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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: stethomson on Thursday 26 July 12 15:33 BST (UK)
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Hi,
If I am expecting there to be, in my family, a Henry Walker who married a Jane English, and the closest I can find are the following marriage index entries:
Henry Walker
Date of registration: 1847
Registration district: Banbridge
Volume: 2
Page: 351
Jane English
Date of registration: 1846
Registration district: Banbridge
Volume: 2
Page: 435
...are these likely to have been the two in question? I suppose my question is whether the fact that there is a 1 year difference in registration for each of them, and that they appear in different pages of the same volume, means they could / could not have been married to each other? If they could have been, I can try ordering the certificate from GRO Roscommon.
Thanks.
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those two references do not relate to the same marriage. For a possible match you need the same registration district, year (and quarter if there is one), volume number and page number for the bride and groom - i.e. on the same page of the marriage register.
for notes on ordering certs see :
Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,599538.0.html)
Shane
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Hi,
I cannot find your Walker/English marriage but the two which you found in Banbridge were:-
1846 Thomas Hutchinson and Jane English, !847 Henry Walker and Margaret Russell.
Regards
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Foiled again :) These two are proving an elusive pair! I'll keep trying and report back with anything further.
Thanks both,
Stephen
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I've also failed to find a marriage between a ? Walker and ? English. So, some questions...
Exactly what information do you have?
Where did you get the name Henry Walker and wife Jane English?
Are you sure the marriage took place in Ireland? (I also checked FreeBMD and got no reulsts for England and Wales)
Were they supposed to have any children? (dates and places might pinpoint the marriage)
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I'm not sure where their marriage took place at all.
The information I've got is from their daughter's marriage and death certificates - Annie Templeton Walker. Her marriage certificate (13/07/1872, St. Anne's Church of Ireland, Belfast) states her father as Henry Walker (Carpenter), it doesn't list her mother. Her death certificate (08/09/1914, Govan, Glasgow) states her father as Henry Walker (Farm Labourer) (Deceased) and her mother as Jane Walker, M.S. English (Deceased); although the informant on this death certificate is Annie's son, John Thomson, who I suppose might have mixed up names or not known real names. This is possible as he is also the informant on his father's death certificate, where he lists his (paternal) grandfather as John Thompson, whereas his father's marriage certificate (probably more reliable for accuracy) lists that person as Hugh Thompson.
What I'm not sure if is what to do if, for example, Jane's maiden surname wasn't English at all... how do you go about finding the "real" name/person?
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P.S. Especially when no census returns are available for Ireland at this time.
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So, looks like the name Jane English might not be accurate.
When was Anne Walker born? do you know of any siblings born 1864 or later in Ireland? or even better any born/married in Scotland?
We should probably be looking for Henry Walker a carpenter who died before 1872. Although Ann married in Belfast her family may not have lived there.
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Have you looked for Henry Walker and Jane Hutchinson after 1847?
It may have been a second marriage for her?
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Annie Walker is listed as aged 25 on her marriage certificate, and as 70 on her death certificate. This would place her year of birth somewhere between roughly 1844 and 1847.
I don't know of any siblings of Annie's either. The first I see of Annie and her husband John in the census is the 1881 census for Scotland (presumably the first time they were living in Scotland after their marriage in 1872). Annie's age is 32 and her estimated birth year 1849. In this and other (later) census entries her place of birth is listed as Ireland. Another of their sons (in addition to their son John Thomson) is Henry Walker Thomson, so the Walker name makes a reappearance.
Had a look for Henry Walker deaths. Would it have said on Annie's marriage certificate if her father was deceased? If it would have said so, he seems to be alive at the date of her marriage (1872); but he is definitely dead by her own death in 1904. There are a few Henry Walkers who would have been old enough to have a child (Annie) in the mid-late 1840s, and dying sometime between 1872 and 1904. For example http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-c&gsfn=Henry&gsln=Walker&msddy=1882&gskw=carpenter&cpxt=1&catBucket=rstp&uidh=yj3&msddp=10&_83004003-n_xcl=f&cp=8&mssng0=Jane&pcat=BMD_DEATH&h=1606850&recoff=4+5&db=FSIrelandCivRegDeath&indiv=1
I haven't looked for Henry Walker and Jane Hutchinson. I had just thought the proximity of Henry Walker and Jane English in the initial post might have been promising (though it wasn't!).
By the way, I am having similar problems on the Thomson side of the family, i.e. Annie's husband's side. Finding the Irish side quite bewildering because of the differences in available records etc.
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Sorry, just realised the above link might not work.
It is:
Ireland, Civil Registration Deaths Index, 1864-1958
Henry Walker, age 50, 1876 Belfast registration district, volume 6 page 217
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An extra piece of info - according to the 1881 Census, John and Annie's first son, John Thomson, was born in Glasgow in 1875, so it seems they came from Ireland to Scotland sometime between their marriage in 1872 and John's birth in 1875.
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I think earlier I misread reference to Henry Walker being deceased on marriage certificate (1872) whereas it was Anne's 1914 death certificate that listed him as dead.
Don't think that's the correct Henry Walker death in 1876- that one was an engine driver with a widow named Margaret.
"Letters of Administration of the personal estate of Henry Walker late of 8 Fleet-street Belfast Engine Driver deceased who died 19 June 1876 at same place were granted at Belfast to Margaret Walker of Belfast the Widow of said deceased."
www.proni.gov.uk
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What was Anne's address on her marriage certificate?
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The marriage certificate only says "Belfast" for residence of both John and Annie, unfortunately.
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Have you tried the Scotlands People site for birth of John in 1875 Glasgow? If he was born in Scotland date and place of parent's marriage should be on certificate as well as names of parents.
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Not sure if you've seen this post http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=cb1imuiku9qj2ap6tao6h90p93&topic=121642.0
Jane's name is English in this too but it could be based on the same information as your own