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Wow we sure all love Papers Past ;D
Have started a new thread, we had hit 21 pages 8) ;D :o
So keep up the posts and suggestions and questions for the team at PP, who drop in
Bye
althea
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Hi all - feel like a little diversion? Fancy putting your search skills to work? We've come up with a competition celebrating Papers Past's 2 millionth page - all entries go into the draw to win a Kobo e-book reader.
To enter, email us a link to a Papers Past article featuring your namesake (first name and/or last name and/or full name) - details here:
http://www.natlib.govt.nz/about-us/news/family-history-competition
Entries have started coming in already, I have to stay I've had an absolute blast reading some of the articles linked, there's been some great stuff dug up. We haven't put the details up on the PP site just yet, but I wanted to let you all know directly just in case you might want to enter.
Just thought it was worth adding this here for any who missed it - I blame the bee ;)
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Love the bee kiwi girl ;D
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Hi Papers Past,
In reply#164 of the previous 'Papers Past' topic (page 16) I was asked which of the several newspapers named the 'Guardian' I was referring to when I requested that it be available online.
I have just received confirmation from Hokitika Museum that the full title was the Hokitika Guardian and Evening Star.
By the way, the Hokitika Museum Archivist tells me that they hold issues of this newspaper up to 1940 on microfilm.
Spades
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Hello Papers Past,
I wondered if there are any plans to add the North Canterbury Gazette to the collection?
Regards
leandra
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Hi Papers Past,
In reply#164 of the previous 'Papers Past' topic (page 16) I was asked which of the several newspapers named the 'Guardian' I was referring to when I requested that it be available online.
I have just received confirmation from Hokitika Museum that the full title was the Hokitika Guardian and Evening Star.
By the way, the Hokitika Museum Archivist tells me that they hold issues of this newspaper up to 1940 on microfilm.
Spades
Hi Spades - thanks for the clarification, I'll pass this on, and great sleuthing!
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Hello Papers Past,
I wondered if there are any plans to add the North Canterbury Gazette to the collection?
Regards
leandra
Hi Leandra -
At this stage there aren't - but we can investigate this. Preliminarily, I think a big hurdle might be copyright, due to the date range of the title. I'll raise this in our next selection meeting for you.
Thanks!
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I know it's all, want, want, want.... but I'd love more ODT's maybe up to the 1960s.... or even later... any chance?
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I know it's all, want, want, want.... but I'd love more ODT's maybe up to the 1960s.... or even later... any chance?
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In all honesty, probably not much chance unless there was some big movement in the area of copyright. I'll pass that on tho, you never know...
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Hi Paperspast
A big gap is the upper Coromandel
I just see there are a few editions at National library
A few would be better than non
Title: Coromandel mail.
Publisher: [Coromandel, N.Z. : s.n., 1872?-1882?]
Location: Alexander Turnbull Library, Newspaper Colln
Library holds: 1874:Mar.10-May21<27/11>
1881:Feb.19-Dec.10 (lacks May14?,Jun.4?,Jul.2?,Aug.)<27/11>
1881:Mar.5,12,Apr.23,Jul.30,Aug.13,20,27<332/6>
1881:Mar.5,12,Apr.23,Jul.30,Aug.13,20,27<332/6>
1882:Mar.11<332/6>
Bye
Althea
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Hi Althea,
I think we'll eventually get to a point where we've located all the old issues we can, and we'll have to just put online the best record we have available. I'll bring up the general issue of Coromandel coverage at the next meeting, and the Coromandel Mail as a specific title.
Cheers!
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Hi Althea,
I think we'll eventually get to a point where we've located all the old issues we can, and we'll have to just put online the best record we have available. I'll bring up the general issue of Coromandel coverage at the next meeting, and the Coromandel Mail as a specific title.
Cheers!
That will be great if you can.
Cheers
KHP :)
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Is it true that the NZ Herald will start to gone online from next year?
Cheers Janette
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Is it true that the NZ Herald will start to gone online from next year?
Cheers Janette
Really? Where did you hear that?
Cheers
KHP
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:o Wow my ears pricked up - or rather my eyes went all round and excited when I read your post Janette! :o
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On the other board
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Community/MessageBoard/Messages.aspx?id=805251&topic=40
Cheers Janette
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Is it true that the NZ Herald will start to gone online from next year?
Cheers Janette
If I can qualify that by saying that it might be in about 6 months, give or take a bit in case of the unforeseen, then yes. We quite often have to shift our release schedules around, so please don't hold your breath!
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That will be marvellous wooooooo hooooooooooooo
Cheers Janette
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That will be marvellous wooooooo hooooooooooooo
Cheers Janette
A belated xmas pressie ;D
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Even a little is a great help! Next Stop - the Press ;)
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Hi Paperspast
I know over the years I've asked
but can you give an update on the Thames Advertiser
The Treasury at Thames does have some microfilm, but because its never really been indexed it is very under utilised
The unique thing is if you need a selling point to getting it scanned it seemed to be a much more indepth newspaper on mining matters but also general news. Also BMD notices were either put in one paper and not another..so alot of genies would be very interested if online.
I see national library has some editions from 1870 whereas the microfilm available at some libraries is 1874
Many thanks
Althea
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What is the wren site for Papers Past please
Ringrose
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Hi Ringrose
this is their website
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=p&p=home&e=-------10--1----0--
Cheers Janette
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Hi Althea - we've done some investigating of the title, enough to get to the stage where we could say "digitise it", although we obviously haven't digitised it yet.
So in short, we've done the prep, and now it's a question of finding the resources to do the digitisation work.
On that note, may I bring to your attention this topical announcement - http://www.natlib.govt.nz/about-us/current-initiatives/papers-past-collaborative-newspaper-digitisation-project-2011-2012
We've only just put this up on our main website, so I wouldn't expect that much word would have gotten out beyond librarians up in Thames.
I know that this is a bit of a cheeky segue, but the announcement was so timely to your question that I had to mention it.
