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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Izzy on Tuesday 24 May 05 21:11 BST (UK)
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Hi everyone I am looking for some of my mothers family
Martha Rossini emigrated as a young woman about 1890 and
married Charles Webster somewhere near Sidney.
In 1928-9 Mary Rossini her great niece went to Sidney to join
Martha and her family.Mary Rossini was my mums half sister
and I have just been told today there may be more family
in Australia Antonio Rossini with wife Isabella nee Porter.
Also Elizabeth MALLEY and James Malley all born Glasgow
Scotland.I would really appreciate any help as Ive been looking for quite a long time
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Hi Izzy
I found the following rossini's on the National Archives - website. They were born in Glasgow, Scotland so therefore maybe connected with your family.
WW1 - enlisted 1916
John Lawson Rossini - age 25 - electrician
Antonio Rossini - age 28 - Fitter
Mother aroline Rossini is listed as their next of kin. Her address was Elizabeth Street, Toowong, Brisbane QLD
WW1 - enlisted 1917
Charles Rossini - age 34 - Shop Assistant
Wife Agnes is listed as next of kin. Address given as "Dundrennan" Gerler Street, Rosalie, Brisbane QLD
You can request for their records to be digitised and placed online.
http://www.naa.gov.au/the_collection/recordsearch.html
Also familysearch - has a birth record for Martha Abercrombie ROSSINI born: 4th November 1860 Calton Glasgow lanark Parents: Phillip ROSSINI & Elizabeth JOHNSTON
In the 1881 census FHL 0203640 Ref Vol 644-3 Page 19
Martha is living at 49 McIntosh Street, Barony, Lanark with her father Phillip and stepmother Julia. Julia's children Alex, Julia and James McNEIL.
Cheers
Genni
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Hi Gennig
On 1861 there is
Antonio Rosine[Rossini]age 38
Isabella wife age 39
Antonio 12
Barbara10
John 5 [my ggrandfather]
Charles 11
Martha 2 [my mum thinks this is aunt Martha]
Also
1879 Charles Rossini marries Caroline Stirton Blackfriars
1900 Antonio Rossini m Isabella Porter Dennistoun
in 1881 census charles and caroline have one child margaret 1
ChARLES AND JOHN BROTHERS WITH SISTER MARTHA.
It means gennig my mum got mixed up with whos who until
yesterday maybe reaching 80 has brought her memory back
thanks again gennig Izzy
John Rossini had son Henry1885 married sarah Green in1905
had children Jessie,Maryand John.
In 1920 Henry had children with Jeanie Watson Henry,william
and Isabella[my mum]Henry died 1940 same day his divorce
came through so Henry and Jeanie never married
would love anyone to know this family THANKS Izzy :) ;D
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Izzy
Found the following in the QLD indexes.
Jessie Clingan WEBSTER born 3/8/1892 ref: 1892/B050945
Parents: James WEBSTER & Martha ROSSINI
Isabella Rossini WEBSTER married James William SPENCE 20/5/1903 ref: 1903/B002591
Children: James John SPENCE born 11/9/1905 ref: 1905/B010947
Mavis Frances SPENCE born 19/4/1908 ref: 1908/ 003065
Charles ROSINI married Agnes Brown TAGGART 23/12/1914 ref: 1914/ 003281
Queensland index only goes to 1914.
But at least you know they are there and not Sydney NSW.
Cheers
Genni
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You can access Qld births to 1919, deaths to 1959 and marriages to 1939 on fiche at libraries, LDS centres etc.
Trish
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Thankyou Trish will try it Izzy
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Izzy
Found the following in the QLD indexes.
Jessie Clingan WEBSTER born 3/8/1892 ref: 1892/B050945
Parents: James WEBSTER & Martha ROSSINI
Isabella Rossini WEBSTER married James William SPENCE 20/5/1903 ref: 1903/B002591
Children: James John SPENCE born 11/9/1905 ref: 1905/B010947
Mavis Frances SPENCE born 19/4/1908 ref: 1908/ 003065
Charles ROSINI married Agnes Brown TAGGART 23/12/1914 ref: 1914/ 003281
Queensland index only goes to 1914.
But at least you know they are there and not Sydney NSW.
Cheers
Genni
I think that could be them as I have here
Jessie Rossini marries william Clingan 28 dec 1866 bLYTHSWOOD
MAYBE Jessie is there too. Thanks again gennig your great
Izzy
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Izzy
There is a Jessie Rossini Wilson CLINGAN marrying John Adam CRAWFORD 2/2/1905
Ref: 1905/B003716
Queensland indexes.
Cheers
Genni
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Hi again genni
Thankyou once again Ill have a look tonight see what Ican find
Im going to my caravan for a few days so Iwill get stuck in to
it when I get back.
