge museum....
In 1933 Harold Keytes bought his farm in Te-Miro from the lands and surveys department. The farm had been advertised in the New Zealand Herald as 178 acres, no fencing, no water supply and ragwort infested having changed hands twelve times after the first world war.
One of it's owners was ....Bennet, and another .....WILLIAM COOK, brother of HURLSTONE whose family in 1995, were still farming in Maungakawa Road. WILLIAM was an ex British Navy man who, with his service endowment, settled until his wife and three children left him, when he abandoned the property and set sail for England. His navy influence is evident in the porthole windows featured in the homestead.
Hi Tawa
Haven't to date, been able to find anything further for Ivy (and any children).
But re: the above information you gave earlier, do you have any idea who may have furnished the Cambridge Museum with these details ?
[Somebody obviously knew William during his brief stay, and that he had a wife and three children ... ]
If the person "Ivy Joan Elizabeth COOK" was indeed the wife of William C.C. COOK, then she was living in the Te Miro area for a good many years (seemingly alongside of Hurlstone COOK and his family) ???
[PS : Is your COOK line, through Hurlstone ? ]
~ Lu
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Mmm ... this passenger departing NZ for UK (a with a link also to Bournemouth ?? )
Per "Rangitiki" - Arrived London, September, 1933
Mr W.C. COOK - retired - aged 32 years
Proposed address in UK : 109 Richmond Park Road, Bournemouth
.... and, accompanying him ...
Master W.H. COOK - aged 2 (looks like ?) years.
~ Lu
1931 - COOK - William Hurlstone - birth reg'd Cambridge
... may be the child (aged 2) who travelled who travelled with the above Mr W. C. COOK ??
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Per "Rangitiki" - Arrived London, September, 1933
Mr W.C. COOK - retired - aged 32 years
Proposed address in UK : 109 Richmond Park Road, Bournemouth
.... and, accompanying him ...
Master W.H. COOK - aged 2 (looks like ?) years.
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1931 - COOK - William Hurlstone - birth reg'd Cambridge
... may be the child (aged 2) who travelled who travelled with the above Mr W. C. COOK ??
Hi again...
The passenger list info supplied by Lucy certainly seems to fit in with the 1931 birth registered in Cambridge.
So the next step would be to find the name of William COOK's wife and mother of his son. You could purchase a birth certificate printout of the 1931 birth. This will give the mother's name, age, maiden name and birth place.
To purchase the birth certificate printout you need the child's name, year of birth and folio number, all found on the "angelfire.com" website mentioned in reply #24. Then phone BDM NZ at 0800 22 52 52, give them the birth details plus your credit card details and Bob's your uncle (or hopefully Ivy's your g-grand aunt).
It will cost NZ$20.40 for the printout but will add some certainty to your searching.
This is assuming you agree with the guesswork that "Master W.H COOK aged 2 years" is the son of "Mister W.C COOK aged 32 years" and that "Mister W.C COOK aged 32 years" is your William.
At the end of the day it's your money I'm spending :-) so caveat emptor
Regards
Beg
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Big Thanks to you all. :)
I did know the names of the 3 sons of Hurlstone, Richard, Noel & James.
So the other 4 names with Hurlstone, Pamela 1928, June 1930, William 1931, and Peter 1933, I take it are the children of William and Ivy. I will dig deeper on this.
Noticed Mr W.C. Cook arrived in London in Sep 1933, before or after the birth of his 4th child, but obviously did not want to stick around. Does the 3 following master W.H 1931 , mean born in the 3rd quarter?
in the " angelfire.com " birth Reg
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Hi Tawa
Mmm ... I'd just found this on the Incoming Passenger lists to UK, shortly before you posted. ;D
From: Wellington NZ, to London, UK
Per "Rangitiki" - Arrived: September 1934
COOK
- Mrs I.E. - 27 years - d/d (domestic duties)
- Miss P. - 6 years (bc 1928)
- Miss J. - 4 & 1/2 years
- Master P. - aged 1 year
Intended address in UK : 109 Richmond Park Road, Bournemouth.
[Still puzzled about the " Ivy Joan Elizabeth COOK - of Te Miro" who remained on the electoral rolls for all those years ? ] :D
~ Lu
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Does the 3 following master W.H 1931 , mean born in the 3rd quarter?
in the " angelfire.com " birth Reg
Yes. ;)
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Maybe the story about WCC's wife leaving him was incorrect ? ;)
[Ivy and the children in 1934, were destined for the same Bournemouth address as given by William when he departed in 1933. ]
~ Lu
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My God, this just gets more and more interesting. Now I'm switching gears again and searching Bournemouth England for these kids. Great work Lu, big thank you. :) Everybody who has taken time with this posting ...... I appreciate it.
certainly have learned a lot more since posting. Yes, that info about wife leaving him was written in a publication about the Te-miro area. Not sure who supplied the info, but it appears they were ill-informed. I do remember a lot of info in that publication was supplied by the Cambridge Museum.
So by Christmas 1934 Williams family were all in Bournemouth and no doubt having xmas dinner with his mother and father, Josiah and Emma. Must say I am pleased there is a happy ending to all this. Now I must get on to what the rest of Josiah's kids got up to. want to keep going Lu???
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Hello "temiro tawa"
As a Waikato ite I read your thread with interest. Your profile gives no indication of your location, but if at all possible I would recommend that you make contact with Erris PARKER at the Cambridge Museum.
Earlier this year when I found out a Northland woman wanted to visit her roots in the Waikato, she took up my suggestion before coming down, and Erris was prepared for her visit to the Museum, the Hautapu Cemetery, and properties of of interest near Cambridge. The added info Erris supplied was the making of the trip.
Erris's research for the Cambridge Museum is very well respected, and as you are researching within living memory, Erris should be able to suggest people with knowledge of Te Miro's history whom you could make contact.
Likewise I would expect that the Te Miro Primary school would know of a person or two whom they call upon for the history of their area. Children's talks etc.
All the best.
- Alan.
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Have had some luck with the family.
William Charles Chancellor Cook did indeed marry Ivy Joan Elizabeth White, in the 1st q of 1926.
England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005 about William C C Cook
He then left England for N.Z. on 22 April 1926.
UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 about William Charles C Cook
Back to England in 1933
passed away 2 q of 1977
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006 about William Charles C Cook
also found info on his oldest daughter Pamela and her marriage.
still fishing for more...............