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Many thanks
I have just read the docs at that site
So is it a matter of costs? Do you need local libraries to fund the process
Bye
Althea
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So.... could communities raise funds to get it done? Is there a price guide - or do we submit the paper we want and get a quote from you guys?
Just curious ;)
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It is partially a matter of costs, and also a case of wanting to give community groups the chance to drive the material they want through to delivery on Papers Past.
I know that the document refers to "partnership with other collecting organisations", which infers libraries and museums etc - but note that we have collaborated with trust groups previously, and there's no reason why a library couldn't be a proxy in some way for a community effort.
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So.... could communities raise funds to get it done? Is there a price guide - or do we submit the paper we want and get a quote from you guys?
Just curious ;)
My apologies - I didn't really answer your question did I?
We don't have a price guide, or "Menu", if you will, as such. The document linked off that page gives some per-page costs, and we can give you an indication or quote if you would like to suggest a title. If you'd like to get in touch directly (email paperspast[at][/blue]natlib.govt.nz) we can help you out and get the ball rolling. (Replace [at] with @)
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Here's something else for some of you to digest, the technically curious amongst you at least. I hesitate to say "have a play", because it's not strictly play, but you might find the payoff worth it.
The good folk who built the Papers Past platform have built a new image server, and the new image server has some really neat tricks up its sleeve.
Have you noticed that it's a little awkward to save images from PP? If you right-click on an article and "save-as" the image, you often just get part of the image, not the whole thing. This is because the article is actually several images, so it becomes a matter of chance as to which one you click on when you try and save.
Our new imageserver still works like this, but it can also do a few other very handy things - like combining those composite images of articles into a single image, which means that you can ask it to give you nice, single article images, and at whatever size you want.
Have a look at the sample link below:
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/imageserver/imageserver.pl?oid=AMBPA19040112.1.1&area=all&width=700&maxheight=2000&ext=png
Open that link in another browser window, and you'll see a nicely proportioned front page. In that address bar, try modifying that width value of "700" to something larger or smaller and you'll see how this works. The height value can also be played with obviously, if the image cuts off the bottom of a long article.
Conversely, if you modify the text "AMBPA19040112.1.1" with the corresponding string found in the URL of any other page or article (eg ODT18820213.2.8 ) you'll get an image for that page or article instead.
Another example, of a huge long article now saved as one image file instead of many smaller images. If you click on the image it should switch between fullsize and fit-to-screen - and you'll notice that if you right-click on it, and choose "save-as", you'll get one proper image, not just a little segment.
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/imageserver/imageserver.pl?oid=ODT18820213.2.8&area=all&width=300&maxheight=10000&ext=png
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That's a big improvement PapersPast ;D
I see that the file type extn at end can be changed from png to jpg, as well, before saving.
Thank you
John B
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Thanks John, I wasn't sure if people would be interested, but I figured it would be really handy in the case of long articles particularly. Glad to see it might be of some use to you!
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Blank Images on Papers Past Search
I have come across several instances where searching returns a blank page or partial page but seems to show there is an item of interest.
Explanation for this provided by Papers Past
" it looks like the image file we have up on the Papers past site is faulty, so we've logged it for re-processing. Fortunately, the Preservation Master file is fine, so a new copy can be derived from this quite happily.
We really appreciate that you spotted this and let us know - if you come across any more in the future, please send them our way. It is possible that the issue that caused this glitch might have affected other image files on the system, so there might be other instances that we have missed too."
Papers Past are happy to receive other instances from Rootschatters
Signal Hill
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Thanks SignalHill :)
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Hi there, are there any whisperings about digitising the '8 O'Clock'? Apparently it was an Auckland Newspaper until the 1980s...
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Hi there, are there any whisperings about digitising the '8 O'Clock'? Apparently it was an Auckland Newspaper until the 1980s...
Yep, it certainly was.
Cheers
KHP
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Yep,once a week on a Saturday
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Hi Kiwi Girl -
You're the first person to bring that title up. It might be an interesting one for us to tackle in the future, but resolving the copyright issues would be a biggie...
In short, there haven't been any whisperings at our end about this. I'll bring it up as a suggested title for you tho :)
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Hi Kiwi-Girl and fellow lobbyers,
So what was in the '8 O'Clock' that made it so interesting? From an earlier post I thought it might be a sports supplement.
Spades
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Whilst the 8 o'clock was a bit before my time, a quick bit of googling tells of an interesting paper - big for sports results, people waiting outside dairies on saturday evening for the paper to arrive, the occasional photo essay from events and concerts - sounds like quite a colourful read.
How far from the mark am I Kiwi Girl?
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Thats sounds about right,I think it went from 1950 to 1985.
I think all the horse racing results were in it too
Cheers Janette
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That sounds about right from what Mum said too. She said a brawl at the GluePot would have fitted in perfectly among the Rugby / Racing and other Sport results.
I don't know if it was a national paper or just an Auckland one...
I was only put on to it by my neighbour who found out his Dad had been a bit of a lad in the 1970s and was involved in some rough and tumble at the GluePot, we think on a Saturday in March / April 1971. I had a look through the Herald for that time but, as I said, got a bit sidetracked with other interesting titbits...
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Thats sounds about right,I think it went from 1950 to 1985.
I think all the horse racing results were in it too
Cheers Janette
Think you are right Janette cause my friends father was into horse racing. There was always trouble at the "Gluepot" :D
Cheers
KHP
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Not quite sure if it was the 8 o'clock or the Sunday News, but there used to be a competition that appeared weekly in the sports part. They showed a footie picture of a game that had previously been played, and the ball was removed, it was called "Spot the Ball" (I think). You marked the spot where you thought the ball was, sent it in and you could win cash if you were spot on.
Cheers
KHP
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Loved that game, although used to amaze me how they ever determined a winner
must have been many surely!
Althea
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I don't know if it was a national paper or just an Auckland one...
Not national, only Auckland I think. Equivalent in Wellington was the "Sports Post" which came out 8pm Sat with all local sports results of the day. Very popular too. Published in Wellington by the "Evening Post".