Do you still think marie rossini married to c brazier could be our
mary rossini.
I cant believe you have found so many Rossini and names
connected to them.
A BIG THANKYOU
Izzy
Hi all Im back from hols so if any one recognises any of these names why not send me an email.thanks Izzy
Gennig hi
Just to let you know I ve sent 2 emails to R H Burden to ask
about Clarance s Brazier had no reply as yet . thanks Izzy :-\
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Hi everyone
Does anyone belong to these names?
Jessie Rossini born Glasgow wed William Clingan 28/12/1866
children I know of.
Jessie Rossini Wilson Clingan she wed
John Adam Crawford ?
also
Isabella Bishop Clingan born9/11/1868.
Jane Paton Clingan dob 28/12/1871
William Clingan dob 18/10/1867
Antonio Rossini Clingan dob 21/7/1874
Martha Rossini married James Webster ?
known children
Jessie Clingan Webster dob 3/7/1892 died1949 age 56
Isabella Rossini Webster dob ?wed James Wm Spence 1903
children
James John Spence dob 11/9/1905
Mavis Francis Spence dob 19/4/1908 died 1945
Jessie and Martha are sisters there brother John Rossini
was my g grandad my grandad was Henry Rossini my mum
is Isabella [Isa]Rodgers nee Rossini.More to come feel free
to add or get in touch.
Izzy[Isabel]
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Izzy,
My Name is Ian Clingan and I have just joined this site having been given info from another researcher.
I am in contact with relations in Glasgow who are directly connected to the Clingan/Rossini line. I am also distantly related.
If you still require info just shout be happy to oblige.
I have Williams line and am in contact with descendants in Glasgow. Also John Clingan & Agnes Bennet line which is in Australia. I am through Andrew's line.
I'm also interested in the immediate relations who went to Australia
Regards
Ian Clingan
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Hi Ian
Jessie and Martha Rossini were my grandfathers aunts,did William Clingan have a funeral directors in Glasgow I was suprised to have a reply after all this time I was sort of giving up,
Ian do you live in Aus ? I have a lot of info reguarding my Rossini line as thats my mums maiden name so I would love any info on both the aus and scots sides of families it may fill in lots of gaps and if you need to know anything just let me know if I can I will gladly help.
Isabel
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Yes to the funeral directors - however there was a falling out between the brothers and only one continued in this line of work.
Live in Inverness.
Get back to you with various bits, including WW1 deaths.
Ian
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Hi Ian
I forgot to ask you if you know of Mary Rossini she went to aus from Glasgow in
1929ish she was sponsored by Martha Webster and later married but I cant find out who her husband is or where she lived.
My mum remembers going to visit the Clingans with her dad when she was young but she couldnt remember how they were related until I found them on LDS,Ive gone back to the first Rossini who was born Italy but again I cant find out where in Italy he come from or his parents so Ive been a bit stuck as to were to go next.Thankyou for your offer of help and I will look forward to hearing from you.
Isabel
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Izzy
This is the straight up and down Clingan/Rossini line as I have it.
John Clingan m Jannet Todd
b. 1703 1711
d. 1794 1798
Pipercroft
Kirkpatrick Durham
John Clingan m Grizal Glover
b: 1727 1727
d. 1806 1826
Stone Mason
Pipercroft
Kirkpatrick Durham
John Clingan m
b. 1772
d. 1853
Stone Mason
1. Martha Heighle
b. 1769
d. 1802
2. Janet Wilson
b. 1786
d. 1862
Kirkpatrick Durham
2. William Clingan m Jean Paton
b. 1813 Kirkpatrick Durham
d.1891 Glasgow
Master Looking Glass Maker
William Clingan m Jessie Rossini
b. 16 Dec 1843 28 Dec 1845
d. Nov 1907 23 Jan 1922
Antonio Rossini Clingan
b. 21 Jul 1874
d. Nov 1916
Wounds received WW1
Jessie Rossini Wilson Clingan m Jack Crawford
Australia
(Besides last three brothers and sister there is another four siblings known)
Charles William Clingan m Christine Ashworth
b. 12 Oct 1921
m. Iran 1957
No Issue
Sent private message
Regards
Ian
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Izzy,
Though I was looking at William I know that Antonio Rossini Clingan, his brother was killed during WWI.
However, it would appear that he was married and had at least one son named after him. I have no details of this marriage but will see what I can find - unless you have details.
I have just found this entry of entry to the USA where it appears the son emigrated to. It might be of interest to you.
