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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: JoTH on Monday 30 July 12 21:29 BST (UK)
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I have found Alice Tulip on FindMyPast (but don't have membership) buried in 1785 in Newburn. I wonder if anyone is able to find out any further details - an age or husband would be what I'm after.
Many thanks
Joanna
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Hi
She lived at Lemington and was buried 21st Oct 1785, Newburn, St. Michael & All Angels. No age give. She was the daughter of William and Sarah.
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Not mine then - back to the drawing board!
Thanks Groom
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A shot in the dark as you gave no other info for Alice;
Burial;
Alice TULIP,
17 November 1834, St Andrew BT, Heddon on the Wall, Northumberland
Age 100,
Abode Heddon Poor House
File No 21648
(age may be out as she was in the Workhouse)
A SAMUEL/ALICE Tulip has these Children christened in Northumberland;
MATTHEW 13 June 1784
THOMAS, 28 Jan 1787, Father a Weaver
JAMES 01 Aug 1790 same occp
(Source of all records FreeREG www.freereg.org.uk)
Abode is also on Records.
Also on Familysearch;
Marriage;
Samuel TULIP
Alice GREEN
14 May 1770, Billingham, Durham
If the correct Marriage then there must be other Children born c 1771-1783
Trish :)
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Other Children are under TUDOP christened Ovingham;
JOHN 17 April 1771
ROBERT 09 Aug 1772
SAMUEL 25 Dec 1774 (buried 01 July 1776, Son of Samuel/Alice)
SAMUEL 12 Oct 1777
WILLIAM 21 Oct 1779
FRIEND 14 April 1782
Source FreeREG
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That certainly could be Alice. She was born in 1746 in Durham and that is the correct marriage in 1770 with all the children. :)
However I'm struggling with the fact that the last two children born, James and Thomas have Samuel as coming from Nesbit which is 55 miles away from where everything else took place and I also have a baptism for him in Ovingham. Also the fact that those two baptisms have him down as a weaver but I've got him as a pitman (just can't find my source where I got that info from at the moment!).
Samuel died in Heworth in 1829.
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Nesbit was the place they were residing at the time of those Christenings not where they were from.
Matthew Tulips1784 christening has Families abode as Fulans Moor and Friend Tudops in 1782 as Fowlan's Moor so definitely the same Family.
As to change of occp if you have other info of it, I suppose if you had all those mouths to feed you took what work was available at the time :)
What a great age Alice made it to.
(no Telegraphs from the Queen in those days!)
Trish :)
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Thanks Trish
I haven't found the evidence yet that I thought I had for him being a coalminer but as you say maybe he took what work he could.
Joanna
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Hi Joanna
I am another descendent of Sam and Alice and I can help you with the Nesbitt problem. Fowlans Moor was slightly North East of Harlow Hill and Nesbitt Hill Head is a farm between Harlow Hill and Ouston on the road to Stamfordham. This area is close to the border between the parishes of Stamfordham and Ovingham, which I think explains the baptisms in 2 parishes. Durham County Council web-site has a good old map feature which allows you to go back in time to see where Fowlans Moor was, unfortunatley the modern aerial photo is blocked because it is now Ministry of Defence land (Albemarle Barracks).
I think that Sam was a hand weaver (possibly of linen ) but for his sons that may not have been an option due to the industrial revolution, hence their move down river to the mining and manufacturing centres.
Incidently I found a record of an accidental death of a Samuel Tulip age 86(sic) on the |Heworth Wagonway in 1825 (Newcastle Courant July 25 1825).
Hope this is of some use
Ellen
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Hi Ellen/Joanna,
You may already have this possible;
Samuel TUDOP Christened 28 June 1741, Stamfordham, Northumberland
Father JOS Tudop
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Ellen - thanks for that info - makes more sense that he was from Nesbitt Hill Head rather than Nesbitt up near the Scottish border.
I have just come back from the northeast and went to Ovingham and was able to see the close proximity of various places where the Tulips came from. I was rather disappointed that I only found one Tulip buried in St Mary's Ovingham and he wasn't mine!!