John B
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Didn't the Sunday Star take over from the Saturday Star and 8 O'Clock?
Cheers
KHP
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As I understand it, that's correct KHP.
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Dunedin it was Star Sports published by The Evening Star (which eventually amalgamated with O.D.T.)
SH
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I don't know if it was a national paper or just an Auckland one...
Not national, only Auckland I think. Equivalent in Wellington was the "Sports Post" which came out 8pm Sat with all local sports results of the day. Very popular too. Published in Wellington by the "Evening Post".
John B
As a youngster (12 or 13) I used to deliver the "Sports Post" around the Hutt Valley, NaeNae and Taita areas every Saturday night - a great evening for tips, mainly from those jovial characters who had had far too much to drink.
DonL
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I don't know if it was a national paper or just an Auckland one...
Not national, only Auckland I think. Equivalent in Wellington was the "Sports Post" which came out 8pm Sat with all local sports results of the day. Very popular too. Published in Wellington by the "Evening Post".
John B
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Hi everyone -
We have another newspaper selection meeting later this week, and I was wondering if anyone would have any other newspaper titles (in addition to the ones we've mentioned in this forum previously) they'd like to nominate.
Are there any titles you'd like us to start investigating? If so, just reply and let me know.
Cheers!
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In the 1950s there was a newspaper distributed in the Wellington Area in competition with the Evening Post, it may have been The Southern Cross or something similar - I believe it was affiliated with the Labour Party. This may be Worth considering.
DonL
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Thanks Don! I'll pass that on.
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Hi PapersPast,
Thank you for giving us the opportunity to make suggestions ;D
I'd like to see some papers from Golden Bay.
The local GB Museum advises they have the following papers in their collections, but there might be more copies available elsewhere?
The Takaka News 1896
The Golden Bay News 07/05/1908
The Golden Bay Argus 12/3/1908, 19/03/1908
Golden Bay Times - (various dates in quite a delicate nature) 1914, 1917-1920, 1926-1929
John B
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Hi John - those are excellent suggestions, I'll admit bias, I have a soft spot in my heart for the 'bay. It sounds like there might be a bit of need for some preservation work on that material too. I'll bring this up at the meeting. Cheers!
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Newspaper selection ;D did I hear you say...Thames Advertiser :'(
Seriously, is Auckland Weekly News on list of to dos, or are Auckland Libraries doing that
they have so many images in their heritage collection,,but would love more
I spent a few hours this week hunting for Thames and found over 400 names identifiable in photos
there were many great articles, but not always complete.
It seems an amazing resource and the pictures articles seem to cover a wide area of at least the north island
Bye
Althea ;D
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Hi Althea,
The Auckland Weekly News is on the to-do list, but there are a few microfilm issues to solve with that one. However, in more positive news, the Thames Advertiser is getting closer - we've committed to duplicating the microfilms that we have, which is a precursor to getting those films digitised.
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the Thames Advertiser is getting closer
Yipeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cheers
KHP
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Ooooooooooooooh,KHP is very excited ;D ;D ;D
Cheers Janette
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That's very good news
Can't wait till the next lot of papers go live.... ;D :)
DonL
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Hi all,
just to let you know, the next bunch of papers will probably be a few months away yet, I'm not sure if we'll be able to sneak them in for Christmas, so most likely sometime in the new year. The major title in the release will be The Press, so it'll be worth the wait!
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Yay! The Press will be awesome to have online!!!
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Great news. Well done Papers Past staff
Love ya
DonL
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WooHoo, Thanks so much
cheers
newbe
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Another one jumping up and down. :D
Cheers
KHP
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Hi all - quick update time.
It looks like The Press might be able to go online sometime after the new year - I don't think we'll be able to sneak this out for xmas, as much as we'd like to.
Also, shortly we'll be announcing our selections from the Papers Past collaborative digitisation nominations process we ran. I won't pre-empt our announcement, but I know the titles will put a smiles on a few faces on this forum, so there should be something to look forward to there. I'll update you all after the announcement is made in the next week or two.
Lastly, we've done a bit of work on the AtoJs. Aghadowey (forum mod) noticed that long pages were causing his computer to freeze, so we've now divided long reports into 50-page slices, so that they load reasonably, and can be navigated by clicking on "Next pages" and "Previous pages" links.
This means that information in the typically long Police Reports can now be searched - which is great because there's some juicy stuff in there!
http://atojs.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/atojs?a=d&cl=search&d=AJHR1898-I.2.3.2.2&srpos=2&e=-------100--1---bySH---0-AJHR_1898_I_H-
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Thanks for checking in
I've been keeping an eye out incase I had missed anything
Bye
Althea
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No problem! I actually keep this site open all the time in my browser at work, just to keep tabs on things. Feel free to prod me anytime!
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looking forward to The Press and titilated by what else is on the horizon ;)
nice pic insertion Althea :)
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Looking forward to what the New Year brings
Cheers
KHP
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Thanks for that information and for keeping us updated. Very much appreciated by all I am sure.
Looking forward to the new updated pages.
DonL
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Paperspast
Have been meaning to ask
is there any plans to change the search options, or adding a search within
say you may want a phrase "x y" plus z anywhere in the article
sometimes using all words you can still end up with hundreds
I guess if you have any little tricks on searching better, I'm sure we'd all love to hear them
or any other tips on anything to with papers 8)
Bye
Althea
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Hi Althea -
you've actually already cracked it. Search "all words", and try a boolean phrase like:
"bruce thompson" +fire
That should do it. You can refine it further with other boolean arguments, like:
"bruce thompson" +fire -horse
...etc. Just be careful not to refine it too much, as you will get to a point where you have legitimate results ending up outside the scope of your search, a kind of search result collateral damage.
I hope this helps - although it seems you hardly needed any ;)
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Well, it certainly helped me ;D
Thanks for asking, Althea, and reply from PP
John B
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Dohhhh
I never realised that you could use that type of searching here..like at google
If you could know the hours I have spent :'( searching for all terms with out the + or -
what a difference
you are a lifesaver 8)
Bye
althea
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No problem Althea - the only downside is that now we'll lose all those extra pageviews your extra searches were adding to our webstats! I'm sure we'll cope ;) Best of luck, and happy digging.