Regards
Ian
First Name: Antonio Rossini
Last Name: Clingan
Ethnicity: Gt. Britain, Scotch
Last Place of Residence: Glasgow, Scotland
Date of Arrival: Aug 28, 1910
Age at Arrival: 36y
Gender: M
Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: California
Port of Departure: Glasgow
Manifest Line Number: 0007
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Izzy
Though I was looking at William Clingan and knew of the Clingan/Rossini tie up, and also was that Antonio Rossini Clingan had been killed due to wounds received WW1 I didn't know any other details.
It would appear he was married prior to his death and there was at least one son named after him.
I found these details of entry into the USA of that son as a single lad.
See what I can find re parents.
First Name: Antonio Rossini
Last Name: Clingan
Ethnicity: Gt. Britain, Scotch
Last Place of Residence: Glasgow, Scotland
Date of Arrival: Aug 28, 1910
Age at Arrival: 36y
Gender: M
Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: California
Port of Departure: Glasgow
Manifest Line Number: 0007
Regards
Ian
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Hi Ian Happy new year to you and yours
Ian
Iknow its late and Im not very alert today but when was
Antonio who died in 1918 born?
I take it the Antonio [2] in usa 1910 was william and jessies son as he would have been born in1874 in Glasgow.
I have a list somewhere with every Clingan surname on Glasgow 1901 census I will look it out see if there is 2 Antonios which will be interesting to know it also might have a mother for the son.
I will get back to you tomorrow too late now.
Bye for now
Isabel
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Izzy,
The person mentioned is one and the same. Combination of old age, severe cold and brain out of gear.
Unfortunately the manifest doesn't indicate whether he is a passenger or crew but he is given as being single and just a few years later he's killed in WW1 - what a waste.
On the strength of it I would tend to favour him being a passenger. Reasoning behind that is that if he was crew he would have had seamanship skills that would have kept him in Merchant Navy during WW1 or into the Navy but he ended up in the Army. Stranger things have happened but.............
will see what my lot know about it.
Did you get that other stuff I sent and was it any good?
Ian
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Hi Ian
I was going to ask you about Charles Clingan who you sent details on was he william and jessies son and why marry Iran?
Isabel
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Charles Rossini Clingan m Marion Calder
b. 30 Jan 1886
m. 4 Jul 1911
d?
Charles William Clingan m Christine Ashworth
b. 12 Oct 1921
m. Iran 1957
Charles (Charlie) William Clingan educated at Allen Glen’s school Glasgow and Royal Tech. Not interested in funeral business and became an engineer working overseas
In Iran, Africa, Lebanon, Malaysia as well as UK. Met Christine in Iran whilst teaching at the Overseas School. Now lives in house at Lenzie where Charlie grew up in —not far from Torrance.
Have current address at Lenzie
Ian
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Hi again Ian
Sorry I took so long getting back to you,how many children did william and jessie have all together?
I have just found something strang,I was looking on 1901 census info for Clingans and there is no Charles Clingans at all in the whole of Lanarkshire there is one william who would be right age [61] living at Dennistoun.
Isabel
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Izzy
Attachment sent private e-mail.
Ian
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Hi Isabel
Janet Turner sent me a link to your posting on Rossini. My father was Charles Rossini Lawson Maclachlan. He came to Australia with his parents, Walter Burgess Maclachlan and Margaret Stirton Rossini, arriving in October 1911. They lived in Brisbane, Queensland Australia mainly in suburbs such as Toowong, Rainworth, Bardon area. Margaret Stirton Rossini was the daughter of Charles Rossini and Caroline Stirton. Charles Rossini was the son of Antonio Rossini and Isabella Bishop.
I am steadily working through my ancestors and currently auditing each generation so that the information of dates of birth, marriage and death are recorded and where possible validated by certified copies of relevant certificates. I have trees on both Ancestry and MyHeritage and would be willing to send you an invitation to be a guest on the trees. The audit is being conducted on the Ancestry tree after which I will merge it with the MyHeritage tree.
the basic information I have is as follows:
Charles Rossini Lawson Maclachlan DOB 18 May 1907 Preston, England, Married Margaret Kant Russell 17 Apr 1933, Died 29 Nov 1974
Margaret Stirton Rossini DOB 24 Feb 1880 66 Edward Street Glasgow, Married Walter Burgess McLachlan 1 MaR 1906 Died 10 Sept 1956
Charles Rossini DOB 17 Jan 1857, Married Caroline Stirton 5 Jun 1879, Died 6 Feb 1935 in Queensland
Antonio Rossini DOB about 1824 Glasgow, Died 18 Oct 1865 in Glasgow
If you would like copies of anything I have please let me know. Equally, if you have any information that may assist me to maintain an accurate tree please feel free to contact me.
Brian Charles Maclachlan
Australia