I'm intrigued that you are descended from Samuel and Alice and wonder how we might be related. I'm from their son William 1779. Have you gone back any further? I found Samuel's parents John & Jane and then John's father Samuel but not his mother. Happy to exchange any info if you wish. I have Samuel's death in Heworth but in 1829 from DRO age 87. Wonder if they might be the same and a mistake been made in the date.
Trish - thanks for your info - I can't find a Joseph that early in my tree but who knows I may not have all the sibling info.
Joanna
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Hi Joanna
Yes my descent is via Sam's son another Samuel b1777, he married Dorothy Barron in Newburn in 1804 and was in Heworth by 1812. Samuel and Dorothy's 6th child Robert b 1820 Heworth was a waterman on the Tyne, and married Isabella Parkin. They had 15 children including 2nd son Samuel b1840(confusing). This Samuel and his wife died young in 1872 leaving their 4 young children including my gt grandmother Isabella to be brought up by Robert and Isabella.
I had Samuel (1746) as the son of John but I have seen trees which name his mother as Jane Hall b 1685. It is possible that J&J married in 1720 and started a family in their late 30's but Samuel was born in 1746 when Jane was 61, if she was only 20ish when she married it might be more credible (if only those pesky parish records put in more detail)
Ellen
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Hi Ellen
I've found myself questioning now whether Samuel was John & Jane's son!!
However I have found a couple of births for Jane Hall in Stamfordham in 1693 and 1700 both father's being called Robert (which is also the name of their first born).
Although there is no concrete evidence at least that would make her younger for having Samuel late in life. I wonder given John's age whether it might have been a second marriage. I'll search further!
Joanna
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Hi Joanna
Yes , if Jane was significantly younger than John it all makes much more sense.
I also have to apologise , I put the wrong date on the Newcastle Courant Inquest report.
Newcastle Courant Sat July 25th 1829
Inquest held on Wed on the body of Samuel Tulip. On 25th ult. he was going upon the wagonway at Heworth with a bundle of sticks on his back and was run down by the waggon. He lived until Tuesday last. He was 86 years old and very deaf. Verdict Accidental Death, deodand 5s.
So, the initial accident was on the 25th June, he died 21st July(Tue) and the inquest was 22nd July (Wed).
That would suggest to me that his injuries may have been relatively minor and that he didn't die of shock or blood loss, but if bedfast for a month he could have died of pneumonia or some other complication.
Isn't it fascinating to know that our many times great grandfather was very deaf!
Ellen
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Hi Ellie
Very interesting! I suspect you're right about dying of something like pneumonia which seems to be a common killer in elderly people particularly in previous centuries.
I have found out a bit more about Jane Hall although it is via family search user submitted trees and obviously they are not always correct. Jane Hall born 1693 to Robert Hall and Jane Milbourn, must have died because there is also a Jane born in 1700 to the same couple both registered in Stamfordham.
Joanna
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That certainly could be Alice. She was born in 1746 in Durham and that is the correct marriage in 1770 with all the children. :)
However I'm struggling with the fact that the last two children born, James and Thomas have Samuel as coming from Nesbit which is 55 miles away from where everything else took place and I also have a baptism for him in Ovingham. Also the fact that those two baptisms have him down as a weaver but I've got him as a pitman (just can't find my source where I got that info from at the moment!).
Samuel died in Heworth in 1829.
Hello
I'm not sure if I'm late to the table on your ancestral research but Fulans Moor was also the residence of my ancestors. It is certainly shown on the 1864 1:10,560 map of Northumberland as Fewlands Moor. An earlier map, dated 1859 also shows Fewlands Moor as a small farmstead, about 3/4 mile nrth east of Harlow Hill. My x5 great grandfather, George Snowball, lived and raised his three children there from just after his marriage in Ovingham in 1786. The baptism record of his first child, Mary, in 1787 has the following "Oct 7th, Mary, daughter of George and Mary Snowball of Fulans Moor."
It's possible to just make out the ruins of the farmstead on Google maps and we got within a few hundred meters of it when we visited the area but it sits on M.O.D. land, so access is restricted.
I'm not sure how useful this is but you never know!
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Thanks Snowybeatle, any info is always useful and interesting, however late - mind you I did have to reread the thread!
What a lovely name your greats had "Snowball" :)
Joanna