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Hi all - quick update time.............[Edit]...............
Lastly, we've done a bit of work on the AtoJs. Aghadowey (forum mod) noticed that long pages were causing his computer to freeze, so we've now divided long reports into 50-page slices, so that they load reasonably, and can be navigated by clicking on "Next pages" and "Previous pages" links.
This means that information in the typically long Police Reports can now be searched - which is great because there's some juicy stuff in there!
http://atojs.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/atojs?a=d&cl=search&d=AJHR1898-I.2.3.2.2&srpos=2&e=-------100--1---bySH---0-AJHR_1898_I_H-
Hello and thanks for that info. Along with this tip from my previous research,
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,567861.0.html
who knows what I'll be finding out next.
- Alan.
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Paperspast LOL
I think I just about own the Thames Star!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you see massive page views there
Have been researching a sports booklet plus usual sidetracks...first time events, characters etc
It never ceases to amaze me the wonderful info
I had to laugh, I thought I'd found some early flying club, called "Thames Flying club"..wow I thought..early flight
turns out it was for Pigeons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Paperspast LOL ....[Edit]....
I had to laugh, I thought I'd found some early flying club, called "Thames Flying club"..wow I thought..early flight
turns out it was for Pigeons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hello. Was that at the time of our Pigeon Post Heritage out of Auckland to the Islands ? Late 1890's & early 1900's
http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/auckland-places/3/2
- Alan.
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Hi Alan
Yes, thats the time
In 1900 they had the birds taken to Wellington..imagine how long that would have taken
bless them they flew home in 7hr 19min 50 sec for the winner!!! Wellington to Thames, not a bad effort!!!
Bye
Althea
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Paperspast,
Is the Christchurch Press on your list? I am looking for early 1900's
Mackiwi :)
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Hi Mackiwi - it's on our list and coming up soon, you should see it within the next few months, early-1860's to mid-1910's.
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Paperspast, O dear I was hoping 1923 would be included
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Sorry about that - eventually it will be, but for now the issues up to 1915 are within our means.
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Paperspast, Thats okay, Rome wasn't built in a day either.
Merry Christmas to you all. :) :)
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Hi everyone - we put out a press release last night, which some of you may have seen, but most of you probably haven't yet...no matter! The press release announced the titles we will be putting online across the next 12 months as a result of our collaborative program. These are the titles that are going online that various community groups have nominated, on the basis that they have pitched in to help us with costs.
Keep in mind that there are other titles going online over the next year outside of this list too, and we've already talked about some of those here and there (eg The Press, Thames Advertiser), but I thought some of you might like to see this list as well.
Without further ado, copied from the press release:
Akaroa Mail: ca. 8000 pages from 1921-1939
Lyttelton Times: ca. 3,500 pages from 1862-1865
Manawatu Daily Times: ca. 5500 pages from pre-1900 and from 1906-1908
Manawatu Evening Standard: ca. 8000 pages from pre-1900 and from 1906-1910
Horowhenua Chronicle: ca. 11,000 pages from 1910-1920
Bay of Plenty Beacon: ca. 7000 pages from 1939-1945
Hutt News: ca. 5000 pages from 1934-1945
Northern Advocate: ca. 12,000 pages from 1921-1925 (pending permission from copyright owner)
Waikato Times: ca. 4000 pages from 1872 and from 1887-1892
Westport Times: ca. 2000 pages from 1875-1878
A further two titles will be offered the opportunity to have pages microfilmed over the next six months and then digitised in the following financial year:
Hutt Valley Independent
Upper Hutt Weekly Review
It has been fantastic seeing these papers coming to Papers Past, and I'd like to thank all those people who have ever gone to their local library and hassled asked them to consider putting their material up on PP. We'd love to run this initiative again in 2012, so for those of you keen to see specific newspapers, keep going to your local library and keep hassling kindly requesting that they get in touch with us about digitising their microfilms!
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Cool Bananas! 8)
Thanks PP. Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year.
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Cheers
KHP
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To Paperspast and team
;D
What you have done for research on all levels in New Zealand is beyond words :o
Its easy to become quickly spoilt
I speak mainly for Thames..to be able to sit in the comfort of ones home and research topics is amazing
and I am for ever in your debt
Special thanks
Althea
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Best Christmas present ever ;D ;D ;D
Thankyou paperspast ,your work is very much appreciated
Have a happy Christmas
Barbara
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Merry xmas all - thanks for using and enjoying the site!
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SANTA CLAUS ON HIS WAY TO WELLINGTON.
New Zealand Free Lance, Volume II, Issue 77, 21 December 1901, Page 13, reproduced by kind permission of the National Library of New Zealand.
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Merry Christmas!
I think in the 1960s/70s there were 2 publications that should be considered for the future!
1. In Wellington there was a supplementary to the Evg Post (I think) named the "Sports Post" (?) Every Saturday they had a page or 2 of photos of various social events which had taken place the previous week- I know I have several clippings of "social appearances " in various stages of inebriation which future historians will gloat over! :-[
2. Almost every city had "The PHOTO NEWS " depicting many weddings and identifying those elusive witnesses!
AS I have already appeared as "deceased" because of my name on a younger sibling's headstone by NZ SoG and also appear in National Archives Gateway I'd prefer you wait a decade or 3 for publication of proof of my sinful youth! ::)
Merry Christmas all
Dale
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Nelson Photo News: http://photonews.org.nz/nelson/index.html 1960- 1972
Tairawhiti Museum’s Research Centre holds a complete set of it, in which people of all ages delight in looking at.
http://www.tairawhitimuseum.org.nz/exhibits-galleries/collections/general/
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Nelson Photo News: http://photonews.org.nz/nelson/index.html 1960- 1972
Tairawhiti Museum’s Research Centre holds a complete set of it, in which people of all ages delight in looking at.
http://www.tairawhitimuseum.org.nz/exhibits-galleries/collections/general/
Thanks Helen! What great links - do you know if the Tairawhiti Museum hold many other regional Photo News titles?
