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Title: bellingham
Post by: amberoo on Monday 30 July 12 21:00 BST (UK)
Can someone advise me where I can look at parish records from 1700- 1750 for Bellingham and Simonburn. I  am thinking of visiting Northumberland to try and trace some of my ancestors. Are the records kept at Woodhorn only or are there any kept nearer to Bellingham.

Thanks
Amberoo
Title: Re: bellingham
Post by: JenB on Monday 30 July 12 21:06 BST (UK)
The original registers are kept at Woodhorn.
There are some transcripts at Newcastle Central Library.

For some strange reason it seems there are also some Simonburn transcripts at Tyne & Wear Archives.

http://www.genuki.bpears.org.uk/NBL/Bellingham/ChurchRecords.html
http://www.genuki.bpears.org.uk/NBL/Simonburn/ChurchRecords.html

There are also transcripts at Hexham Library.
Title: Re: bellingham
Post by: candleflame on Monday 30 July 12 21:06 BST (UK)
This is the link for the Genuki pages.
http://www.genuki.bpears.org.uk/NBL/Bellingham/ChurchRecords.html

http://www.genuki.bpears.org.uk/NBL/Simonburn/ChurchRecords.html
Title: Re: bellingham
Post by: candleflame on Monday 30 July 12 21:08 BST (UK)
Snap Jen :)
Title: Re: bellingham
Post by: JenB on Monday 30 July 12 21:10 BST (UK)
For some strange reason it seems there are also some Simonburn transcripts at Tyne & Wear Archives.

Correction - these are only indexes to marriages & baptisms.
Title: Re: bellingham
Post by: dolly dimples on Monday 30 July 12 21:39 BST (UK)
   Have you looked at the family search site, B.M.Ds  are on there and on the whole are pretty good.
                                 Dolly
Title: Re: bellingham
Post by: JenB on Monday 30 July 12 22:44 BST (UK)
   Have you looked at the family search site, B.M.Ds  are on there and on the whole are pretty good.
                           

Bellingham records aren't on there, and those for Simonburn only start at 1816 - Amberoo is interested in 1700-1750.

Added I assume you meant the Bishops Transcripts?
Title: Re: bellingham
Post by: c-side on Tuesday 31 July 12 02:06 BST (UK)
Freereg have baptisms and burials for this period for Bellingham but not Simonburn.

Christine
Title: Re: bellingham
Post by: 2zpool on Tuesday 31 July 12 22:38 BST (UK)
Fiche Lady has Simonburn 1681-1851 CMB's as transcripts.  The more specfic as to name and when the better for my eyes cause they are hand written.
I only have Bellingham in RC  and URC records roughly 1794-1925 depend on which religion.

Janis
Title: Re: bellingham
Post by: amberoo on Tuesday 31 July 12 23:33 BST (UK)
Hi 2zpool
Your last post said that fiche lady has bishops transcripts for Simonburn. My ancestor was from Bellingham which I understand was part of Simonburn. I have not been able to obtain bishops transcripts as far back as 1700. Can you advise if there is any way I would be able to obtain them

thanks
amberoo
Title: Re: bellingham
Post by: 2zpool on Tuesday 31 July 12 23:41 BST (UK)
Not BT's--a transcript of the parish records made by someone else.  You can order the fiche from NDFHS.. There is an index available to this fiche set.  What is the name and possible date?  You will probably still need to look at the records but better if you know it is there or not--and when.

Janis
Title: Re: bellingham
Post by: amberoo on Tuesday 31 July 12 23:50 BST (UK)
I am trying to link a Christopher Elliott born to William Elliott on 7 Jan 1704 at Stackhill farm to a Christopher Elliott born at Stackhill farm on 25 Jan 1743 whose father was also William.  It is this William that I cannot trace as there are several Williams in records for Bellingham and Simonburn.  I cannot trace any children born to the Christopher (dob 7/1/1704) and was thinking that maybe there are some records missing. The fact that the names follow on through the generations and they lived at the same farm suggests that they are linked
Amberoo
Title: Re: bellingham
Post by: Gen List Lass on Thursday 02 August 12 08:16 BST (UK)
Just yesterday at Woodhorn I picked up some photocopies I'd ordered previously.

Percy Hedley's genealogy, pedigrees and notes on the Elliott family. Seem to remember Shortflatt being mentioned because I looked it up on the NBL Farm Index.