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Hi all
I have discussed before my hopeless search technical knowledge
this tip was given on another newslist
for searching via google,,,
the example was for info on W J Suiter 1887 and they added l=m for no maori pages
"W.J. Suiter" 1887 -"l=mi" site:http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz
Well worth playing around with for your own examples
Bye
althea
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Hi Althea,
That is a very useful hint, but I think it needs a little more explanation. ;D
Languages:
To get results showing only pages in Maori add "l=mi" (mi is the operator for Maori)
To exclude pages in Maori add -"l=mi" (there should be a space before the minus sign)
exclamation marks required where shown above.
Sites:
To get results from only one site add site then the URL
e.g. to limit search results to pages from PapersPast.
site:http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz
no exclamation marks required.
These limiting operators can be combined, as in the example shown by Althea.
Hope this helps - and I've not made any mistakes :o
John B
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Thanks JOhn B
I wondered if I had pasted right..wasn't sure about the spaces..so I probably mucked that up
so could you use that site for anything eg like Trove, Aussie papers where ai end up with thousands of results!!
Bye
Althea
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Yep, works on any site.
and by adding the space then - you can exclude any site ;D
Might pay to check here
http://www.google.co.nz/advanced_search?hl=en
John B
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Fan-jolly-tastic!
Learnt something new already for this year... oh no, hope I haven't peaked too soon...
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Hi everyone -
I thought I'd let you all know that we've just made available some new AtoJs content - 60,000 pages worth, including many returns lists full of names. Hopefully there should be a few tidbits in here to tide you over until the upcoming Papers Past release comes online - enjoy!
http://atojs.natlib.govt.nz
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Wow
i think its a matter sometimes of searching Ajhr's by a topic
this one is postmaster s and staff 1881
http://atojs.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/atojs?a=d&d=AJHR1881-I.2.2.4.2&pg=51&e=-------10--1---byDA---0cornes--
eg for Thames seems to give all staff!!
Bye
althea
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Only found one of mine mentioned for the Thames 8) Thanks Althea :)
Cheers
KHP
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Hi all - good news!
The first 50 years of The Press, from 1861-1915, is now live on Papers Past. This is thanks to the assistance of Christchurch City Libraries, who helped us out with this. In addition, we've also released the Maoriland Worker, which covers 1910-1024 - happy digging!
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;D
I can't imagine how we managed before
It is amazing how this initiative has opened up history/research to people all around the world
Thankyou
althea
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Thank you for letting us know about "The Press" Can now do a bit more searching
Cheers
Newbe
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Not as elegant and wonderful as Kiwigirl - but thanks a million.
I am sure there will plenty to dig up from these new (old) records
DonL
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Hi everyone. It's a really interesting title, I notice that in the early 20th Century issues, it often has a lot more pages than the Evening Post of the same period, which I think is going to translate to more results. However it covered a population base of a pretty similar size, so I'm not quite sure what that means in terms of genealogy implications.
I'm really interested to know what you all find in the pages compared to other papers on the site - if you get a moment, let me know if you spot any interesting tidbits or have any observations!
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Hi all - good news!
The first 50 years of The Press, from 1861-1915, is now live on Papers Past. This is thanks to the assistance of Christchurch City Libraries, who helped us out with this. In addition, we've also released the Maoriland Worker, which covers 1910-1024 - happy digging!
Hello PP - looks like a lot of DIGGING to me. The joys of proof reading your own copy. It always trips me up.
- Alan.
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It's great having an obscure publication, the Maoriland Worker, on PP. Who would have thought that such a publication existed.
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Hi Papers Past,
going back over this post, you mention the restrictions placed on your ability to digitize newspapers by copyright, and am wondering whether you could explain this, i.e how long a period this usually applies. I have often used the Wellington paper the Evening Post, it's fantastic that it goes up to 1945, is this the benchmark or could you possibly digitize beyond this date?
Cheers,
Craig.
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Hi Craig -
I just drafted up a detailed reply and then decided that it looked too much like a letter from a lawyer. Pardon me if I spare you the boring details and cut to the chase:
We sought the approval of Fairfax to reproduce the Evening Post material up to 1945, so it's worth noting that this is a negotiated benchmark rather than a simple date-cutoff/expired copyright situation. We always want to respect the rights of the copyright holders so that we can build future options through having good relationships with them. It's entirely possible that we could reproduce material after this date if we are able to secure the approval of the relevant copyright holders.
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Hi Craig.
I too was interested in the reply from PP. I recently looked into PP once again to check out titles, then decided the clipping I had, must have been from the UK.
The diary noted the name Philip GIBBS, and the DAILY CHRONICLE, in 1918.
Thanks to RC we now know he was a War time correspondant. The question now is was he on staff, or free lancing as I'm lead to believe it has an impact on copyright, should we decide we want a "proof copy" of the clipping.
The opinion, as expressed by a UK, RC member being:-
"Copyright on newspaper articles is either 70 years from UK publication if he was staff (which is long gone) or 70 years from the death of the author, if he was freelancing......."
- Alan.
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Hi...
Just following the interesting conversation and wishing I had relatives in NZ so I could look them up on PapersPast ;D ;D ;D
Milly
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Hi Milly,
We are very lucky with Paperspast
Cheers Janette
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All those little snippets we never knew about :D
Cheers
KHP
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Hi...
Just following the interesting conversation and wishing I had relatives in NZ so I could look them up on PapersPast ;D ;D ;D
Milly
Well, it's always possible that you might have relatives that you don't know about... ;)
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Hi Craig.
I too was interested in the reply from PP. I recently looked into PP once again to check out titles, then decided the clipping I had, must have been from the UK.
The diary noted the name Philip GIBBS, and the DAILY CHRONICLE, in 1918.
Thanks to RC we now know he was a War time correspondant. The question now is was he on staff, or free lancing as I'm lead to believe it has an impact on copyright, should we decide we want a "proof copy" of the clipping.
The opinion, as expressed by a UK, RC member being:-
"Copyright on newspaper articles is either 70 years from UK publication if he was staff (which is long gone) or 70 years from the death of the author, if he was freelancing......."
- Alan.
Hi Alan -
I believe it's similar over here, with 75 from publication and 50 from date of death of the author, but this doesn't necessarily fall along the lines of staff vs freelancers.
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So we are lucky to get some papers past 1937, the 75 year cut off point as per the previous post; hopefully other papers will waive copyright so we will get more relatively recent records of our rellies.
Craig.
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Craig
Although not specific to Paperspast
but there are lots of groups that are indexing papers and even at Index NZ you will often find lots of material to follow by this method
plus all the NZSG groups that have BMD indexes/newspaper clipping projects.
Bye
Althea
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Not sure where I should be putting this response or even if the paper has already been mentioned, but if we can't have THE OTAGO DAILY TIMES, could we PLEASE have more of
THE OTAGO WITNESS.
Would just love to have more from the Otago region.
Fingers crossed!!!
Minniehaha.
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Hi Minniehaha,
Request noted! Just an additional note on the Otago Witness: from the early 20th century it started to include quite extensive photographic supplements, and this could prove to be one of the best sources of images of people from the Otago area of that period. We are investigating whether we could scan this material in greyscale as opposed to the normal 2-colour black and white scanning that we use for Papers Past, because this will give those photographs quite good quality, assuming we can get good-quality microfilm in the first place.
I'm hoping we see some genealogical results from those images - that would be just fantastic to see.
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Thank you for noting my request re The Otago Witness. Yes, I am aware of the photographic content of the later editions and any improvement in the reproduction of these would be much appreciated as the quality of those to which we now have access, leave much to be desired when comparing them to the original photographs.
I still live in hope that you may yet be able to extend the range of the Otago Daily Times. (PLEASE!)
Kind regards,
Minniehaha.
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Hi
Just wondering, and yes I know I have asked before, but I would be interested to know, if there would be any chance of the Oamaru Mail becoming available anytime soon, and like minniehaha live in hope of the Otago Daily Times becoming available.
jericho
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Hi both -
I don't think more issues of the ODT will be coming to Papers Past this year (well, you never know, but it's unlikely) - however we definitely haven't forgotten about it, we're working on it. The Oamaru Mail is a bit deeper in the to-do pile than the ODT at this stage unfortunately, sorry Jericho. We've actually done a bit more (at this stage) on the North Otago Times, which served the Oamaru area, so I hope this is of some consolation.
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Hi everybody -
We've got the next batch of Auckland Star coming online soon, we haven't confirmed the exact launch date, but it is very close. The new data goes up to the end of 1926, I'll post here when it's live. It looks like it's going to be quite a hectic year for releases for us, particularly in the next few months. Enjoy!
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Wonderful ! will certainly be on the lookout for that one and any more ... and many thanks again to PP x
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Thanks PP :D Will certainly be looking forward to that one. :)
Cheers
KHP
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Grateful thanks, PP and your wonderful team. :)
Ooooh .... new releases - (even more exciting to some of us, than Christmas presents ! ) :D
~ Lu
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Hello Papers Past.
A BIG thank you from me too. Days on end in libraries pooring over print and film, under flickering fluorescent lights, that my eyes object to, are rapidly becoming a thing of the past. GREAT !
Access in short bursts, from the comfort of my home, suits me.
- Alan.
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Hi everybody -
We've got the next batch of Auckland Star coming online soon, we haven't confirmed the exact launch date, but it is very close. The new data goes up to the end of 1926, I'll post here when it's live. It looks like it's going to be quite a hectic year for releases for us, particularly in the next few months. Enjoy!
Rocking ... :)
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Great news - and many thanks for this fantastic resource
DonL
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Hello Papers Past.
You may like to review the indexing for the clip below. Search Subject "John HANKS" auto indexing should probably have read "John BANKS"
- Alan.
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Hi ALan
I'm sure we all find similar examples everyday..but correction is not part of the process
Paperspast, has a system like the Australian Trove ever been considered where corrections could be made?
Bye
Althea
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Well said Althea
paperspast beats Trove in my opinion- I'm just grateful to have access to such a wealth of information :)
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Hi Fresh Fields -
Looks like the optical character recognition has missed a letter there. This does happen quite a bit, due to typographic errors/bad fonts/ink spots/etc, ultimately because OCR is imperfect in allowing for these things. It's enough to provide a pretty serviceable search facility across the texts, but it does have errors. However, this leads me into Althea's question...
We have indeed been investigating a way to correct these errors for a while. We've tested a system, it works just fine, but we've had a lot of other work on our plates that has delayed this. I'm a bit embarrassed, because I was hoping we would have been able to deliver this by now - we get so many emails about it, and it is something we've been talking for a while.
It will happen. It will!
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Hello all.
As per first post of mine to the thread, I LOVE PP and the ease of it's search engine to use. The HANKS/BANKS thread addition, was not intended as a criticism.
As I was about to go out the door, it was easier for me to post a link here to be picked up by Goggle, than to hunt for a contact address for PP on the off chance, that they had a manual way of adding another search link to that copy, with an alternative indexing reference.
From what I have seen to date, PP has been more successful with character/type identification, than that seen on some other leading Archival sites.
Keep up the good work.
- Alan.
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Have been meaning to thank the person..who way back somewhere here suggested using 'snipping tool' for taking snippets from paperspast (and anything!)
I discovered it was part of vista addons..it is a lifesaver.
So thankyou ;D
If you haven't used it google will easily find it
Bye
Althea
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Hello Anthea.
Your snipping tool comments were of interest, so I went looking for the discussion.
With my memory not being as sharp as I would like, I copy everything that comes to hand, and have taught myself by trial and error, how to copy/cut and paste. Then transfer to an old photo editing programme [PA] that is on my old computer. In this programme I can edit and over print, and save in various formats and sizes. If copy and paste does not work, I screen dump and then edit to the content I’m interested in and over print with a source credit, so that the original copy can be acknowledged and the original found again, if I can not find my saved copy.