Let me look at the copies and I'll post again later today.

Gen in NBL England
Title: Re: Bellingham Registers 1700's
Post by: Gen List Lass on Thursday 02 August 12 08:21 BST (UK)
Early 1700's in Bellingham parish - BEWARE. I seem to remember there are TWO versions of the parish registers. Also there is a 10 year gap which is infuriating as it's exactly where I need the info!

Drop an email to Sue Wood, the County Archivist at Woodhorn, she knows the pitfalls of Bellingham and the surrounding area. Find contact details on their webpages or phone them if you are in UK.

Another good contact is Dr Ian Roberts who is allied to the Bellingham Heritage Centre but he's a very busy man and an email might not get to him.

Gen in NBL England
Title: Re: bellingham
Post by: Gen List Lass on Friday 03 August 12 18:48 BST (UK)
I've had a look at my Elliott photocopies and here is the gist.

"in 1676 William Elliot of Watergate and Cuthbert Elliot of Stackhill refused to render customary services and payments to Dame Mary Charlton"..............William Elliot of Watergate's son was Thomas Elliot and his grandfather was Thomas  and his father John........1715 "Cuthbert Ellot of Stackhill and John Ellot of Brownsleazes both voted in respect of their freehold of Stackhill"

"in the register of the Hesleyside estate 25 April 1770....Christopher Elliott of Stackhill"

There is a long paragraph in the style of who beqat who at Stackhill thereafter at Wark, Moathill and Kirkfield.   1740-1780

I suspect there is an actual pedigree at Woodhorn, I'll have another look when I am next there.

Gen in NBL England
Title: Re: bellingham
Post by: amberoo on Friday 03 August 12 22:51 BST (UK)
Hi Gen
thanks so much for this information -My son and I will probably visit Woodhorn on Wednesday 15 August. We are going to visit bellingham on Tuesday and then stay overnight before going to Woodhorn. If you can give me any further advice which will point us in the right direction at Woodhorn to find the information we need I would be grateful .

Thanks once again
Amberoo
Title: Re: bellingham
Post by: Gen List Lass on Wednesday 08 August 12 16:51 BST (UK)
Checked again at Woodhorn for any ELLIOTT pedigree - nothing. I checked both the Rev. Hodgson's pedigrees and Percy Hedleys pedigrees and notes.

Grr...

What I also checked was the 1764 Militia List for Bellingham/Simonburn - have a look at them! As near to a census of the able bodied men in the county as possible. Even some of the lame and sick were listed only to be crossed off again:-)

Gen in NBL England
Title: Re: bellingham
Post by: amberoo on Wednesday 08 August 12 17:08 BST (UK)
Hi
Thanks Gen for the information. maybe our William was still alive on the militia list although he would probably have been in his 50's. Do you know which 10 years are missing in the Bellingham records. We are still going to visit Woodhorn next Wednesday although I fear that we may have a wasted journey. At least we can see the area where our Elliotts lived.

Denise
Title: Re: bellingham
Post by: Gen List Lass on Wednesday 08 August 12 22:41 BST (UK)
I've just phoned a friend who is also searching for early Bellingham records.

The Woodhorn archivist got out the originals to show her what had become of the Marriages 1767-1777, so nibbled away that they had been conserved onto a larger page. Only the centre of each page was left intact and mostly illegible... sad.

Don't know about baptisms and burials for that period, possibly in a seperate book.

Not as early as my memory told me.... Best to ask the archivists when you go and stress that you only have very limited time to be there.

Hope you have already registered or at least downloaded the registration form so you can fill it in beforehand and go straight upstairs to the Search Room. You will need ID too on your first visit...... or they won't let you in :-)

Gen in NBL England
Title: Re: bellingham
Post by: belfordian on Tuesday 25 August 20 13:04 BST (UK)
I am trying to link a Christopher Elliott born to William Elliott on 7 Jan 1704 at Stackhill farm to a Christopher Elliott born at Stackhill farm on 25 Jan 1743 whose father was also William.  It is this William that I cannot trace as there are several Williams in records for Bellingham and Simonburn.  I cannot trace any children born to the Christopher (dob 7/1/1704) and was thinking that maybe there are some records missing. The fact that the names follow on through the generations and they lived at the same farm suggests that they are linked
Amberoo