What I found most interesting was the post clarifying the issues of copy right and TERMS OF USE as clipped below. I must put my hand up as being as guilty as most with the lack of a detailed study of the terms of use copy.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,591626.10.html
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Re: Cut & Paste articles from online newspapers?
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 11 April 12 07:02 BST (UK) »
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Some people are getting confused between copyright and terms of use (which is a contract, far more onerous, easier to enforce and claim compensation when breached).
The site which hosts the images has terms of use attached, by accessing the images one is agreeing to comply with the terms of use.
If one "takes a screenshot" that is a breach of the terms of use copyright does not come into the equation.
Cheers
Guy
END OF QUOTE
And another thread:-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,583146.0.html
Interesting reading for those wishing to save old images from the print media.
- Alan.
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Ohhhhhh makes sad reading..lock me up now :'(
I thought it was to good to be true
Please paperspast drop back in soon and let us know
is it okay to use the product 'snipping tool' or are screen shot captures illegal
Many thanks
Althea
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The ISSUES as per the PP website.
Cut and pasted without permission.
Copyright and reproduction statement
This website is copyright to the National Library of New Zealand Te Puna Mātauranga o Aotearoa. All use of information from this website must be acknowledged appropriately, and permission must be sought before copying any images, programs, and so on from the website.
For information about copyright and reproduction of digitised material available through this website, see the Copyright Guide.
Copyright guide
The Papers Past website provides access to digitised copies of historical New Zealand newspapers. This copyright statement relates specifically to the digitised newspaper content on Papers Past. Additional information about specific papers can be found on each newspaper title page.
Material on this website has been provided in good faith for users by the National Library on the basis that:
• the newspaper publications provided from the 19th and early 20th century are out of copyright
• in most cases digitised copies replace microfilm versions previously provided to the public
• for more recent newspaper publications (up to 1945), permission has been sought from the publisher to reproduce the material on this website
Duration of copyright in New Zealand
A significant amount of the content on Papers Past is out of copyright. In New Zealand, where an author or publisher cannot be identified and it can be reasonably assumed the author died 50 or more years ago, copyright has expired.
As a guide, it may be reasonable to assume copyright has expired for newspaper items published more than 100 years ago, and that they are therefore available to be copied and republished without permission.
Where the author or publisher can be identified, in New Zealand the copyright term is the life of the author plus 50 years. For works that are still in copyright, permission from the copyright holder is needed before copying or republishing the works, with the exceptions of fair dealing for criticism, review, research or private study.
If you are a rights holder and are concerned that you have found in-copyright material on our website, for which you have not given permission, or is not covered by a limitation or exception in New Zealand law, please contact us for a copy of our takedown procedure.
Reproducing material from Papers Past
If you copy or republish material from this website that is out of copyright or for which you have gained permission from the copyright holder, we kindly ask that you acknowledge the National Library of New Zealand as the source of the information. If the material is republished online, we would appreciate a link to where you found the information on this website.
This copyright statement does not constitute legal advice, and the National Library of New Zealand is not responsible for any loss or damage caused as a result of following it.
Find out more about copyright terms and legislation
Find out more about copyright terms and the public domain on the DigitalNZ website.
Learn more about New Zealand copyright legislation: New Zealand Copyright Act 1994.
- Alan.
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Hi Fresh Fields/Althea -
I'm just on my way out, but I can give you some quick comfort regarding screenshots etc...
Just as a general guide, aside from copyright, you won't get in any trouble for snapping screenshots if:
- Your use of the material is for personal study or non-commercial
- you attribute the material (eg, Grey River Argus, 12 June 1874, page 4)
- you acknowledge the source of the material (National Library, Papers Past)
And especially if:
- you provide a link back to the PP article if you're doing this online.
We love it when people use our material. If you're unsure because your intended use is slightly different to the above, or just if you want to be thorough, email paperspast[at]natlib.govt.nz and ask. If your usage is along the lines of the above, go forth and screenshot!
I hope this helps. I have to dash now, but I'll pop back in later, because I know that this is an incomplete picture and some of you might want something more definitive.
Cheers!
Emerson
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Hello Fresh Fields
So John Banks was in the news in 1877 also.
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Just an FYI - the new Auckland Star material is live now!
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Cool one, Off to have a look
Newbe
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Just an FYI - the new Auckland Star material is live now!
Woo Hoooooo ...xmas has come early :)
Cheers
KHP
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:)
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Thank you ;D
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You're very welcome. I'll pass on to the rest of the PP team that there are some happy genies in this corner of the internet :)
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Oh yes, one happy person here, had a picture of rellie up on page :)
Cheers
KHP
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Wow auckland Star amazing news coverage for thames
and my poor old Cornes' who usually get hardly any results...57 and 2 photos!!!
a long night ahead ;D
Bye
althea
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I've actually found a lot of stuff in this batch of Auckland Star on my great-grandfather's return from Gallipoli, it's been absolutely fascinating.
What's doubly fascinating for me is that while I've always considered myself more of a technologist than genealogist, the more I use the site, the more I can see the genealogy bug taking hold...
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;) Aha ... it can get addictive when you start making actual connections ... good find!
I've gleaned a couple of new snippets too ... thanks again!
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Hi everyone,
just a minor update - good news and bad. The bad news is that we're "experiencing technical difficulties" in broadcasting parlance, so if you're browsing the site tonight you might need to refresh the page if it looks like it's taking a long time to load, because otherwise it will just keep you waiting. I'm hoping we get this solved pretty quickly.
The good news is that we've got another batch of papers for you all, not too far away at all. Stay tuned! I hope this suitably makes up for the current "technical difficulty" situation :-)
Emerson
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Hi Emerson
LOL you drop us info to keep us on our toes wondering whats next!!!
WE can't wait for the next batch/releases ;)
Bye
Althea
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Hello again.
And here's me still cross checking the Auckland Star releases to see if I or the Auckland Library's old card indexes have missed any material, of significance, to our early Auckland pioneers. Got 66 hits for the first name I tried, and still got more names yet to go, when I can set aside the time.
What amazes me is the standard set by the text recognition programme you are using. While it sometimes miss translates, I've had a hit or two for printed copy that was so poorly inked, that I would have thought, you would have needed the human eye, to recognise the type/word.
Researchers, world wide, continue to hold up PapersPast as the bench mark to be comparing their local service by, and also add "and it's free".
Thanks PP.
- Alan.
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Hi all - there's new content available on PP now. Enjoy!
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Thank you PP .... off for a gander :D
Cheers
KHP
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Wow! thats putting it mildly ;D
More Waikato Times :D ..............Many thanks PP
Barbara :)
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Hi everyone - just a quick note to let you all know that we've just updated the http://atojs.natlib.govt.nz collection - the site now goes all the way up to 1930. Additionally, there's another Papers Past content release coming up very soon. Phew....it's been a very busy month for our team!
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LOL, just when we think we are done..more good news 8)
I'm like a broken record with the Atoj's, telling people to check them
so much info, lots of surnames but so great for background on towns and events
Especially relevant for things to do with goldfields, land transfer etc
Lots of new info for Thames hospital..must go looking now....
;D
Althea
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Hi all - good news, our first run of NZHerald (1863-1884) and the third installment of Auckland Star (taking it up to 1945) are now both live on the site. Enjoy!
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz
Boy, it was hard to resist the urge to shout that one from the rooftops. Huge thanks to the good folk at Auckland Libraries and APN who collaborated with us on this.
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Thank you, this has made my day. 8)
Cheers
KHP
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Well done to PP. Will go see if I can find anything new ;D
Newbe
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Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o
no need to say more..as the others said apologies we have somewhere to go asap
NZ Herald here we come
Bye
Althea 8)
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I have found plenty ..... one very happy person.
Cheers
KHP
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Best Birthday present EVER ;D ;D ;D
Thankyou pp
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Well, happy birthday to you! I didn't know how to wrap the gift sorry ;)
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(http://bzupages.net/attachments/13270d1265696007-newspaper.gif)
So fan-jolly-tastic! Thank you all so much for your hard work!
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Well what a crazy night
the auckland star is proving amazing
tonight found about 10 more Thames nurses, one Thames trained Nurse who died in POW camp WWII
Part below from Auckland Star 6/10/1945 (http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=AS19451006.2.108.1&srpos=705&e=--1927-----100-AS-701-byDA-on--2thames+hospital--)
in between that so many family marriage, death notices, coroners reports.....etc
This was sure a popular paper and covered the news going on throughout the Thames Valley area
Phew..
Bye
Althea
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Does anyone have any tips on how to improve the pictures found on papers past
just altering brightness and contrast doesn't work
anything else that can be done?
Bye
Althea
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Hi Althea -
the images are comprised solely of black and white pixels, there's no in-between grey, so playing with contrast and brightness unfortunately won't do anything. We might be able to get better quality images off the microfilms, so if you let us know what images you're after I can look into this. Just send me a list of links to the PP versions and we'll work from that.
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Hi all - you may or may not have noticed that we're experiencing issues at the moment. Our DNS is having issues, so the site is up one minute and then down the next. I'll post updates over in http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,606557.0.html if anyone wants to stay in the loop - I'm really sorry about this, but our staff are working on this as I write and I'm hoping we'll have this sorted relatively quickly.
Righto, I'm off to tend to many, many emails. Drop me a line if you want to get in touch -
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Hi all, as per Spade's request on the outage thread, I'll put the update here.
It's fixed!
Some people might still experience a few further issues that will resolve as network caches update around the country/world, but this will resolve by itself sooner rather than later.
Sorry for the problem everybody, thanks for being gracious about it!
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Thanks for all the hard work behind the scenes - we do love the Papers Past!
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_nH5E6mclu3o/SKyFDJmHlTI/AAAAAAAABf4/nSm-KQAjMpw/s400/Kertesz+Blimey)
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Having Papers Past as a resource has changed the face of my family research.
Thank you for this.
What chance of the Cromwell Argus and the Southland News making an appearance
Adair
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The first twenty-one years of "The New Zealand Herald" are to be released on Papers Past today, according to an item in today's issue of this newspaper.
The period covered is to be from 1863 to 1884, comprising 50,000 pages. It is the first of a planned release of papers through to 1945.
Minniehaha.
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Topic merged with existing thread.
Spades
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KG are you shouting for Gold for this? ;D
Cheers
KHP
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NZ Herald 1863 - 1884 was added in June or am I missing something
Could be too many late nights ??? ???
Newbe
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Yep it was added in June Newbe
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Thanks KHP ;D
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Not sure Newbe, but that's what the report in today's NZ Herald says.
Minniehaha.
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Hi everyone - just an FYI for you that all going well, we should have a new batch of papers going online around midday tomorrow NZT, including the early years of The Dominion.
Normally I don't say exactly what or when we're releasing in case we miss the date, but we're pretty stoked about this release so I thought I'd share.
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Thank you PP, something to look forward to.
Cheers
KHP
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Fantastic news, Papers Past, thank you for letting us know in advance. ;D
Congratulations to you and your team.
Spades
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What excellent news - a cuppa and a browse, the perfect lunch ;)
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Mmmmm... might have to close the office door and pretend I'm marking essays
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Hi all - the new content is up now :) I'll pass on the kind words to the team!
Best not to let those essays build up too much eh Marrel?
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Woo hoo!
And Althea will be thrilled ;D
Thanks, Papers Past team.
Spades
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Thanks for extending The Press to 1920.
Will do some reading later
Thanks so much PP team
Newbe
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;D 8) ;D
what more can one say
Paperpast team rule!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thames Advertiser her I come ;)
Bye
Althea
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Oh Wow ;D
Te Puke Times - off to look for my Harris family.
Thankyou pp ;D
Barbara
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Thread closed
New posts to Part III please
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,611884.0.html
Bye
Althea